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Ironman says

How did that Electoral College prediction work out?

It worked out within the margin of error, and 538 was closer than almost anyone else. Their model was darn good.

Rew says

Trump stands for nothing.

People with big ideas and moral high grounds keep drafting horrible legislation that screws up the country. Time for someone with none of that who just wants to make all the broke shit work again. There's no bigger plague upon the land than an intellectual with an axe to grind and power to make his fantasies reality.

Fascism is being prevented by the Deep State. God bless the Deep State then!

They also fed Alex Jones the chili that made him a Trumpette conspiracy nutjob.

Ironman says

The chart was from FRED, the same place you got yours... Are you saying YOUR chart is FAKE news?

No. You know damn well that I was talking about the first chart you posted with the incorrect label written over the top. Have you figured out what is on the y axis of your Fred chart?

Sadly, existing forces seem like they are going to corrupt Trump and make him just like any other globalist president.

Ironman says

Why are these polls always heavily skewed towards Dems, when the true makeup in the country is almost equal now?

Because, of the people that claim to be independent, a majority are actually republicans (republican voters that is - who call themselves independent.

I think we all understand why. Hell, even Patrick and TPB call themselves independents. Nobody wants to associate themselves with todays republican party.

rando says

Sadly, existing forces seem like they are going to corrupt Trump and make him just like any other globalist president.

One thing I really like about Trump is that he is probably the only president in the modern era who probably would be happier if he never was elected. In fact, I believe that in the long run Trump would have personally been better of if he had never run. What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment (Nixon and everyone since).

Quigley says

Time for someone with none of that who just wants to make all the broke shit work again.

Makes sense. Instead of a politician that promises to fix all the broken stuff, we should try a self absorbed con artist who says he'll fix everything. The extra bonus is that Trump doesn't just promise believable doable stuff. He says he's going to undo 3 decades of jobs lost to slave labor in the developing world, and he's going to make America white again. He's going to cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations, while he builds up the military, and he guts environmental regulations and financial regulations.

Best of all, he upsets all the smartee pants assholes that think they're better than me !!

WEEEEeeeeeeeeeee !

Rew says

Pretty much everything coming from Occupy Democrats is a lie. Congrats on your fake news though

Gorsuch isn't a Conservative. He is a full blown Corporatist (Fascist)

And what exactly is he saving us from? This country has operated under pure Republican rule for the past four decades. The only thing you Simpletons hang on the dems is Obamacare, which is the most Republican legislation of all. Which is exactly why I've said all along that there is zero chance of Trump and his Republicans repealing it

PeopleUnited says

What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment

😳

You think Trump didn't run for personal enrichment? Fascinating.

errc says

Gorsuch isn't a Conservative. He is a full blown Corporatist (Fascist)

True.

BayArea says

PeopleUnited says

What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment

😳

You think Trump didn't run for personal enrichment? Fascinating.

I think he ran because he thought it would be easier to fix problems than it actually is. However, I think he ran to fix problems rather than for personal gain.

PeopleUnited says

BayArea says

PeopleUnited says

What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment

😳

You think Trump didn't run for personal enrichment? Fascinating.

I think he ran because he thought it would be easier to fix problems than it actually is. However, I think he ran to fix problems rather than for personal gain.

Thanks for sharing.

I think he ran to promote himself and his businesses. I think he never wanted or expected to get this far. I also think that if he could snap his fingers and be out of this situation as President, he'd do it in an instant and be back to his cushy life.

And most importantly, they ALL run for personal gain first and foremost. It's the degree of that the differentiates them.

Rew says

Typical liberal behavior, where Obama takes credit for others accomplishments. Typical left.

Fort Wayne is just making a joke in response to typical left wing bs.

Per CNN, Reagn created 15.9 million jobs-Obama only 11.3 million. Now note the population difference between then and now and that is a much bigger whopper for reagan-jobs vs population. Clinton exceeded Reagan and Obama exceeded Dubya the shrub.

Lot of other factors, like wage inflation over the last two decades which has been dismal(including Bush terms) globalisation with China etc and unless you live in Middle America which has born the brunt of globalisation-but hey keep making fun of flyover coutnry and their real life dismal problems-Trump it si 2020. not becaus ehe is a genius-because the dems have become cuckoo.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/news/economy/obama-over-11-million-jobs/

BayArea says

I think he ran to promote himself and his businesses. I think he never wanted or expected to get this far. I also think that if he could snap his fingers and be out of this situation as President, he'd do it in an instant and be back to his cushy life.

And most importantly, they ALL run for personal gain first and foremost. It's the degree of that the differentiates them.

@BayArea

I agree. While it is true that Hillary, Barack, Donald, George, Bill et al... all ran for percieved personal gain, Donald is the only one of the bunch who actually has a worse lifestyle now than before he became president. It truly is a sacrifice for him to not just snap his fingers and go back to his old life. Does that make him a better president, no. But it does mean that his motives are likely more towards the sacrificial side of the spectrum than personal gain. The fact that he doesn't resign and go back to his own private jet and private life is evidence that he cares more about doing what is right than he cares about leading a cushy life.

