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HappyGilmore says

Strategist says

Let me guess who gets the blame..... Republicans.

Not sure--depends on which county you're talking about I'd imagine.

Ahhhh. I get it. You want to blame the Republicans but can't. You don't want to blame the democrats but must.
Tough spot to be in.

Strategist says

Ahhhh. I get it. You want to blame the Republicans but can't. You don't want to blame the democrats but must.
Tough spot to be in.

No I want to blame the people responsible. You are the one who has a hard-on to blame Dems.

Pick a few counties where you think taxes are too high and let's look at the political makeup of the county board and assessor

HappyGilmore says

No I want to blame the people responsible. You are the one who has a hard-on to blame Dems.

Pick a few counties where you think taxes are too high and let's look at the political makeup of the county board and assessor

The democrats tried to make it a criminal offense to challenge a union.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-illinois-right-to-work-jail-20171101-story.html
I mean wtf? There are so many mandated expenses from the state dems-if you are allowed to cut expenses , then yes-but nope-like I said read the article.

lostand confused says

The democrats tried to make it a criminal offense to challenge a union.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-illinois-right-to-work-jail-20171101-story.html
I mean wtf? There are so many mandated expenses from the state dems-if you are allowed to cut expenses , then yes-but nope-like I said read the article.

And again--I'm not the partisan one here. This bill has zero to do with why IL property taxes are high or which party is responsible. This is merely a counter in the back and forth. IL Republicans tried to get a back door to right to work status and Dems are fighting back.

Not sure why anyone is cheering for lower wages which is all the Republicans want. Race to the bottom!! Woo-hoo!!

HappyGilmore says

IL has had a Republican governor more than Dem over the last 30 years.

What about the state legislature?

If only California had a 40K a year tax bill on every million dollar rat shack, it would return to its former blissful glory and become the Great Socialist Paradise it was meant to be.

HappyGilmore says

Strategist says

Ahhhh. I get it. You want to blame the Republicans but can't. You don't want to blame the democrats but must.
Tough spot to be in.

No I want to blame the people responsible. You are the one who has a hard-on to blame Dems.

WTF. It's obvious who is responsible.

HappyGilmore says

And again--I'm not the partisan one here. This bill has zero to do with why IL property taxes are high or which party is responsible

Yes it does. Because of this and the other barriers of the state democrats, the individual jurisdictions cannot negotatite and lower their costs. The thug unions and the thug dem union bosses keep the stranglehold and keep the populace as slaves and live as public masters. The same in any leftie paradise-where success is penalized and govt thugs reign supreme-which is the democrat wet dream.

lostand confused says

Yes it does. Because of this and the other barriers of the state democrats, the individual jurisdictions cannot negotatite and lower their costs. The thug unions and the thug dem union bosses keep the stranglehold and keep the populace as slaves and live as public masters. The same in any leftie paradise-where success is penalized and govt thugs reign supreme-which is the democrat wet dream.

You think this bill was for government workers?

No--it was to allow the Republican 1% to drive down wages as far as possible so they pay labor less and keep more.

You're funny--the Republican paradise you dream of is back in the days of the robber barons. Where companies own their workers, set up little company towns with company stores where they force their serfs to work 18-20 hours/day, 7 days/week. Worker injuries and deaths were common. We've been there and done this and thankfully unions helped drive change to where labor was valued. I'd prefer not to go back.

HappyGilmore says

You think this bill was for government workers?

Yes it was,Leftie propaganda does not make it any different-get a soul.
HappyGilmore says

No--it was to allow the Republican 1% to drive down wages as far as possible so they pay labor less and keep more.

Leftie paradise of fat gubmnt workers being masters of the populace is what you have in IL.

HappyGilmore says

You're funny--the Republican paradise you dream of is back in the days of the robber barons. Where companies own their workers, set up little company towns with company stores where they force their serfs to work 18-20 hours/day, 7 days/week. Worker injuries and deaths were common. We've been there and done this and thankfully unions helped drive change to where labor was valued. I'd prefer not to go back.

