This is why Leftism is going to eventually die out: Ideology vs Truth.
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marcus
2018 Jan 21, 1:37pm
marcus
2018 Jan 21, 1:37pm
Goran_K says
You're right, he never calls anyone racist. But it doesn't change my take away from what he says at 6:20 or so.
Yes, Don Lemon vigorously challenges him on whether Trump is a racist. Giving him the chance to make his point about avoiding name calling.
never calls white people racist and Trump manipulating racists. That's ridiculous.
You're right, he never calls anyone racist. But it doesn't change my take away from what he says at 6:20 or so.
Yes, Don Lemon vigorously challenges him on whether Trump is a racist. Giving him the chance to make his point about avoiding name calling.
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mell
2018 Jan 21, 1:43pm
marcus says
A racist used to be somebody who wanted segregation and laws barring people of other races from equal opportunity. Nowadays it is used for people that don't want laws tampering with equal opportunity by giving certain races or genders advantage by law. So the definition has pretty much been 180 degrees reversed by left. Thus any discussion with somebody like Don the Lemon or his ilk becomes useless drivel.
Goran_K saysnever calls white people racist and Trump manipulating racists. That's ridiculous.
You're right, he never calls anyone racist. But it doesn't change my take away from what he says at 6:20 or so.
Yes, Don Lemon vigorously challenges him on whether Trump is a racist. Giving him the chance to make his point about avoiding name calling.
A racist used to be somebody who wanted segregation and laws barring people of other races from equal opportunity. Nowadays it is used for people that don't want laws tampering with equal opportunity by giving certain races or genders advantage by law. So the definition has pretty much been 180 degrees reversed by left. Thus any discussion with somebody like Don the Lemon or his ilk becomes useless drivel.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 1:46pm
Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 1:46pm
marcus says
Don Lemon was clearly trying to goad one of MLK's relatives to call Trump a racist, but doesn't get what he (or his CNN masters want). After the interview ends, and after the commercial break, why does Lemon apologize to his audience for the way the interview went and then claim "I didn't know we where going to have this man on."
That's complete BS. It seems Don Lemon and CNN were trying to use the MLK name to push their agenda and when that didn't happen, Lemon went on one of his bitch fits on live TV again.
Yes, Don Lemon vigorously challenges him on whether Trump is a racist. Giving him the chance to make his point about avoiding name calling.
Don Lemon was clearly trying to goad one of MLK's relatives to call Trump a racist, but doesn't get what he (or his CNN masters want). After the interview ends, and after the commercial break, why does Lemon apologize to his audience for the way the interview went and then claim "I didn't know we where going to have this man on."
That's complete BS. It seems Don Lemon and CNN were trying to use the MLK name to push their agenda and when that didn't happen, Lemon went on one of his bitch fits on live TV again.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 1:47pm
Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 1:47pm
justme says
What's the difference these days? It's part of the leftist platform.
Bernie Sanders, Pelosi, Warren, and Clinton have all made tweets about the the supposed gender "wage gap" despite numerous studies proving it's completely false.
That's the top DNC brass right there.
equating feminism with "leftism" is yet another propaganda technique. This particular thread is a perfect example. Rather than arguing against feminism, which is what it should do, it argues against "leftism" by equating it with feminism.
What's the difference these days? It's part of the leftist platform.
Bernie Sanders, Pelosi, Warren, and Clinton have all made tweets about the the supposed gender "wage gap" despite numerous studies proving it's completely false.
That's the top DNC brass right there.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 1:49pm
Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 1:49pm
marcus says
Yup. I consider Peterson and Dave Rubin among the "true" liberals (not leftist).
Leftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt, it could mean a loss of power for a very long time. Identity leftism is being completely exposed for the political lie it's been for years.
Plenty of real liberals identify with this point of view.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html
Yup. I consider Peterson and Dave Rubin among the "true" liberals (not leftist).
Leftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt, it could mean a loss of power for a very long time. Identity leftism is being completely exposed for the political lie it's been for years.
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marcus
2018 Jan 21, 2:19pm
marcus
2018 Jan 21, 2:19pm
Goran_K says
Total semantics bullshit. If you said the same about identity politics I might agree with you.
We only need a more sensible "leftism." But the right wing policies that drive inequality, that is the real economic policies, including the "starve the beast" right wing deficit spending policies which are going on again with current tax cuts. These are examples of the degree to which the country continues to slide to the right.
A "left" that figures out how to challenge these, will simply be a more effective leftism, addressing the problems that affect the majority of us. It will still be the left. You can't swing as hard to the right as we have (not talking socially) without eventually causing the existence of a strong left.
RIght wingers only wish that the future left wing would be about identity politics.
Leftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt
Total semantics bullshit. If you said the same about identity politics I might agree with you.
We only need a more sensible "leftism." But the right wing policies that drive inequality, that is the real economic policies, including the "starve the beast" right wing deficit spending policies which are going on again with current tax cuts. These are examples of the degree to which the country continues to slide to the right.
A "left" that figures out how to challenge these, will simply be a more effective leftism, addressing the problems that affect the majority of us. It will still be the left. You can't swing as hard to the right as we have (not talking socially) without eventually causing the existence of a strong left.
RIght wingers only wish that the future left wing would be about identity politics.
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lostand confused
2018 Jan 21, 2:28pm
lostand confused
2018 Jan 21, 2:28pm
Goran_K says
I hope so. leftists are like the second or third generation of wealthy parents. The first generation works hard and saves every penny and very careful and know risks, hunger etc.
The second has some memory and stories from aprents and the third think they are superman and money grows on trees. They live in an abstract world with no concept of reality.
The same for the divorced women and child support freaks who get obscene amounts for sitting on their asses with no accountability.
Today in the leftist world view-they think we are in the top of the world, never can come tumbling down and help the poor downtrodden third worlders while getting their welfare from their parents or the gubmnt or poor ex husbands.
They are the true racists, because they cannot comprehend a third worlder as an equal as a competitor who can take our place any time in the world stage. They talk about the 1%, their govt drones live off us like the soviets and they seek to beat down the talented, the hard working and take their money-like they do from their parents and govt.
They simply cannot comprehend that if we are not competitive, we can fall and become a third world shithole very quick .
The supply of stupid lefties seem infinite and I fear we may fall and become some leftie paradise like the soviet union or the former China-before they adopted capitalism.
Trump is a shot at stopping this slide and if we are to keep at No 1 with our living standards-we have to be smart and respect all other countries and realize they are just as talented and smart as us and we have to compete. We cannot be racist like the lefties who think we are oh so superior and keep helping the poor illegals-they will eat our lunch. But the deranged lefties are too third generation to even comprehend how the real world works.
Leftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt, it could mean a loss of power for a very long time
I hope so. leftists are like the second or third generation of wealthy parents. The first generation works hard and saves every penny and very careful and know risks, hunger etc.
The second has some memory and stories from aprents and the third think they are superman and money grows on trees. They live in an abstract world with no concept of reality.
The same for the divorced women and child support freaks who get obscene amounts for sitting on their asses with no accountability.
Today in the leftist world view-they think we are in the top of the world, never can come tumbling down and help the poor downtrodden third worlders while getting their welfare from their parents or the gubmnt or poor ex husbands.
They are the true racists, because they cannot comprehend a third worlder as an equal as a competitor who can take our place any time in the world stage. They talk about the 1%, their govt drones live off us like the soviets and they seek to beat down the talented, the hard working and take their money-like they do from their parents and govt.
They simply cannot comprehend that if we are not competitive, we can fall and become a third world shithole very quick .
The supply of stupid lefties seem infinite and I fear we may fall and become some leftie paradise like the soviet union or the former China-before they adopted capitalism.