I also agree that even he did not think he would make it this far. It isn't that he underestimated his own popularity, it is that he underestimated the UNPOPULARITY of the rest of the field. Even Obama underestimated the unpopularity of Clinton and essentially handed the election to Trump by endorsing her.

Fort Wayne is just making a joke in response to typical left wing bs meme posters.

Per CNN, Reagn created 15.9 million jobs-Obama only 11.3 million. Now note the population difference between then and now and that is a much bigger whopper for reagan-jobs vs population. Clinton exceeded Reagan and Obama exceeded Dubya the shrub.

Lot of other factors, like wage inflation over the last two decades which has been dismal(including Bush terms) globalisation with China etc and unless you live in Middle America which has born the brunt of globalisation-but hey keep making fun of flyover country and their real life dismal problems-Trump it si 2020. not because he is a genius-because the dems have become cuckoo. How did the dems move away from being the party of the common man to the party of the freaks and the 1%-looks at who the ehdge funds and globalist scum donated to this cycle

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/news/economy/obama-over-11-million-jobs/

Dan8267 says

iPig says

FortWayne says

Typical liberal behavior, where Obama takes credit for others accomplishments. Typical left.

Whose accomplishments exactly and what actions by the congress were responsible in your opinion?

You will never get an answer on this. Fort Wayne's behavioral routine is as follows.

1. Make a baseless assertion.

2. When questioned for evidence of that assertion, run and hide.

3. When shown evidence contradicting that assertion, run and hide.

4. If continued to be challenged either hide or make another baseless assertion.

5. Go to step 1.

A bot could replace Fort Wayne.

More lies, personal attacks and false accusations from Patnets two most accomplished bullshitters. #TTBS = Tag team bullshitters. #MBGA = Making Bullshit Great Again.

CBOEtrader says

Rew says

Pretty much everything coming from Occupy Democrats is a lie. Congrats on your fake news though

When Reagan left office people liked him so much they elected another less likeable Republican to replace him.
When Obama left office people like him so much they elected Trump to replace him.

See the difference democrats?

PeopleUnited says

But it does mean that his motives are likely more towards the sacrificial side of the spectrum than personal gain. The fact that he doesn't resign and go back to his own private jet and private life is evidence that he cares more about doing what is right than he cares about leading a cushy life.

Except that he is enriching himself more directly through the Presidency than any other politician in history. He's not even hiding it.

PeopleUnited says

When Reagan left office people liked him so much the elected another less likeable Republican to replace him.

When Obama left office people like him so much they elected Trump to replace him.

See the difference democrats?

People are dumber now than at any point in history?

joeyjojojunior says

PeopleUnited says

When Reagan left office people liked him so much the elected another less likeable Republican to replace him.


When Obama left office people like him so much they elected Trump to replace him.

See the difference democrats?

People are dumber now than at any point in history?

Democrats are dumber now than at any point in history. They blame everyone else for the failure of their own party to serve the American people. They fail the take responsibility for the fact that Clinton/Obama's legacy IS Donald Trump. (at least some republicans are wise enough to know that the mistakes of the Bush years gave us Clinton/Obama). The election of the opposition party is ALWAYS evidence of failure in your own party. OWN IT Democrats!

It's all shit.

Ironman's "logic."

We shouldn't have schools, becasue students sometimes cheat.

We shouldn't have capitalism becasue corruption happens under a capitalist system.

We shouldn't have weapons, becasue weapons are only used to kill.

We shouldn't have countries, becasue wars are usually started by countries, unless it's a civil war, and even then often.

I guess you get where I'm going with this.

The truth is fraud can be watched. Especially as systems of payment are standardized with appropriate precautions taken. Put some engineers and "AI" on the problem and it can be lowered down to a very low level. Probably by having patients fill out some online form describing what they are having done and why. Seems like an easy problem to solve in the digital age. Various red flags can be used to identify doctors that need to be watched more closely, and even that can be done by computers, contacting patients asking them to go online and fill something out, and so on.

Considering the state of the VA, do we really need single payer. Exclude the illegals at least.

Ironman says

U.S. jury on Friday found a Florida eye doctor guilty of defrauding Medicare by as much as $105 million by using false claims, including charging for eye tests of blind patients, according to a federal court document.

Florida ground zero for Medicare and Medicaid fraud

marcus says

Seems like an easy problem to solve in the digital age.

Just like it should be easy to get rid of uunderperforming teachers. Yet it is not

People benefit from status quo and once entrenched is difficult to reform

MMR says

Florida ground zero for Medicare and Medicaid fraud

This has been widely reported for years: "Medicare fraud - estimated now to total about $60 billion a year - has become one of, if not the most profitable, crimes in America." The combination of the fee-for-service model and infinite subsidies has produced huge amounts of waste, fraud, and abuse, and lethal consequences.

Imagine if schoolteachers had to incur close to $1 million in startup costs, plus overhead of $100k/year, but they could make it all back and more by assigning more kids to detention and referring them for ADHD drugs on a fee for service basis. Almost inevitably, you'd see some entrepreneurial teachers putting as many kids as possible in detention and on drugs, while idealistic teachers who try to do right would struggle to make ends meet, might even be driven out of the high cost areas. Similar events have actually happened involving judges in Pennsylvania sentencing kids to juvenile detention in exchange for kickbacks, and Florida is notorious for drugging kids in juvenile detention. In SF and other high cost areas, we see honest doctors driven out, while entrepreneurial doctors cash in.

