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Straw Man says

It's like Dan proposing confiscation of assets from the polluters and than balking at the suggestion that his gas-guzzling jalopy should be on the list.

And that's actually happened today! Of course he will claim that he somehow won that argument.

Tim Aurora says

The US stature is now reduced and we are more isolated than ever.

Hahahahahaha. If this Accord is so ultra special important, why did Macron the GILF Hunter proclaim it was not renegotiable?

Are the Eurocucks so clueless to think this is gonna hurt Trump domestically, and he'd come back on his hands and knees.

Truth is Germany and France are old toothless tigers who think they are the Lion King.

Straw Man says

As long as it doesn't bring my standard of living down I'm all for it.

Are you willing to greatly reduce the standard of living of your grandchildren to slightly increase your own standard of living?

Quigley says

Straw Man says

It's like Dan proposing confiscation of assets from the polluters and than balking at the suggestion that his gas-guzzling jalopy should be on the list.

And that's actually happened today! Of course he will claim that he somehow won that argument.

I'm pretty fucking sure I use significantly less gas than either of you two.

Of course, none of your nonsense is relevant to the fact that we should have a carbon tax and a methane tax and ban coal.

Tim Aurora says

Another point is that this does not buy USA anything except loss of stature

* The agreement was non binding

* US would have been able to achieve most of the goals regardless

* Coal jobs are gone because of abundance of natural gas. No point saving dead technologies

And the States like California are going it alone. The only thing Trump really achieved was to make us look silly.

If it was so pointless, there was no point to sign it.

Tim Aurora says

Another point is that this does not buy USA anything except loss of stature

* The agreement was non binding

* US would have been able to achieve most of the goals regardless

* Coal jobs are gone because of abundance of natural gas. No point saving dead technologies

FortWayne says

If it was so pointless, there was no point to sign it.

Exactly. They need to get their story straight. Was the Paris accord vital to save the world, or was it just a big nothing burger?

America will now be free to continue and increase our natural gas extraction and those exports will help India and China reduce their carbon emissions by using our cleaner gas instead of dirtier North Korean and Chinese coal.

Strategist says

And the States like California are going it alone. The only thing Trump really achieved was to make us look silly.

Gawd. The Democrat morons who have super majorities in my State just passed a Single Payer law too. No clue how to fund it.......the costs are 2X the entire State budget. The same morons that can't run government pensions without bankrupting the state can run the entire State's healthcare? And now California is going to go it alone on Paris?

Talk about looking silly!

socal2 says

Gawd. The Democrat morons who have super majorities in my State just passed a Single Payer law too. No clue how to fund it.......the costs are 2X the entire State budget. The same morons that can't run government pensions without bankrupting the state can run the entire State's healthcare? And now California is going to go it alone on Paris?

The California Democrats really screw up when it comes to pensions and budgets. They think money grows on trees.
Even those who screw up can be right on a few things, and they are right when it comes to pollution caused by fossil fuels. Trump trying to create coal mining jobs is downright stupid. It's a dying industry. Trump may as well try bringing back jobs to Kodak.

Strategist says

socal2 says

Gawd. The Democrat morons who have super majorities in my State just passed a Single Payer law too. No clue how to fund it.......the costs are 2X the entire State budget. The same morons that can't run government pensions without bankrupting the state can run the entire State's healthcare? And now California is going to go it alone on Paris?

The California Democrats really screw up when it comes to pensions and budgets. They think money grows on trees.

Even those who screw up can be right on a few things, and they are right when it comes to pollution caused by fossil fuels. Trump trying to create coal mining jobs is downright stupid. It's a dying industry. Trump may as well try bringing back jobs to Kodak.

You don't think film will be cool again if we label it "hipster"?

Booger says

I think China and India should have stricter emissions standards to make up for having so many people farting.

Hey MOCO, just dosing Rosie O'Donnell and Michael Moore with Beano should have quite an impact.