Trump is a shot at stopping this slide and if we are to keep at No 1 with our living standards-we have to be smart and respect all other countries and realize they are just as talented and smart as us and we have to compete. We cannot be racist like the lefties who think we are oh so superior and keep helping the poor illegals-they will eat our lunch. But the deranged lefties are too third generation to even comprehend how the real world works.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 2:31pm
Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 2:31pm
marcus says
You can call it BS, but the major figure heads (Clinton, Sanders, Warren, Pelosi) of the DNC have adopted leftism. Leftism is dead because it's extreme always leads to socialism. Leftism doesn't seek to address the problems that "affect the majority of us" or the DNC wouldn't be shutting down the government over 800,000 illegal aliens.
I disagree deficit spending is a ring wing policy singularly seeing as Obama added more to the national debt than any other president in history. Deficit spending is a symptom of ALL big government. The only way to decrease deficit spending is to decrease the size of government. Voting Democrat is the opposite of that which is why I haven't voted Democrat (or GOP) in over a decade.
Total semantics bullshit. If you said the same about identity politics I might agree with you.
We only need a more sensible "leftism." But the right wing policies that drive inequality, that is the real economic policies, including the "starve the beast" right wing deficit spending policies which are going on again with current tax cuts. These are examples of the degree to which the country continues to slide to the right.
A "left" that figures out how to challenge these, will simply be a more effective leftism, addressing the problems that affect the majority of us. It will still be the left. You can't swing as hard to the right as we have (not talking socially) without eventually causing the existence of a strong left.
RIght wingers only wish that the future left wing would be about identity politics.
You can call it BS, but the major figure heads (Clinton, Sanders, Warren, Pelosi) of the DNC have adopted leftism. Leftism is dead because it's extreme always leads to socialism. Leftism doesn't seek to address the problems that "affect the majority of us" or the DNC wouldn't be shutting down the government over 800,000 illegal aliens.
I disagree deficit spending is a ring wing policy singularly seeing as Obama added more to the national debt than any other president in history. Deficit spending is a symptom of ALL big government. The only way to decrease deficit spending is to decrease the size of government. Voting Democrat is the opposite of that which is why I haven't voted Democrat (or GOP) in over a decade.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 2:35pm
Goran_K
2018 Jan 21, 2:35pm
lostand confused says
This is why Democrats overwhelmingly favor policies like sanctuary cities, or amnesty. You need uneducated, and poor destitute people to sell the fantasy of lefty socialism to. Anyone with a decent educational background who can understand how an economy works would never ever support lefty socialism. But if you're extremely poor, and lack a real education, then it's easy to buy into lies like "free college and free healthcare".
Goran_K saysLeftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt, it could mean a loss of power for a very long time
I hope so. leftists are like the second or third generation of wealthy parents. The first generation works hard and saves every penny and very careful and know risks, hunger etc.
The second has some memory and stories from aprents and the third think they are superman and money grows on trees. They live in an abstract world with no concept of reality.
The same for the divorced women and child support freaks who get obscene amounts for sitting on their asses with no accountability.
Today in the leftist world view-they think we are in the top of the world, never can come doubling down and help the poor downtrodden third worlders while getting their welfare from their parents or the gubmnt or poor ex husbands.
They are the true racists, because they cannot...
This is why Democrats overwhelmingly favor policies like sanctuary cities, or amnesty. You need uneducated, and poor destitute people to sell the fantasy of lefty socialism to. Anyone with a decent educational background who can understand how an economy works would never ever support lefty socialism. But if you're extremely poor, and lack a real education, then it's easy to buy into lies like "free college and free healthcare".
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Shaman
2018 Jan 21, 3:44pm
Shaman
2018 Jan 21, 3:44pm
“Leftist” is a word we were forced to coin to differentiate the ultra conservative left-wing nutjob fascists from the Liberals whose name they were trying to hijack for a modicum of respectability.
Leftists hate Liberals most of all, because they are polar opposites from people who believe in freedom of thought.