We are already close due tot eh Obama and Clinton's attempts at NAFTA and tPP. Thank God for Trump else TPP would be law. Meanwhile the fat gubmnt unions will laugh and grab your house if you get cancer and can't pay he obscene property taxes and laugh like the DR evil.

lostand confused says

Yes it was

See it's hard to take you seriously when you post outright falsehoods with such apparent surety.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-bruce-rauner-union-right-to-work-met-20150208-story.html
"The concept, which generally applies to private-sector unions, has gained traction among conservative politicians across the nation as states try to spur economic growth following a brutal recession that saw businesses close and tax dollars dry up."

HappyGilmore says

See it's hard to take you seriously when you post outright falsehoods with such apparent surety.

That is what happens when you listen to a thug dem politician. The politician sponsoring this arrest bill said on the floor of the house that the right to work law is important to all employees under a collective bargaining agreement-that it will impact policemen and firemen. he said this on the floor of the house while pushing for the arrest of politicians who advances the right to work law.

Just like Obama-if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, if you like your plan you can keep your plan. This thug sponsor said it on the floor of the house-are you saying he lied on the floor of the house to get more support? There is a pattern among Chicago dems.

lostand confused says

That is what happens when you listen to a thug dem politician

The quote was from a Republican leaning newspaper.

HappyGilmore says

The quote was from a Republican leaning newspaper.

Are you denying he said that. You probably think Obama's quote on doctors and plans is a Fox news made up story too-LOL!

lostand confused says

Are you denying he said that. You probably think Obama's quote on doctors and plans is a Fox news made up story too-LOL!

What are you talking about. The quote I posted was from a Republican leaning newspaper.

And why do you keep bringing up Obama and healthcare? Can you not have a civil discussion and stay on topic?

HappyGilmore says

What are you talking about. The quote I posted was from a Republican leaning newspaper.

And why do you keep bringing up Obama and healthcare? Can you not have a civil discussion and stay on topic?

It is you who can't have a civil discussion-when you say lies, lies lies and throw all kinds of insults. Can't you self reflect and think instead of projecting your behavior on others or regurgitating talking points. You talk about being civil-LOL-self reflection is valuable-unless you are a paid partisan hack !

The quote you posted may be from wherever. But the sponsor of the arrest bill said on the floor of the house that it impacts all employees of a collective bargaining agreement. That is what he said while pushing for arrest of elected folks-just think of that for a minute-arrest of people saying they don't want to force participate in a union and you support this thug police state.

lostand confused says

The quote you posted may be from wherever. But the sponsor of the arrest bill said on the floor of the house that it impacts all employees of a collective bargaining agreement. That is what he said while pushing for arrest of elected folks-just think of that for a minute-arrest of people saying they don't want to force participate in a union and you support this thug police state.

The bill allows municipalities to be right to work even in a state that is not right to work. The point of the bill is to allow companies to build new plants and not be right to work if unionized.

State workers would obviously not be affected. It's definitely possible that a politician stood up on the floor and issued a statement that exaggerated the truth to scare and make his point. And when I say government workers, I'm typically not thinking of police and firefighters.

And every time you make ridiculous statements like I support a thug police state, it only hurts your argument.

HappyGilmore says

And every time you make ridiculous statements like I support a thug police state, it only hurts your argument

Nope it exposes you. It arrests people with Class A misdemeanor-which is what a thug police state does and you support that.

. HappyGilmore says

It's definitely possible that a politician stood up on the floor and issued a statement that exaggerated the truth to scare and make his point. And when I say government workers, I'm typically not thinking of police and firefighters.

Now you admit what the thug sponsor of the bill said on the floor of the house and yet feign ignorance on why I bring in Obama-who lied multiple times about doctors and plans to pass the bill. Chicago dems -LOL..

HappyGilmore says

No--it was to allow the Republican 1% to drive down wages as far as possible so they pay labor less and keep more.

Are you saying there are no Democrats in the 1% who own businesses who will benefit?

lostand confused says

Nope it exposes you. It arrests people with Class A misdemeanor-which is what a thug police state does and you support that.

Only a very specific type of people. General public can say whatever they want.

lostand confused says

Now you admit what the thug sponsor of the bill said on the floor of the house and yet feign ignorance on why I bring in Obama-who lied multiple times about doctors and plans to pass the bill. Chicago dems -LOL..

