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Quigley says

Yah he's far from innocent. Still, crime should be proven with evidence instead of hearsay.

True, but the rich are better able to buy their innocence. That is not fair nor is it true justice.

Cosby gave her the pills and she consumed them knowingly. What is the rape scenario?? Now if he slipped something without her knowledge-absolutely-but I don't understand this whole Cosby thing. They all agreed and knew what they were doing-so what si the case? What is enxt, he gave me a drink and I drank it and so he raped me? Or he took me to dinenr and knew put out when I get a good meal-so rape??

sitting at the march low right now...who is buying more? :)

Strategist says

I believe Cosby is guilty, and should spend the rest of his miserable years in a cell.

He'll spend the rest of his years in hell of trials and re-trials. Will probably croak from stress-induced heart attack or stroke.

It is kind of tempting to buy more.

I don't know if this is morally wrong but whenever I see some unattractive, usually morbidly obese woman cry out about being raped, I always read that with a tinge of doubt.

I was watching on TV, so may not be the exact facts. But it appears the rape accuser claimed it was January of some year for the rape. Then they had telephone records of her calling Cosby 72 times after the alleged rape. When confronted with those-she conveniently changes the date of rape to after the phone conversations-this was back then and why she was not charged. She then got a nice financial settlement out of him.

I can't believe this went to trial and I can't believe this is a hung jury-it should be not guilty within the 1st hour.

Dan8267 says

This is Strategist's fundamental character flaw and his Achilles's heel. He forms rigid opinions based on superficial, incomplete, and often downright wrong information. Once he forms such an opinion, no evidence to the contrary will sway him. This is exactly why Strategist would be the absolute worse person to serve on any jury.

In the eyes of the law Cosby is innocent until proven guilty. In my eyes he is as guilty as hell. It's called an "Opinion"
Why you women haters have a problem with that is perplexing.

Strategist says

Why you women haters have a problem with that is perplexing.

Not wanting innocent men wrongly convicted of rape is "hating women"? You sound like a social justice warrior.

Again, I don't know if Cosby is guilty or not. I haven't followed the trial as I have real stuff to do in life. However, I am for the principle of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and reasonable doubt is defined as "Would you accept serving the sentence given to the defendant if you voted guilty and were later proved wrong?". Unless the answer to this question is yes, then by definition, you have reasonable doubt. Now perhaps that bar is higher the more severe the sentencing is, but I'm OK with that as it makes perfect sense. You have to be a lot more sure of a capital crime than you do about jaywalking.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

In the eyes of the law Cosby is innocent until proven guilty. In my eyes he is as guilty as hell. It's called an "Opinion"

Actually, the law is that the verdict of the jury, whether right or wrong, whether based on evidence or pure bias, determines legal guilt even if an innocent person is found guilty. So, yes, opinions matter as they effect this verdict.

However, what I am calling "my opinion" is not an opinion at all. An opinion is a subjective judgement, for example, vanilla ice cream tastes better than chocolate. Opinions are neither right nor wrong. Whether or not Zimmerman murdered Trayvon is a matter of fact, not opinion. Either he did or he did not, and my subjective judgements have no effect on that reality. It is as wrong to say "in my opinion, Zimmerman is guilty" as it is to say "in my opinion, a god exists" or "in my opinion, you have cancer". Yes, even doctors are wrong when they say such things, but they are doing so to cover their asses from civil suits as juries don't generally convict people for giving "opinions".

When I say that I believe Zimmerman is guilty, I am making a conjecture, not an opinion. My conjecture is either right or wrong, and if I were on the jury, that conjecture would be damn important, so it sure as hell should be based on objective, verifiable evidence rather than my opinions or gut feelings.

I am not on the jury, but I am a part of the public opinion jury, and so my condemnation also carries some weight. Thus challenge for me to justify my conjecture is very reasonable. I have not answered his challenge. To do so, I need to cite specific evidence to justify the conjecture.

Like.

Straw Man says

Fascinating read.

Falsely quoting someone is a sign of a weak position.

As for Zimmerman, I am sure beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot Martin to death. There's plenty of evidence.
1. Martin's dead body.
2. The bullet in Martin's dead body.
3. The forensic evidence proving the bullet was shot from Zimmerman's gun.
4. Zimmerman's fingerprints on the Zimmerman's gun.
5. Zimmerman stating that he shot Martin.
6. The forensic evidence showing that Martin died from the shot and not from anything else like being struck by lighting.

There's also plenty of evidence that Martin did not consent to being killed.
1. Martin tried to avoid Zimmerman.
2. Martin's own words on the phone call to his girlfriend about being stalked by someone.
3. Martin fleeing from Zimmerman.
4. And when that failed, Martin fighting for his life.

So I'm pretty damn sure that Zimmerman murdered Martin based on the above evidence. I'd have no problem convicting him in a jury.

The only people who wanted Zimmerman to face no consequences are those who like the idea of killing black boys and men. The pro-Zimmerman side is completely based on racism. If the skin tones were reversed, I'd still convict Zimmerman for the exact same reasons.

Ouch! Mass exodus ...