Leftists hate Liberals most of all, because they are polar opposites from people who believe in freedom of thought.
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anonymous
2018 Jan 21, 5:06pm
lostand confused says
Not a single point here rings true for the typical liberal.
Therefore cite an imaginary straw man view of the left. But your vote gives the right the power to plutocrats to rob from the future. The 1% are rarely hard working and talented. More often they live off inheritances.
You have to know when the deficit explodes because of the current tax cuts, they're going to try to diminish your "entitlements" that you've presumably been paying in to.
Notice how I deal with reality, rather than some imaginary fantasy of what your beliefs are ? I don't know why middle class and working class right wingers fall for it. But I know part of it is that they think some poor folks are getting something for free, while you work hard for your living.
What about compassion for some guy who knocked a girl up when he was 18, and now they both work but need food stamps and housing subsidy to make ends meet.
You going to blame liberals for the fact that real wages have been decreasing for decades ? IT's just the natural balancing as the developing world digs itself out of 50 cents a month kind of poverty. I'm a realist. That's all. Yes, globalization happened. But the idea that the "libruls" caused it is beyond stupid.
Today in the leftist world view-they think we are in the top of the world, never can come tumbling down and help the poor downtrodden third worlders while getting their welfare from their parents or the gubmnt or poor ex husbands.
They are the true racists, because they cannot comprehend a third worlder as an equal as a competitor who can take our place any time in the world stage. They talk about the 1%, their govt drones live off us like the soviets and they seek to beat down the talented, the hard working and take their money-like they do from their parents and govt.
They simply cannot comprehend that if we are not competitive, we can fall and become a third world shithole very quick .
The supply of stupid lefties seem infinite and I fear we may fall and become some leftie paradise like the soviet union or the former China-before they adopted capitalism.
Not a single point here rings true for the typical liberal.
Therefore cite an imaginary straw man view of the left. But your vote gives the right the power to plutocrats to rob from the future. The 1% are rarely hard working and talented. More often they live off inheritances.
You have to know when the deficit explodes because of the current tax cuts, they're going to try to diminish your "entitlements" that you've presumably been paying in to.
Notice how I deal with reality, rather than some imaginary fantasy of what your beliefs are ? I don't know why middle class and working class right wingers fall for it. But I know part of it is that they think some poor folks are getting something for free, while you work hard for your living.
What about compassion for some guy who knocked a girl up when he was 18, and now they both work but need food stamps and housing subsidy to make ends meet.
You going to blame liberals for the fact that real wages have been decreasing for decades ? IT's just the natural balancing as the developing world digs itself out of 50 cents a month kind of poverty. I'm a realist. That's all. Yes, globalization happened. But the idea that the "libruls" caused it is beyond stupid.
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BayArea
2018 Jan 21, 5:06pm
BayArea
2018 Jan 21, 5:06pm
Goran_K says
Sam Harris is a good one on the left.
Eye opening display of blind leftism being absolutely picked apart, totally destroyed, over a 30 minute interview.
This happens all the time now. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro regularly publicly destroy leftist ideas in the forum of public opinion, and it's always a slaughter.
Sam Harris is a good one on the left.
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Y
2018 Jan 21, 8:38pm
Y
2018 Jan 21, 8:38pm
Leftists are like garlic butter.
They both sound good to the palette, but once downed initiate cardiac arrest...
They both sound good to the palette, but once downed initiate cardiac arrest...
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 7:17am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 7:17am
BayArea says
Sam Harris is more of a true liberal than a leftist IMO. While he does advocate equality of outcome (or maximizing social outcome as he says it) which is a central tenant of liberals, he is very critical of feminism and Muslims which has made him an enemy of the left. He’s more of a Hitchens type guy on the left than say a Cenk Uygur of the left.
In this day and age, Cenk is far more representative of the left than Harris which is why Cenk gets more of the attention and accolades than Harris from Democrats/Leftist.