Not feigning ignorance. Just wondering why you cant stay on topic. Usually that's the hallmark of a losing position.

anon_220f2 says

Are you saying there are no Democrats in the 1% who own businesses who will benefit?

I'm sure there are, but they aren't part of the got mine, eff you crowd so they vote Dem.

HappyGilmore says

Not feigning ignorance. Just wondering why you cant stay on topic. Usually that's the hallmark of a losing position.

nah. It shows you understand the lying thug sponsor's positon which is exactly similar to Obama's position on Obamacare and you think it is fine and dandy.

lostand confused says

nah. It shows you understand the lying thug sponsor's positon which is exactly similar to Obama's position on Obamacare and you think it is fine and dandy.

lol--you sure are good at telling me how I feel and what I think.

And calling people thugs. bravo.

HappyGilmore says

lol--you sure are good at telling me how I feel and what I think.

And calling people thugs. bravo.

LOl repeating your words is not me telling you how you feel-it is emrely repeating.

You are now racist-only black people can be called thugs? This thug wants to threaten people with jail for exercising their free will of not contributing to his group/union. That is a thug.

HappyGilmore says

the Republican paradise you dream of is back in the days of the robber barons. Where companies own their workers, set up little company towns with company stores where they force their serfs to work 18-20 hours/day, 7 days/week. Worker injuries and deaths were common. We've been there and done this and thankfully unions helped drive change to where labor was valued. I'd prefer not to go back.

You can't go back - we have laws which prevent the shit you described. So unless these laws are repealed (which is not happening) the argument about unions guarding us from 20-hour workdays is bogus.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

You can't go back - we have laws which prevent the shit you described. So unless these laws are repealed (which is not happening) the argument about unions guarding us from 20-hour workdays is bogus.

Have you not been paying attention? Those laws are getting repealed. Slowly but surely.

lostand confused says

LOl repeating your words is not me telling you how you feel-it is emrely repeating.

You are now racist-only black people can be called thugs? This thug wants to threaten people with jail for exercising their free will of not contributing to his group/union. That is a thug.

You're losing it. You have never repeated my words--you are always putting words in my mouth. Incorrectly.

And who brought up race here? I just said you're constantly calling people you don't agree with "thugs" which is pretty lame.

HappyGilmore says

You're losing it. You have never repeated my words--you are always putting words in my mouth. Incorrectly.

And who brought up race here? I just said you're constantly calling people you don't agree with "thugs" which is pretty lame.

Blah, blah, blah-have no substance, resort to distractions.

Maybe the Dems should just send the Mafia door-to-door with brass knuckles, shaking down property owners directly like they did in the old days.

HappyGilmore says

Have you not been paying attention? Those laws are getting repealed. Slowly but surely.

Really? Which of federal labor protection laws have been repealed recently?

this just reminds us that government first and foremost protects itself, not the taxpayers who they treat as slaves. why such high taxes? to pay government salaries and expenses. Hell most of us out here wouldn't even know if state government disappeared one day, there is nothing they can do for us with our money that we can't do ourselves better.

FortWayne says

this just reminds us that government first and foremost protects itself, not the taxpayers who they treat as slaves. why such high taxes? to pay government salaries and expenses. Hell most of us out here wouldn't even know if state government disappeared one day, there is nothing they can do for us with our money that we can't do ourselves better.

Great-let's cut military spending by a factor of 100 then.

That’s off topic, but sure why not.

HappyGilmore says

FortWayne says

this just reminds us that government first and foremost protects itself, not the taxpayers who they treat as slaves. why such high taxes? to pay government salaries and expenses. Hell most of us out here wouldn't even know if state government disappeared one day, there is nothing they can do for us with our money that we can't do ourselves better.

Great-let's cut military spending by a factor of 100 then.

Everything in Illinois is over budget and behind schedule - except Chicagos murder rate.

Booger says

Everything in Illinois is over budget and behind schedule - except Chicagos murder rate.

Criminals have the best work ethics. They get the job done without complaining. They also help us by killing other criminals.
If we offered a $10,000 reward for each criminal killed, we would not need law enforcement.