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Russians did it

Wow, when you overlay the map, it appears that the America that Hilary Clinton won in the 2016 election fits almost perfectly with the high crime area map from 2014. Maybe the Russians did us a favor? :)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html

https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/

That's because the murder rate of an area is very strongly correlated with the black population of that area.

High density of blacks = high murder rate. We can argue about the cause of this relationship, but it is nonetheless a fact that blacks commit murder at least 10 times the rate whites do.

And yes, most black people are not going to kill you, but if you know someone's race, you do know a non-trivial fact about your risk of being murdered by them.

This also explains the voting for Hillary matching the murder rate. Blacks were much more likely to vote for Hillary.

PeopleUnited says

Is it that there is not enough diversity in those areas?

Probably too much--diversity by it's very nature is divisive, emphasizes differences rather than commonalities.

PeopleUnited says

Is it the number of people that is the problem (implies that people themselves are the problem and need to be kept spread out for their own safety)?

Is it the kind of people who live in these areas that are the problem (if so what attracts the bad people to these areas, or causes them to avoid the non violent areas)?

Is it the lack of adequate police in those areas?

Is it that weapons are easier to access in those areas?

Is it a lack of self defense training, or willingness to defend one's self on those areas?

Is it that there is not enough diversity in those areas?

Who is responsible for the violence in the areas in red?

You don't see a correlation with income/wealth?

How about we reduce inequality and see what happens?

Man kills,sometimes for no reason,as if there is one.
How many times have you intentionally stepped on a bug because it was a bug & for no other reason?
It's OK. It had no purpose.It doesn't belong here. It shouldn't intrude into your perfect life.
MUST DIE!

Republicans & Democrats just....DIE!
You are worthy of murder.

rando says

That's because the murder rate of an area is very strongly correlated with the black population of that area.

HEY YOU says

Man kills,sometimes for no reason,as if there is one.

Johnny Cash killed a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

joeyjojojunior says

Sounds good. Vote us into office and we'll get it done.

Ain't nobody wants to see you with more power than a dog catcher.

Why would I want to raise you up and put myself down???

joeyjojojunior says

You don't see a correlation with income/wealth?

How about we reduce inequality and see what happens?

komputodo says

But he doesn't want to give them his own money, he wants to give them OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

A one time infusion, while nice, wouldn't fix the issue. Structural changes are needed.

But, I would happily pay more once a more progressive tax system was implemented.

BlueSardine says

Why would I want to raise you up and put myself down???

Funny. I find that trolls typically aren't high earners.

rando says

That's because the murder rate of an area is very strongly correlated with the black population of that area.

High density of blacks = high murder rate. We can argue about the cause of this relationship, but it is nonetheless a fact that blacks commit murder at least 10 times the rate whites do.

And yes, most black people are not going to kill you, but if you know someone's race, you do know a non-trivial fact about your risk of being murdered by them.

This also explains the voting for Hillary matching the murder rate. Blacks were much more likely to vote for Hillary.

@Patrick you are definitely on to something here. However it clearly is not just a problem in one ethnic group. California and the Southwest are diverse in other ways, yet have a ton of violent crime. There is definitely something very different culturally though in the red areas/Clinton areas. What other ways can we describe the different cultures (I am not talking about ethnic culture here, rather a mindset, a philosophy, a paradigm)? They way people think in the Clinton/red areas is generally quite different from the rest of the nation.

joeyjojojunior says

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. In order for inequality to be tackled, it must be done at a Federal level with changes to laws. But, I will absolutely stand behind my value system once it is enacted.

People have different skills, talents and abilities. They can never be truly equal. What can be equalized is opportunity, and that is what we should aim for.

Strategist says

People have different skills, talents and abilities. They can never be truly equal. What can be equalized is opportunity, and that is what we should aim for.

I agree we should aim for equal opportunity. But it's not a matter of fairness or morals. It's pure practicality--the economy runs great with lower levels of inequality, and basically stops functioning when inequality levels get too high. I don't care much about fairness. I care about having a strong economy.

joeyjojojunior says

Strategist says

People have different skills, talents and abilities. They can never be truly equal. What can be equalized is opportunity, and that is what we should aim for.

I agree we should aim for equal opportunity. But it's not a matter of fairness or morals. It's pure practicality--the economy runs great with lower levels of inequality, and basically stops functioning when inequality levels get too high. I don't care much about fairness. I care about having a strong economy.

That was awesome, Joey. I could not agree more. Democracy can easily solve inequalities of wealth by death taxing the hell out of those who have a net worth of $100 million+

joeyjojojunior says

How about we reduce inequality and see what happens?

Yes, start by allowing the black kids access to the upper middle class neighborhood public schools

but that won't happen because rich democrats are all about "got mine fuck you" ...b b but, they assuage guilt by giving to charity and supporting welfare

MMR says

joeyjojojunior says

How about we reduce inequality and see what happens?