He is a good debater and although I’m not an atheist I respect his arguments. He also doesn’t really go on TV and debate to destroy like Shapiro does. Harris seems like he’s more of an open conversationalist. He’s not there to crack your skull with facts and logic but to hear your ideas and present his ideas if that makes any sense.
Sam Harris is a good one on the left.
Sam Harris is more of a true liberal than a leftist IMO. While he does advocate equality of outcome (or maximizing social outcome as he says it) which is a central tenant of liberals, he is very critical of feminism and Muslims which has made him an enemy of the left. He’s more of a Hitchens type guy on the left than say a Cenk Uygur of the left.
In this day and age, Cenk is far more representative of the left than Harris which is why Cenk gets more of the attention and accolades than Harris from Democrats/Leftist.
He is a good debater and although I’m not an atheist I respect his arguments. He also doesn’t really go on TV and debate to destroy like Shapiro does. Harris seems like he’s more of an open conversationalist. He’s not there to crack your skull with facts and logic but to hear your ideas and present his ideas if that makes any sense.
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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2018 Jan 22, 7:55am
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2018 Jan 22, 7:55am
That video was really good.
Ironically, Peterson compares leftists to Chairman Mao, and the reporter says that she shouldn't do that, because Mao killed millions of people. Peterson was of course correct to compare certain traits of theirs to those traits in Mao. What was funny about this to me is that is the same thing that Flake was doing when he compared Trump's rhetoric to Stalin's. The right on this board flipped their shit just like this reporter. Those Trump cheerleaders have proven themselves to be no more lucid than this reporter at times.
Ironically, Peterson compares leftists to Chairman Mao, and the reporter says that she shouldn't do that, because Mao killed millions of people. Peterson was of course correct to compare certain traits of theirs to those traits in Mao. What was funny about this to me is that is the same thing that Flake was doing when he compared Trump's rhetoric to Stalin's. The right on this board flipped their shit just like this reporter. Those Trump cheerleaders have proven themselves to be no more lucid than this reporter at times.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 8:15am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 8:15am
Goran_K says
Mind you, I agree with some of what Harris says (I'm a libertarian so that's natural), but I don't agree that society should try to maximize societal outcome on the individual level. If you want to maximize outcome at all, Capitalism does a far better job than Socialism as the 20th century showed us with numerous examples. Equality of opportunity gives society the BEST chance of BEST outcomes.
Sam Harris is more of a true liberal than a leftist IMO. While he does advocate equality of outcome (or maximizing social outcome as he says it) which is a central tenant of liberals
Mind you, I agree with some of what Harris says (I'm a libertarian so that's natural), but I don't agree that society should try to maximize societal outcome on the individual level. If you want to maximize outcome at all, Capitalism does a far better job than Socialism as the 20th century showed us with numerous examples. Equality of opportunity gives society the BEST chance of BEST outcomes.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 8:27am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 8:27am
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
The difference is that Peterson is actually right, and he's coming from a standpoint of ideological consistency (e.g - Communist and Leftist both disregard opposing viewpoints in FAVOR of group think, that's extremely dangerous).
Flake was just acting like a little bitch because Trump rightfully called him out for being an ineffective Senator for his constituents and having a 16% approval rating and instead of getting crushed in an election bid, choose to slink away taking pot shots at the POTUS for being right.
What was funny about this to me is that is the same thing that Flake was doing when he compared Trump's rhetoric to Stalin's. The right on this board flipped their shit just like this reporter. Those Trump cheerleaders have proven themselves to be no more lucid than this reporter at times.
The difference is that Peterson is actually right, and he's coming from a standpoint of ideological consistency (e.g - Communist and Leftist both disregard opposing viewpoints in FAVOR of group think, that's extremely dangerous).