By the way, reasonable doubt does not mean that you never convict people of crimes. It means you base those convictions on rational, verifiable evidence rather than what your animal instinct tells you.

Is the whole sector down today or just ARLP?

Dan8267 says

Falsely quoting someone is a sign of a weak position.

Butthurt detected.

If it wasn't for the fact that it broke 21 / 20.25 March low - I'd buy more

BlueSardine says

god damn...he sure ain't lying about that being blind shit...

What's wrong with that chicks hair?

Straw Man says

Butthurt detected.

So calling out a troll on his lie is your definition of butthurt? Sounds to me like I caused you butthurt by showing how stupid your post was and easily dismantling it.

Also, by the way, everything I stated about the Cosby case does also apply to the Zimmerman case. I did not make a determinate of guilt or innocence in the statement but simply stated that the decisions of juries should not be based on easily manipulated emotions but rather on evidence and what is known about the case. The fact that you object to this reflects on your character.

However, the evidence against Zimmerman was absolutely conclusive and completely different from the evidence against Cosby. From the article in the original post

Prosecutors called 12 witnesses over a week of testimony, including Constand, but presented almost no forensic evidence.

So implying that the Cosby case and the Zimmerman case are almost identical and that the guilt of one implies the guilt of the other is outright bullshit.

#lawyered

jvolstad says

What's wrong with that chicks hair?

No, actually it's...

jvolstad says

What's wrong with that chicks hair?

No, actually it's...

jvolstad says

What's wrong with that chicks hair?

No, actually it's...

yeah - this selloff is hard to understand.

Straw Man says

I'll help you to make it disappear.

What are you going to do? Ask it out on a date?

I'm no expert and don't have access to the bid/ask stack at the close but it looks like a seller came in at 3:50 with say 50,000 shares and the market maker took the bid under $20, which triggered standing stop-losses into the close.

I can't day-trade anymore so just got stopped-loss out of my AAPL -- l bought at $110 sold at $143; I've made worse trades.

The BAC-L has been a fucking monster since I bought a month ago:

Gotta like getting 6% yield on a blue-chip like BAC. The main downside is I guess the appreciation is capped at $1300, since that's what these preferred shares will liquidate into (20 shares of common at ~$65 each).

the upside is that as long as the common stays above $0 and under $65, it's a bond basically. Back Jan-Feb 2009 BAC-L was trading at $300 . . .

OUCH! -10.34% today.

Buy more or run for the hills?

I've owned for nearly a year and back where I started as of today.

just_passing_through says

I've been looking at it off and on every since you mentioned it....

I looked too, but coal has a number of problems. "Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." I prefer not to invest in companies whose profits depend so heavily on abusing workers and the environment. Even setting aside the question of climate change, look at the rivers poisoned with coal ash and acid rain. Big institutions divesting might make coal stocks comparatively cheap based on dividend yield, but natural gas, solar, and wind are encroaching on the core utility markets for coal. It's like investing in a tobacco index: everybody wants their investments to go up, but do you really want to put yourself in a position where you hope more people smoke, just to boost your investment?

Let's see if the prosecution wants to waste more money and time on another trial.
They stacked the jury with white people and still couldn't get a conviction. It doesn't look good for anything other than a repeat. But the butthurt and politics are strong with this case. They'll probably retry it.

Whether he's guilty or not, these women waited too long to come after him. It's not like they were under age and had fear of prosecuting an adult, they were adults themselves. Unless you have cold, hard evidence, it's too late.

To brush up on my knowledge of hung juries, I watched this movie:

"Lovely Jello jigglers," smirked the defendant.

You does what you does to get your pudding!

If you had stuck to your typical "You little shit" no one would have noticed and all this could have been avoided...

censorship directed at me, oh no only the left can censor and kick people out-who dare calls me out.

Dan8267 says

The real answer is deep learning and A.I.s that act as moderators.

Or you cna work on yourself. I don't have anyone on ignore or never hit the ad hominem button. if I feel like responding, I will. if not I move on- if soemone bugs me on an anonymous internet forum-oh well-they ain't family-watch TV instead!

lostand confused says

That is your definition.To others it may be the reverse. You of all people should not be talking about nuances.

wtf. You don't get to make your own defintion. You've been listening to Kellyanne a bit too much--there is no such thing as alternate facts. There is right and wrong.

lostand confused says

Dan8267 says

The real answer is deep learning and A.I.s that act as moderators.

Or you cna work on yourself.

You could be a perfect human being. Trolls will still ruin your conversations with others if allowed. The defects of trolls do not reflect defects of their victims.

lostand confused says

if not I move on-

You can, of course, ignore the spread of misinformation. The price of choosing to ignore rather than discredit misinformation is that about once a century you get a Hitler that murders millions of people after rising to power on the popular tide of misinformed people. This is why misinformation is bad and it affects you even if you don't read it or participate in the political discussions. It's not a good thing for the general public to be misinformed.

That depends on when you get back from Vladivostok. ..
Dan8267 says

A black man lynched after being falsely accused of raping a white woman? Could that even happen in America?

No one speak to me,I will be offended.

Drug dealer! lol