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Vox is socialist propaganda site, they spin everything anti America

Drug Abuse and Anchor Babies whose mothers had no prenatal care, and illegals who saw no doctor until they landed in the ER to give birth.

"Most wealthier nations" do not have regular influx of very poor folks from the 3rd world. Well, they didn't until last couple of years. It would be interesting to see the numbers for 2015-2017.

Yes, but our infant and maternal mortality for squatting babies in a mud ditch by the side of the road are the much better than anywhere else.

If anything, it's mens' health that is ignored--you hear nothing but womens' health.

Because we drive white hetero experienced and capable professionals and import this fuckstick.
Because Racists!

Indiana Jones says

“The argument we make internationally is that [a high maternal death rate] is often a reflection of how the society views women,” he says. “In other countries, we worry about the culture — women are not particularly valued, so they don’t set up systems to care for them at all. I think we have a similar problem in the US.”

I'm sorry, but this is complete and utter bullshit. In every single age group, health care spending is significantly higher for women than it is for men as reported by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Our society values female life far more than it does male life. Men get less healthcare and they die younger, and everyone is OK with that. Our society only tries to keep men alive until they reach retirement age or become unable to work. Unemployed men, especially the homeless, are the lowest rung of life in our society because they aren't useful. Unemployed women are still considered precious.

This is why almost two thirds of welfare benefits go to women even though the vast majority of the homeless are men. 77% to 90% in the U.S*, 71% in the U.K., and 74% in Ireland. Despite admitting these statistics reporters still argue that homeless men aren't as important.

Apparently, there are men who feel that no one cares about the plight of men. Sure, when we speak of domestic violence, we generally think of women as victims. But even though we may focus a little more on women, does that make the problem of homelessness worse for men?

On the other hand, maybe it’s appropriate to focus on homeless women.

Yes, you read that right. Homelessness overwhelmingly affects men, but we should focus on women because magic vagina.

Oh, and that asterisk above is because you can't find an out-right statistic on the percentage of the adult homeless that are men. Given our geocentric society, that can only mean that the percentage is overwhelmingly male. Statistical breakdowns for women into more refined categories are in contrast easy to find.

The bottom line is that women get more aid and funding in every aspect of life then men, so it is ridiculous to say that America, or even western society, undervalues female life. It undervalues male life.

Liberal spin on selling warren/Hillary as candidates continues

And as usual it's a bs message

It's very interesting to observe that although the article, which if read, is clearly about women's healthcare and specifically maternal care in America vs. other first world nations, yet the discussion gets twisted into a female vs. male argument. No where in the article does it talk about men's healthcare, because the article is specifically about women's healthcare. Which if you haven't noticed, is different than men's. Babies come out of women's bodies, and there is some "extra" care needed around that facet, or more women start to die in pregnancy and childbirth.

Do you begrudge the women their needed care for bearing babies? Aren't you grateful your own mother got the medical care she needed while birthing you?

Indiana Jones says

It's very interesting to observe that although the article, which if read, is clearly about women's healthcare and specifically maternal care in America vs. other first world nations, yet the discussion gets twisted into a female vs. male argument.

That's not what happened. In your original post you quoted a section of the article that said,

In other countries, we worry about the culture — women are not particularly valued, so they don’t set up systems to care for them at all. I think we have a similar problem in the US.

I responded to that incorrect statement with a factual refutation. That's not spin. That's debunking a lie.

Indiana Jones says

Do you begrudge the women their needed care for bearing babies?

No. I oppose people spreading the lie that women's lives aren't valued as much as men when the exact opposite is reality.

As shown in the facts I cited, women get far more health care than men at every single age group, including after menopause. Not only do we give ample resources for child birth, but we continue to give women far more medical care funds even when childbirth is not a factor. If women died at a younger age then men, the media would say that proves we need to spend a larger portion of the available funds on women. So why isn't the other way around when men die at a younger age than women? Clearly our society does not value men nearly as much as women. That's the truth, so it's right to debunk any lie saying the opposite. The truth matters. Honesty matters.

"... a key driver of America’s maternal mortality problem is that America doesn’t value women.