Yes, start by allowing the black kids access to the upper middle class neighborhood public schools

but that won't happen because rich democrats are all about "got mine fuck you" ...b b but, they assuage guilt by giving to charity and supporting welfare

It will be a cold day in hell when people from Westfield allow busing in of kids from east orange and/or Newark

Btw...any southsiders coming to school in your uppity ass Chicago neighborhood? Is that in the works...eh didn't think so for reasons everyone here already knows about.

MMR says

joeyjojojunior says

How about we reduce inequality and see what happens?

Yes, start by allowing the black kids access to the upper middle class neighborhood public schools

Please elaborate. We already have the system to allow anyone to rise to the top. e.g. Obama.

joeyjojojunior says

Strategist says

People have different skills, talents and abilities. They can never be truly equal. What can be equalized is opportunity, and that is what we should aim for.

I agree we should aim for equal opportunity. But it's not a matter of fairness or morals. It's pure practicality--the economy runs great with lower levels of inequality, and basically stops functioning when inequality levels get too high. I don't care much about fairness. I care about having a strong economy.

You sound just like this guy.

I'm glad to hear you starting to make some sense.

"You sound just like this guy."

I wish that were true. I've yet to hear Trump speak on the problems in inequality, and he appears set to make the tax code worse.

"Yes, start by allowing the black kids access to the upper middle class neighborhood public schools

but that won't happen because rich democrats are all about "got mine fuck you" ...b b but, they assuage guilt by giving to charity and supporting welfare"

lol--you're lost in your own world. I've asked you multiple times to present a solution to the problem of how to allow kids from poor neighborhoods to go to middle class neighborhood schools. I'm all ears. How do you cap the enrollment? Lottery? How do you get the kids to school? Do you bus them from every different part of town? Who pays for this? Do middle class kids get to pick their school as well? Do you pay to bus the middle class kids to whatever school they want to go to? This is just a very small subset of the practical questions that arise from such a proposal.

joeyjojojunior says

"You sound just like this guy."

I wish that were true. I've yet to hear Trump speak on the problems in inequality, and he appears set to make the tax code worse.

Well you are going to have to define it more specifically then. What inequality is it that you think Trump and the Feds need to focus on?

joeyjojojunior says

"Yes, start by allowing the black kids access to the upper middle class neighborhood public schools

but that won't happen because rich democrats are all about "got mine fuck you" ...b b but, they assuage guilt by giving to charity and supporting welfare"

This is a rabbit hole, MMR's valid point however is that high crime areas are also Democrat strongholds. Despite urban Democrats desire to promote better schools for all, most of them are much happier to have their kids go to schools that are less diverse. In other words, they want their kids to be more equal than other people's kids. Funny how that works.

So to recap, Democrats control the politics in high crime areas. This means the for the most part they control the local government and even state government in many places where violent crime is the worst. Despite this control they have by and large been unable to curb the violence in their own backyard through local government. And yet they want take control of the Federal government and put the policies that failed at the local level in force across the entire country? It is lunacy. Nice try Joeyjojojunior. Put forth a model that works by implementing it in your own location before we give Democrats a chance to force an unproven solution on the whole nation. We are still waiting for the answer on how you are going to solve inequality.

"Well you are going to have to define it more specifically then. What inequality is it that you think Trump and the Feds need to focus on?"

The kind that causes an economy to stop functioning. Like in 1929.

"We are still waiting for the answer on how you are going to solve inequality."

It's not a secret. I've posted it on here many, many times. I'm sure most are tired of hearing it.

Unearned income should be taxed (much) higher than earned income.
Raise inheritance taxes
Strengthen the power of labor vs. owners through new laws
Revise corporate board structure and make them accountable to shareholders
Strengthen oversight of Wall St. and banks.

This is just a small start.

"Despite urban Democrats desire to promote better schools for all, most of them are much happier to have their kids go to schools that are less diverse. In other words, they want their kids to be more equal than other people's kids. Funny how that works"

Why do you guys continue with the nonsense like:

1. If I'm in favor of better schools for all, that means my kids should go to the crappiest school in the city?
2. If I'm in favor of reducing inequality, that means I should give all my money to poor people.

It's not at all hypocritical to want all schools to be great, but send you kids to the local school or even a private school.

Nah no bans..
I made a funny and triggered joeyjojo at the same time.
That in itself is worth absorbing the return fire...

PeopleUnited says

joeyjojojr said: Funny. I find that trolls typically aren't high earners.

You called BlueSardine a troll and implied he is not a high earner. Shame on you. BlueSardine, if you like I will ban him from the thread.

BlueSardine is a self avowed and proud troll. I don't think calling him such is an insult to him.