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Ironman says

So, it took the Repub majority House a little over 3 months to pass a Obamacare Bill under Trump's leadership (with 20 Repubs voting NO)

I'll give it to them. I didn't think that they had the balls. Part of the reason for the speed is that they knew it wouldn't pass if they waited for people to figure out what was in it.

The first time I heard a Republican say that they wanted to 'save preexisting conditions', I thought it was a mistake. But they keep talking about protecting preexisting conditions instead of protecting people with preexisting conditions. I hope Republicans enjoy the celebration, because it's going to get ugly.

Ironman says

WASHINGTON (CBS/AP) — The House of Representatives passed the latest Republican-revised health care bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Obamacare was failing. Something had to be done.

"Obamacare was failing. Something had to be done."

And the cure will be worse than the disease in this case. But, it will make for some interesting mid-term elections, that's for sure.

She wouldn't have two black eyes if you hadn't had to tell her twice.
Black eyes aren't pre-existing,they heal without a medical record.
It's the broken orbital sockets that are the problem.
STFU! Ragged bitch!

People are getting fucking rich left and right by being booted off the planes! Need to book a flight to somewhere, anywhere. Pronto. Don't want to miss out on this boondoggle.

Watching Nancy Pelosi losing her mind never gets old.

OBAMACARE IS NOTHING BUT A FAILING PILE OF GARBAGE

PS: I love the salt

This stinking pile of crap bill polls at about 20-30%. I've read that any House Republican that won last election by 15 pts or less and voted in favor of this bill is in serious jeopardy in the mid-terms.

Strategist says

Obama meant well when he introduced Obamacare, but it did not work. Our healthcare system is ridiculously expensive, which is why it is difficult to cover everyone. If preexisting conditions have to be accepted by the insurance companies, people will tend to apply only after they get sick, which will raise premiums for the rest.

I hope TrumpCare works better.

Trumpcare addresses none of the issues with healthcare in the US. It's another in a series of giveaways to the rich by Trump.

joeyjojojunior says

I hope TrumpCare works better.

Trumpcare addresses none of the issues with healthcare in the US. It's another in a series of giveaways to the rich by Trump.

How would you have fixed Obamacare?

Ironman says

When it was Obamacare, you were all over it, Now that you've renamed it, it's a "stinking pile of crap".

Got it!!

Why didn't you bitch about the last 6 years??

He he he. Because Obama could do no wrong. He screwed up with the economy. He screwed up with terrorism. He screwed up with Obamacare. But other than his screwups, Obama was perfect.

Strategist says

How would you have fixed Obamacare?

I would study the healthcare systems that work for other countries, learn from them, and copy the best.

Ironman says

When it was Obamacare, you were all over it, Now that you've renamed it, it's a "stinking pile of crap".

Got it!!

Why didn't you bitch about the last 6 years??

You mean now the House voted to repeal and replace with Trumpcare? That doesn't have coverage for pre-existing conditions--one of the only good parts of Obamacare? That's why.

Ironman says

Why didn't Obama and the Dems do that before he signed the Obamacare bill?

I don't know. I guess they didn't consult me.

joeyjojojunior says

Strategist says

How would you have fixed Obamacare?

I would study the healthcare systems that work for other countries, learn from them, and copy the best.

We have studied the health career system of every developed country without a solution.
I think the answer lies with the fucking lawyers, the ambulance chasers, who make it impossible for us to have an efficient health care system.
All we need to do is outsource health care to other countries, and screw the lawyers.

Obamacare is still in full effect.
Republicans have nothing.

Have you Wingnuts read the bill?
Surely you got a copy to see what the TRASH you elected is
doing for your healthcare.

Ironman says

So that's the only piece that matters, pre-existing conditions??

Having tens of millions of people getting fucked over by YYuuggeee deductibles and Yyuuggeee co-pays or having policies canceled that they liked by Obamacare didn't matter and you were OK with that?

And that's going to change now? This bill does nothing to reduce cost of service. It just rations services to poor people.

Now you'll have tens of millions of people getting fucked over by insurance companies refusing to cover essential services and/or refusing to cover them at all.

The only good part is that Trump and Republicans will own this one.

Strategist says

I think the answer lies with the fucking lawyers, the ambulance chasers, who make it impossible for us to have an efficient health care system.

You've been brainwashed by the Koch Bros. Lawsuits and malpractice insurance are a rounding error in the cost of healthcare.

joeyjojojunior says

Strategist says

I think the answer lies with the fucking lawyers, the ambulance chasers, who make it impossible for us to have an efficient health care system.

You've been brainwashed by the Koch Bros. Lawsuits and malpractice insurance are a rounding error in the cost of healthcare.

No Joey, you don't get it. The frivolous lawsuits is what results in "defensive medicine" Doctors will order every unnecessary test and procedure, just to protect themselves.
Our system is fucked up.

joeyjojojunior says

I would study the healthcare systems that work for other countries, learn from them, and copy the best.

I don't think grass is greener on the other side.

Ironman says

I was hoping you would spew that false narrative. Now for FACTS...