Flake was just acting like a little bitch because Trump rightfully called him out for being an ineffective Senator for his constituents and having a 16% approval rating and instead of getting crushed in an election bid, choose to slink away taking pot shots at the POTUS for being right.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 8:29am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 8:29am
BTW, reaching nearly 55,000 comments and 3,000,000 views. Leftist have CNN, everyone else has social media. I know which one I'd rather have when trying to reach the next generation of voters.
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anonymous
2018 Jan 22, 8:37am
Goran_K says
What we really need to do is get rid of the biggest socialist drain on our federal income tax dollars. The military industrial complex. Why sould these poor sacks that don't pay a dime in federal income tax be getting free defense. So wrong, biggest socialist drain on our society it needs to be stopped now, right Goran?
Goran_K saysSam Harris is more of a true liberal than a leftist IMO. While he does advocate equality of outcome (or maximizing social outcome as he says it) which is a central tenant of liberals
Mind you, I agree with some of what Harris says (I'm a libertarian so that's natural), but I don't agree that society should try to maximize societal outcome on the individual level. If you want to maximize outcome at all, Capitalism does a far better job than Socialism as the 20th century showed us with numerous examples. Equality of opportunity gives society the BEST chance of BEST outcomes.
What we really need to do is get rid of the biggest socialist drain on our federal income tax dollars. The military industrial complex. Why sould these poor sacks that don't pay a dime in federal income tax be getting free defense. So wrong, biggest socialist drain on our society it needs to be stopped now, right Goran?
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NDrLoR
2018 Jan 22, 8:37am
NDrLoR
2018 Jan 22, 8:37am
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Peterson compares leftists to Chairman Mao,This is demonstrated by the actions of "students" on college campuses who are the modern day counterparts of Chairman (hold the) Mao's Red Guards.
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Patrick
2018 Jan 22, 8:38am
Patrick
2018 Jan 22, 8:38am
I just watched the video and was quite impressed. Both sides aggressively argued their points, and Peterson was more coherent.
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FortWayne
2018 Jan 22, 8:46am
FortWayne
2018 Jan 22, 8:46am
Leftist feminism isn't logical, it's emotional. It's the ignore that we live in a greatest country in the world with all the same rights, it's imagine in your mind that you are being oppressed by men and go parade hating on men. I bet it's sponsored by Democratic party.
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Shaman
2018 Jan 22, 8:47am
Shaman
2018 Jan 22, 8:47am
I just like the part where he talks her into a corner and she admits “you got me.”
Checkmate
Checkmate
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 9:13am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 9:13am
anon_13ce6 says
I don't think it's the biggest societal drain, leftism as a whole is the biggest drain on the US economy. Trump has been barely in office for a year, and just relaxed the tax burden slightly and look what is has done for our economy. That's 7 trillion in created wealth. We should have the goal of shrinking the federal government, not making it bigger.
I do agree with Eisenhower's sentiment when warned about this sector of society taking our country hostage. I've never liked the U.S having hundreds of bases around the world playing policeman for every local conflict that sparks off. We shouldn't be expected to pay and accept refugees as a result of all these local conflicts either.
We should provide aid, and help those people get back onto their feet, but they should fix their own living rooms, not stay in ours. This is how Japan/Germany reconstruction worked after WW2 and it worked brilliantly.
That's why I voted for Ron Paul in 2008/2012. I truly do want a more pronounced U.S isolationism with regards to foreign policy.
What we really need to do is get rid of the biggest socialist drain on our federal income tax dollars. The military industrial complex. Why sould these poor sacks that don't pay a dime in federal income tax be getting free defense. So wrong, biggest socialist drain on our society it needs to be stopped now, right Goran?
I don't think it's the biggest societal drain, leftism as a whole is the biggest drain on the US economy. Trump has been barely in office for a year, and just relaxed the tax burden slightly and look what is has done for our economy. That's 7 trillion in created wealth. We should have the goal of shrinking the federal government, not making it bigger.