This is bullshit. America, for the most part gives extra special treatment to "the fairer sex", and specifically to pregnant women. One example is the 40 year old Federal program targeting Women for special provisions and assistance. The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) provides Federal grants to States for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children up to age five who are found to be at nutritional risk). So for 40 years federal funds have sought to specifically promote women's health. America values women.

Women do face increased health risks associated with pregnancy and childbirth. There is no amount of medical intervention that can completely remove the risk of complications. And it is important to understand those risks in order to begin to mitigate them. For example, there are 700-900 pregnancy and childbirth related deaths per year in the United States. It is hardly an epidemic, though clearly the belief is that with our technology many of these deaths are potentially avoidable. In analyzing cause of death in the United States, medical error is among the top killers. In fact only heart disease and cancer kill more people than medical error. Based on an analysis of prior research, a Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

With live birth by far the most common reason for hospital admissions, there is ample opportunity for error at this critical time in the lives of women. Around 1/10 hospital admissions is for live birth. http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb162.jsp

A very small number of women die following abortion, another pregnancy related risk/opportunity for medical error. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271

And error can occur even prior to admission when clinic visits fail to adequately assess for and diagnose normal pregnancy related complications and/or leading comorbidities such as obesity, diabetes and hypertension, all of which are more common in the United States than in many other affluent nations. If only 3.6% of the whopping 250,000 annual deaths due to medical errors occur in pregnant women that would account for the entire total of pregnancy/delivery related mortality.

It would seem that your smoking gun here is medical error Indy, not discrimination.

America values women, anyone who says otherwise would be ignorant of the facts.

In fact, America loves women! Despite all the half truths about the poor standing of women in American values portrayed by media and academia, women control the lions' share of consumer spending in America. Money talks, and in America, women are doing the talking.

https://hbr.org/2009/09/the-female-economy

Dan8267 says

Breast Cancer gets FAR more public and private funding than prostate cancer

Mortality rates may be similar between prostate and breast cancers, but breast cancer is a more invasive and faster-killing cancer, in both women and men.

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2i0ei0/eli5_why_does_breast_cancer_awareness_receive/#bottom-comments

"It has a lot to do with the relative survival rates of each cancer. It's true that many men will develop prostate cancer, but for most it will occur in later stages of life (as /u/wsmith27 said). The relative survival rate for prostate cancer as stated by the American Cancer Society is as follows:

5 years: almost 100%

10 years: 99%

15 years: 94%

(note: these are averages incorporating each stage that the cancer can be detected)

This means that on average, 94% of men are still alive 15 years after their prostate cancer is discovered. Breast cancer is far more deadly. The rate changes dramatically in the first five years alone. Once again, according to the American Cancer Society the survival rate for the first five years of breast cancer depending on the stage it is discovered is:

stage 0-1: 100%

stage 2: 93%

stage 3: 72%

stage 4: 22%

As you can see, prostate cancer is very unlikely to be fatal even within the first fifteen years. Since most men are at an advanced age when they develop the cancer, they usually die of other causes long before the cancer becomes a problem. By contrast, breast cancer surivival rates can drop below 50% within the first five years. These numbers are based on women treated several years ago, and the rates are improving with better detection and treatment. Nonetheless, the difference in survival rates between the two cancers is dramatic, and also probably the reason that breast cancer receives so much more awareness than prostate cancer.

Even if you have prostate cancer you're far more likely to die of other causes before it becomes a problem, whereas breast cancer is likely to result in death within the first five years after detection, depending on the stage."

"too often" because of obesity.

Wow what a load of bullshit lol

Wow, step away for a day and the natives will turn on ya.

I was quoting, hence the quotations. I recommend everyone read the other comments in the linked thread to understand medically why breast cancer has more funding than prostate. Some in the medical field are advocating less funding into prostate cancer as many men develop it when older, and eventually die from other causes.

The fact that breast cancer funding is higher than prostate cancer is not about female to male inequality. It's about saving human lives since breast cancer is more likely to kill a person more quickly, male or female.

On the other hand, the fact that the maternal death rate is increasing in America, in opposition to other first world country's decrease of maternal deaths, shows that women here are not getting adequate care through the child bearing process. What other conclusion is there? The article says they factored in obesity issues.