Of course, that's just common sense. Also, remember, three and a half billion deaths will solve the global warming issue. The man is a genius.

It's not that bad. They'll all be offered a chance to suck the Plenipotentiary's dick and walk around outside the White House fence twenty circuits with their faces covered in his come while chanting "Thank you, merciful Trumpligula!", after which, their sentences will be stayed.

They just got a welcome to the system, the legal system, where bloodthirsty prosecutors throw every charge possible at you as an opening move, hoping to cow you into a hasty plea deal which will give them another win.
Now they'll have to navigate this system, and either capitulate and plea or resist and ask for a trial where the state will have to actually prove the charges. Either way it won't be pleasant, but I doubt any of them will get more than a year.

Next time maybe they shouldn't participate in an anarchist riot! People are sick and fucking tired of that bullshit. Free speech and assembly, not to burn this motha down!

I doubt this agreement was a nothing burger, it simply had little or nothing to do with climate change. My guess would be it had more to do with losing National Sovereignty, yet that's only a guess because really no average American has actually seen what it says....nor anyone in Congress because they were never allowed, even though it is considered a treaty. Which means Congress (the peoples representatives) had been bypassed. That should be the outrage.

Typical political sleight of hand....Of course parents should have an advantage from experience: "I bet you a candy bar, you can't pick up all those Legos and put them into the pail in 1 trip." It's like magic.

Can someone fill me in on what the main arguments are to leave the Paris Accord?

I'm certain there are some good ones

Can anyone actually spell out the terms of the Paris agreement? Any quotes from the treaty itself? No? Oh that's right, it's secret and Congress has never voted to ratify it (and never will). So it was a dead agreement without teeth even before Trump officially dropped it. The USA is leading the world in green energy. We need to keep that up, keep innovating, and then spread the results of our innovation to the world as it becomes in the world's best economic interests to also adopt these new green technologies. There's absolutely zero reason to enter into a lopsided treaty which costs us a lot and actually hampers our growth and innovation while adding a very regressive tax to further oppress the poor and middle classes.

BayArea says

Can someone fill me in on what the main arguments are to leave the Paris Accord?

I'm certain there are some good ones

Sure.......
115. Resolves to enhance the provision of urgent and adequate finance, technology and capacity-building support by developed country Parties in order to enhance the level of ambition of pre-2020 action by Parties, and in this regard strongly urges developed country Parties to scale up their level of financial support, with a concrete roadmap to achieve the goal of jointly providing USD 100 billion annually by 2020 for mitigation and adaptation while significantly increasing adaptation finance from current levels and to further provide appropriate technology and capacity-building support;

Nowhere in the text are designations of National committed contributions. I'm certain they've been defined, however it's not stated clearly. If I'm agreeing to pony up $100 billion annually or any portion thereof, I'd like to know that.

Also, the entire agreement is to be conducted under the auspices of the U.N., who I have major sovereign issues with.

As well, although I have no issues with women's rights and empowerment, I'm not clear as to why this is a defined objective for climate control?

......migrants, children, persons with disabilities and people in vulnerable situations and the right to development, as well as gender equality, empowerment of women and intergenerational equity, Also acknowledging the specific needs and concerns of developing country Parties arising from the impact of the implementation of response measures and, in this regard, decisions 5/CP.7, 1/CP.10, 1/CP.16 and 8/CP.17,

Additionally, collated into the accord, is the Kyoto agreement which was incredibly unfair to the U.S.

Those are just a few issues I have...has anyone read the agreement?

Every US company that moves their operations to China shifts their emissions to a country that does not regulate pollution. They damage our economy when they move to China, then we're supposed to foot the bill again when they pollute freely in another country??

Booger says

Every US company that moves their operations to China shifts their emissions to a country that does not regulate pollution. They damage our economy when they move to China, then we're supposed to foot the bill again when they pollute freely in another country??