I do agree with Eisenhower's sentiment when warned about this sector of society taking our country hostage. I've never liked the U.S having hundreds of bases around the world playing policeman for every local conflict that sparks off. We shouldn't be expected to pay and accept refugees as a result of all these local conflicts either.
We should provide aid, and help those people get back onto their feet, but they should fix their own living rooms, not stay in ours. This is how Japan/Germany reconstruction worked after WW2 and it worked brilliantly.
That's why I voted for Ron Paul in 2008/2012. I truly do want a more pronounced U.S isolationism with regards to foreign policy.
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lostand confused
2018 Jan 22, 9:32am
lostand confused
2018 Jan 22, 9:32am
anon_08dee says
Oh please. tell me how much deficit is the current tax cuts going to cause. Tell me how much deficits did Obama incur after he increased taxes. Cut gubmnt-time for that.
anon_08dee says
Realist would never supprot lefties. Theyw ant unlimited immigration, unlimited globalisation-which two Presidents pushed for massive free trade deals. Which president killed the TPP and is renegpotating NAFTA-yeah right realist.
You have to know when the deficit explodes because of the current tax cuts, they're going to try to diminish your "entitlements" that you've presumably been paying in to.
Oh please. tell me how much deficit is the current tax cuts going to cause. Tell me how much deficits did Obama incur after he increased taxes. Cut gubmnt-time for that.
anon_08dee says
ou going to blame liberals for the fact that real wages have been decreasing for decades ? IT's just the natural balancing as the developing world digs itself out of 50 cents a month kind of poverty. I'm a realist. That's all. Yes, globalization happened. But the idea that the "libruls" caused it is beyond stupid.
Realist would never supprot lefties. Theyw ant unlimited immigration, unlimited globalisation-which two Presidents pushed for massive free trade deals. Which president killed the TPP and is renegpotating NAFTA-yeah right realist.
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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2018 Jan 22, 9:51am
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2018 Jan 22, 9:51am
Patrick says
What I thought was interesting was the attention to the trait of being 'agreeable'. This was used as the opposite of assertive. I don't think that those things have to be polar opposites, although they are certainly opposing forces. Anyway, the real takeaway for everybody from that interview is that if you want to move ahead, you have to be assertive and competitive - not necessarily a disagreeable or bossy dick, though.
Both sides aggressively argued their points, and Peterson was more coherent.At first, I thought that she was doing a good job prompting him to showcase his points. It became evident halfway through or so that she was just not 'getting it' and responding well to the points he was making.
What I thought was interesting was the attention to the trait of being 'agreeable'. This was used as the opposite of assertive. I don't think that those things have to be polar opposites, although they are certainly opposing forces. Anyway, the real takeaway for everybody from that interview is that if you want to move ahead, you have to be assertive and competitive - not necessarily a disagreeable or bossy dick, though.
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NDrLoR
2018 Jan 22, 10:04am
NDrLoR
2018 Jan 22, 10:04am
anon_13ce6 says
"Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."
The military industrial complexThat part of Eisenhower's speech is familiar to all, but less familiar is the next to last paragraph of Sec. IV:
"Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."
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anonymous
2018 Jan 22, 11:00am
Goran_K says
What exactly does this mean? What is leftism? Is there rightism and centerism? How are they the biggest drain? What programs and how much?
Goran_K says
Has the tax burden lifting taken effect, when was the start date on that? What percentage of how the economy is doing is based on the Dow? How quickly can that 7 trillion in created wealth evaporate into thin air?
leftism as a whole is the biggest drain on the US economy
What exactly does this mean? What is leftism? Is there rightism and centerism? How are they the biggest drain? What programs and how much?
Goran_K says
Trump has been barely in office for a year, and just relaxed the tax burden slightly and look what is has done for our economy.
Has the tax burden lifting taken effect, when was the start date on that? What percentage of how the economy is doing is based on the Dow? How quickly can that 7 trillion in created wealth evaporate into thin air?