...."After the ACA was passed in 2010, the federal government established a temporary high-risk pool for people not being served by the state polls, and it enrolled another 135,000.

In all, estimating generously about 500,000 people would likely need high-risk pool coverage after ObamaCare is repealed.

That’s a far cry from the Obama administration’s claim that 129 million Americans with a pre-existing condition could be denied coverage.” That inflated number exaggerates what medical conditions trigger a coverage denial."

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/309081-the-pre-existing-conditions-myth

See, the "pre-existing conditions myth" was just that, scare tactics by Obama, and you bought the lie:, hook, line and sinker.

Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of an article written by a former Republican Lt. Governor. Her opinion is that fewer than 129MM would be denied, but she has no basis for that opinion. And she is 100% incorrect that pre-existing conditions don't matter in the private sector. They don't matter until you are laid off and are not continuously covered. She paints a rosy picture, but even her rosy picture estimates that $16B is needed for the high risk pool. Trumpcare sets aside $8B. And guess what, you're paying for it.

https://apnews.com/56832ece99244ce585d20e8196f0afec

Annual and lifetime caps are back!!!

FortWayne says

I don't think grass is greener on the other side.

If cost is one of your concerns, then it definitely is. The US spends more per capital on healthcare than any other civilized country. By FAR.

Ironman says

joeyjojojunior says

The US spends more per capital on healthcare than any other civilized country.

You can thank Obama and the Dems for NOT addressing that with their major healthcare reform bill of Obamacare?

Why didn't they address the costs??

How we reduce the cost of healthcare is the million dollar question. Here are are a few suggestions.
1. Revise/ change the liability laws.
2. Offshore our healthcare do other countries.
3. ....I don't know...please comment.

Strategist says

How we reduce the cost of healthcare is the million dollar question

just copy the healthcare system of any of the other developed countries, it will already be a huge imporvement

joeyjojojunior says

FortWayne says

I don't think grass is greener on the other side.

If cost is one of your concerns, then it definitely is. The US spends more per capital on healthcare than any other civilized country. By FAR.

That's because we are a very unhealthy nation. People stuff their faces all day with all kinds of junk food, there are consequences for that. Not to mention people get paid here more than other countries, prices do go up to absorb income.

They sure get touchy about a little sex slavery.

The Schear family of Huntington Beach says they were flying from Hawaii to Los Angeles last week when airline staff asked them to give up a seat occupied by their 2-year-old son and carry him on their laps for the duration of the flight.

The entire airline staff should be arrested for wreckless endangerment of a child. Do you have any idea how dangerous it is to have a two-year-old unbuckled on someone else's lap on an airplane if anything happened to the plane? Would you hold a two-year-old in your lap, unbuckled in a car? Of course not. The toddler would become a projectile in a crash. Imagine how much worse it would be in a crash landing of a plane or even in severe turbulence.

Also, how is the child supposed to breath during a drop in cabin pressure? There is only one oxygen mask per seat. Oh, does Delta not give oxygen to children even if the parents paid for the child's seat?

These assholes at Delta should be arrested for endangering the toddler's life and for threatening to arrest the family for protecting their child's life.

More reason to make overbooking illegal. It's blatant fraud. And the airlines should be forced to pay fines equal to all the revenue collected by overbooking over the past decade.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/05/04/family-booted-from-delta-flight-and-threatened-with-jail-after-refusing-to-give-up-toddlers-seat/?utm_term=.a504e94464db

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Massive lawsuits are the only way to get people to treat each other decently any more.

That baby was sneaking on the plane using someone else's ticket. The parents were probably breaking federal law. They are lucky that tsa didn't shriek eminent domain while giving two finger cavity searches. DVDA for the lawless.

Dan8267 says

Also, how is the child supposed to breath during a drop in cabin pressure? There is only one oxygen mask per seat. Oh, does Delta not give oxygen to children even if the parents paid for the child's seat

Good point, never considered this before.

In terms of the seat belts, you can't keep a toddler in that seat anyway, believe me. Those lap belts are effective for turbulence but not effective for crashes (unlike cars)

"Tatty, knowledge is your friend, here's what this bill does to reduce costs to the public"

It's exactly like I said. It does NOTHING to reduce the cost of service. It shifts cost from the wealthy to the poor, but doesn't do anything to make health care cheaper.

"That's because we are a very unhealthy nation. People stuff their faces all day with all kinds of junk food, there are consequences for that. Not to mention people get paid here more than other countries, prices do go up to absorb income."

I'd be interested to see what % of the US healthcare costs can be attributed to obesity.

But, your 2nd argument is a HUGE reason why healthcare should be controlled by the government. The free market does a horrible job in markets with very inelastic demand like healthcare. Profit maximizing companies will always raise prices to ridiculous levels--because they can.

BayArea says

Good point, never considered this before.

This is one of the reasons why airlines, including Delta, tell parents to purchase a seat for toddlers rather than putting them in their laps.

Dan8267 says

This is one of the reasons why airlines, including Delta, tell parents to purchase a seat for toddlers rather than putting them in their laps.

The ticket wasn't in his name.