This.

PeopleUnited says

It isn't that he underestimated his own popularity, it is that he underestimated the UNPOPULARITY of the rest of the field. Even Obama underestimated the unpopularity of Clinton and essentially handed the election to Trump by endorsing her.

How so, MrMrs Junior?
joeyjojojunior says

Except that he is enriching himself more directly through the Presidency than any other politician in history. He's not even hiding it

joeyjojojunior says

PeopleUnited says

But it does mean that his motives are likely more towards the sacrificial side of the spectrum than personal gain. The fact that he doesn't resign and go back to his own private jet and private life is evidence that he cares more about doing what is right than he cares about leading a cushy life.

Except that he is enriching himself more directly through the Presidency than any other politician in history. He's not even hiding it.

I don't think Trump needs any more money, but if you are to indict him, where is the evidence?

BlueSardine says

This.

PeopleUnited says

It isn't that he underestimated his own popularity, it is that he underestimated the UNPOPULARITY of the rest of the field. Even Obama underestimated the unpopularity of Clinton and essentially handed the election to Trump by endorsing her.

So you agree that had Obama endorsed Bernie we would now have just finished the first 100 days of the Sanders administration.

I actually think single payer is a great idea. Bernie Sanders should sponsor everyone's medical care. He has the magic socialist pixie dust to sprinkle over everything to make it free.

Alternatively we could just bring all our troops home, close all our foreign military bases and use the savings to pay for free VA based health care to all Americans.

curious2 says

he combination of the fee-for-service model and infinite subsidies has produced huge amounts of waste, fraud, and abuse, and lethal consequences.

That was the other point: seems like a fee for service problem as much as an inability to quickly root out fraud.

curious2 says

. In SF and other high cost areas, we see honest doctors driven out, while entrepreneurial doctors cash in.

SF quite pricy but I do think a slightly more entrepreneurial approach is good for primary care. Think that current system of waiting 6 wks for appointments and having to take half day off for primary care appointment is an abomination.

Ironman says

A U.S. jury on Friday found a Florida eye doctor guilty of defrauding Medicare by as much as $105 million by using false claims, including charging for eye tests of blind patients, according to a federal court document.

The ophthalmologist, Salomon Melgen, is also part of a separate corruption case in which prosecutors say he bribed U.S. Senator Bob Menendez, a Democrat from New Jersey. (It pays to have friends in high places)

Federal prosecutors in that case say Melgen contributed $700,000 to political committees that helped the senator win re-election in 2012.

The eye doctor was found guilty on 67 counts of federal health care fraud against him, according a verdict sheet filed in U.S. District Court. The Palm Beach Post newspaper reported that Melgen was originally charged with 77 counts, but not all made it to the 12-member jury.

Melgen, 62, was accused of fraudulently taking as much as $105 million from Medicare. Prosecutors say he gave patient...

FOR THE RECORD @Ironman

This incident is an indictment of the current system of government subsidization of people who use private health care organizations for their care. The current system favors large organizations and crooked individuals and limits competition in the healthcare marketplace by putting onerous rules on any doctor or facility that wants to get access to patients on medicare and medicaid. I think if every medicare and medicaid patient instead was enrolled/subsidized to use the VA for health care the fraud waste and abuse would be eliminated all together for people in those programs. The problem with the current system is that a for profit Healthcare industrial complex is sucking at the teat of big governments just like the Military Indrustrial Complex.

iPig says

Nope, I'm not going to address a wall of text. Every single one of your points is invalid.

CBOEtrader says

Its clear you don't want to have an intellectually honest conversation. You willfully misinterpret, then change the topic to semantics based on your misinterpretations. This is called trolling. No one does this to you.

You are indeed a lost soul.

@CBOEtrader you are correct sir. iPig is the biggest troll on this site. Just look at his number of posts, and consider that most of them are exactly what you describe above.

iPig is nominated king of the trolls. All hail the pig.

Ironman says

Ironman says

Prosecutors say he gave patients unneeded tests and treatments from 2008 to 2013

Oops.... so @Marcus, why do you think this scam went on for 5 YEARS before it was caught, since EVERYTHING is computerized??

I don't believe that things are nearly as "computerized" as you may think. IT's fairly early in the evolution of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_health_record

And whether medicare gets expanded or not, I believe they will find solutions to monitoring and catching fraud. The biggest problem would probably be tests that don't really need to be done. For this they can come up with protocols, as I'm sure some countries already have. OR simply lower the profitability of a lot of the tests, down to where they are done for their utility, not for the profit they bring.

Our entire system has far too much profit incentive built in to it. With only one major payer for health services, policies can be implemented to correct this.

MMR says

marcus says

Seems like an easy problem to solve in the digital age.

Just like it should be easy to get rid of uunderperforming teachers. Yet it is not

You're beyond clueless on this subject.

But I get that your intention is to troll, not to show off your ignorance.