The study refers to Medicaid, which is free healthcare for the poor who don't pay a dime. Why do they deserve top-notch, free pregnancy care for choosing to have a baby that they obviously can't afford? People on Medicaid should not be having children. That's their fault for making that choice, not the taxpayers'.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/24-states-50-babies-born-medicaid

" In 24 of the nation’s 50 states at least half of the babies born during the latest year on record had their births paid for by Medicaid, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation."

just any guy says

The study refers to Medicaid, which is free healthcare for the poor who don't pay a dime. Why do they deserve top-notch, free pregnancy care for choosing to have a baby that they obviously can't afford? People on Medicaid should not be having children. That's their fault for making that choice, not the taxpayers'.

So, maybe we should defund planned parenthood so that more people have less access to contraceptives and abortion? Just for a year, though.

PeopleUnited says

In analyzing cause of death in the United States, medical error is among the top killers. In fact only heart disease and cancer kill more people than medical error. Based on an analysis of prior research, a Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

With live birth by far the most common reason for hospital admissions, there is ample opportunity for error at this critical time in the lives of women.

This. Notice the OP chart is basically the Republican "tort reform" period. Texas enacted "tort reform" in 2003, exacerbating entrepreneurial over-utilization, including injurious tests and procedures. The incentives are all one way: get paid more for doing "more," with less accountability. California Democrats enacted "tort reform" in the 1970s, but it took a long time for other states to follow. Hospitals get "eye-popping" revenue increases for complications.

BTW, Obamneycare enlarges the subsidies for over-utilization, and encourages "tort reform".

Indiana Jones says

Mortality rates may be similar between prostate and breast cancers

and the primary risk factor is also the same: age. On average, women outlive men. But, younger women are now getting irradiated "free" even if they have no risk factors. That kills more people than it saves. Around 60yo-70yo, mammography does increase life expectancy, but young women rushing to be "one in 1,900" are more likely to become martyrs to the cause.

Indiana Jones says

So, maybe we should defund planned parenthood so that more people have less access to contraceptives and abortion? Just for a year, though.

I'm all for pushing contraception. Poor people need to be sterilized.

Indiana Jones says

Even if you have prostate cancer you're far more likely to die of other causes before it becomes a problem, whereas breast cancer is likely to result in death within the first five years after detection, depending on the stage."

Despite that, the overall number of deaths from prostate cancer are very close to Number of breast cancer deaths and funding for prostate cancer research is nowhere near breast cancer

I understand that one of the leading causes of death in pregnancy is murder.
If you look at that from a purely regulatory stance, perhaps men are being incentivized to kill pregnant women? Obviously it's still rare, but so is death in pregnancy, so I wonder how much this skews the odds compared to other countries?

Indiana Jones says

What other conclusion is there?

Drugs, health, and poor decisions from the mother including but not limited to being too lazy to use the free pre-natal care available to poor people.

The other cherry-picked countries you compared the US to do not have broken, drug-riddled, welfare plantations like our black community in the US. The problem isnt our medical system, its in the culture of the black community.

This is the exact same story in the murder rate in the US as compared to these exact same cherry-picked countries. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1595019/

"the overall pregnancy-related mortality ratio was 25.1 deaths per 100,000 for black women, 10.3 for Hispanic women, and 6.0 for non-Hispanic white women". So... white women in the US have EXACTLY the same maternal death rate as the cherry-picked countries.

WHY?

"The Center for Disease Control (1999), though, points to the fact that 50% of pregnancies are unplanned. These pregnancies are associated with increased mortality for the mother and infant. “Lifestyle factors (e.g., smoking, drinking alcohol, unsafe sex practices, and poor nutrition) and inadequate intake of foods containing folic acid pose serious health hazards to the mother and fetus and are more common among women with unintended pregnancies” (Center for Disease Control, 1999, p. 849). In addition, the CDC estimates that half of the women that experience an unintended pregnancy do not seek prenatal care during the first trimester."

So, married women who are planning a family do fine. Hood rats who take drugs, eat garbage food, contract std's, and fail to see doctor after becoming pregnant result in higher maternal death rates.

This is a story of poor decisions within our broken black community. The appropriate question to ask: why is our black community broken and how can we help?