Booger, you make too much sense and that doesn't sit well with a lot of the PATNET forum members. They would rather act panicked, wring their hands and pull at their hair than listen to reason.

Many people between 20 and 65 years seem to live for the one and only purpose of earning as much money as possible in order to be able to buy as many things as possible. In this light, it is not surprising that discussions about potential solutions to fight global warming concentrate on technical measures instead of a fundamental change of our attitude to life in general and to Nature in particular.

Someone who respects Nature and regards mankind as a part of a larger whole would never dream about using up non-renewable resources in a short time nor would this person contaminate the environment with gigantic amounts of pollution. By contrary, someone who respects Nature and regards mankind as a part of a larger whole would in all decisions carefully evaluate any effects on Nature. The preservation of Nature would be given a very high priority.

It is in our very own interest to induce fundamental changes in our attitude and behavior towards Nature: Modesty and humility, admiration and respect for all life on Earth instead of arrogance and haughtiness.

Let's emphasize it again: Not the others need to change, we must change ourselves. There are no international treaties or additional national laws required to start changing. We can start to change our consciousness immediately. It is really only about our personal behaviour - independent of what others do or don't do.

Those are nice words Komputado, but they reflect a serious lack of understanding about how the civilization we know is made possible. First of all, your food isn't grown locally for the most part. To achieve the scale of farming that's most efficient for the growing of enough crops to feed 350 million people, we need large combines and farming equipment, plus large trucks to haul food, fertilizer, pump water, and so many other things. If we went back "close to nature" on a large scale, half the country would starve, and probably the initiation of such affairs would cause a chain reaction where civilization itself was destroyed. Anarchy after all, is only as far off as it takes a city to eat its available food.

joeyjojojunior says

It does? So, if Gore lives in a smaller home, then global warming will be reversed?

Leadership and Commitment, since I believe the Utility Bill on his mansion is the same as 20 ordinary (non-Green) SFH homes. Ironically at least partially paid by Inconvenient Truth sales and Green Speechifying. It's like somebody who demands we all go Vegetarian, who eats MORE meat than the typical American.

Same with Elon Musk-rat. 490 Gallons an hour. Maybe he should take AMTRAK or appear Remotely via Skype. His interest in this is all the Green Subsidies he'd get for Tesla, even though Rare Earths, necessary for EV batteries, are unbelievably polluting and almost all of it is mined and refined in China.

Tim Aurora says

Because renegotiating a "signed" negotiated document without good reason is stupid and will just create chaos. I do business and never renegotiate a signed contract. Bad for business and then there is no end to it. Waste of time

It's not a contract. It's bad for American business and subsidizes the Developing World without any obligations to commit to less CO2.

Look at what the German Auto industry is saying.

This thing was a trap.

It's common for businesses TO renegotiate if they really want a contract to stay in effect.

Imagine that. And the US Chamber of Commerce approves, because it will incentive more offshoring to places that have no CO2 reduction requirements, like India and China.

It's wealth redistribution, and ultimate bag holder is working class Americans. Upper class Americans will profit off the labor arb from outsourcing while fawning over themselves in a lugubrious sense of self-virtue.

Heck,that analysis fits patnetters. rofl

Without malignant narcissists, we would have to re-elect two thirds of Congress and the Senate.

Here is a list of Obama's impressive accomplishments:

1. First President to be photographed smoking a joint.

2. First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

3. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

4. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States .

5. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

6. First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

7 First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

8. First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

9. First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

10. First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

11. First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

12. First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

13. First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

14. First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

15. First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

16. First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

17. First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

18. First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

19. First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

20. First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

21. First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

22. First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

23. First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

24. First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

25. First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

26. First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

I hate this kind of fake news. It is well known that Melanoma will sleep with ANY member of the male staff at Trump Tower, although she favors forged and genuine green card holders. A true egalitarian.

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Just to clarify, that would be 'shitgibbon' in English?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

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