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 11:05am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 22, 11:05am
lostand confused says
The truth is the tax cuts will end up being net positive. The increased national economic performance will increase the tax base, which will more than cover the effect of the cuts.
Oh please. tell me how much deficit is the current tax cuts going to cause.
The truth is the tax cuts will end up being net positive. The increased national economic performance will increase the tax base, which will more than cover the effect of the cuts.
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anonymous
2018 Jan 22, 11:31am
Goran_K says
Well I don't think you can say truth. It is definitely the hope. Time will tell.
lostand confused saysOh please. tell me how much deficit is the current tax cuts going to cause.
The truth is the tax cuts will end up being net positive. The increased national economic performance will increase the tax base, which will more than cover the effect of the cuts.
Well I don't think you can say truth. It is definitely the hope. Time will tell.
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anonymous
2018 Jan 22, 1:03pm
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Assertiveness is actually an aspect of a totally separate Big Five trait, Extraversion. The other aspect of Extraversion is Enthusiasm. The Big Five trait Agreeableness breaks down into two aspects (Politeness and Compassion). The interviewer probably ranks lower in Politeness, though it should be noted that Dr. Peterson's research shows that it is likely that it's the high levels of compassion that produces the offense sensitivity seen in high PC individuals.
Looking at the traits through the lens of evolutionary psychology, you can see how, due to environmental factors, different aspects can confer an advantage, or, due to different environmental stresses, put one at a disadvantage. Peterson's point is there are some competent woman who do well as team players in a business environment, but need assertiveness training to "overcome" their agreeableness.
What I thought was interesting was the attention to the trait of being 'agreeable'. This was used as the opposite of assertive.
Assertiveness is actually an aspect of a totally separate Big Five trait, Extraversion. The other aspect of Extraversion is Enthusiasm. The Big Five trait Agreeableness breaks down into two aspects (Politeness and Compassion). The interviewer probably ranks lower in Politeness, though it should be noted that Dr. Peterson's research shows that it is likely that it's the high levels of compassion that produces the offense sensitivity seen in high PC individuals.
Looking at the traits through the lens of evolutionary psychology, you can see how, due to environmental factors, different aspects can confer an advantage, or, due to different environmental stresses, put one at a disadvantage. Peterson's point is there are some competent woman who do well as team players in a business environment, but need assertiveness training to "overcome" their agreeableness.
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Strategist
2018 Jan 22, 7:19pm
Strategist
2018 Jan 22, 7:19pm
Goran_K says
This is really sad. We won't have anyone left to kick around.
Pelosi and Schumer......humiliated.
Democrats.......looking very foolish.
Economy......rebounding like crazy.
Unemployment......Too low to even mention.
China......caving in on trade.
Kim Jong Un.........Running scared.
Pakistan.........no more aid.
Palestinians....no Jerusalem for them.
Iran.......already starting to shiver
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Dear Trump, Where the fuck were you all this time?
Eye opening display of blind leftism being absolutely picked apart, totally destroyed, over a 30 minute interview.
This is really sad. We won't have anyone left to kick around.
Pelosi and Schumer......humiliated.
Democrats.......looking very foolish.
Economy......rebounding like crazy.
Unemployment......Too low to even mention.
China......caving in on trade.
Kim Jong Un.........Running scared.
Pakistan.........no more aid.
Palestinians....no Jerusalem for them.
Iran.......already starting to shiver
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Dear Trump, Where the fuck were you all this time?
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 23, 8:40am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 23, 8:40am
Strategist says
Seriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s.
Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.
This is really sad. We won't have anyone left to kick around.
Pelosi and Schumer......humiliated.
Democrats.......looking very foolish.
Economy......rebounding like crazy.
Unemployment......Too low to even mention.
China......caving in on trade.
Kim Jong Un.........Running scared.
Pakistan.........no more aid.
Palestinians....no Jerusalem for them.
Iran.......already starting to shiver
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Dear Trump, Where the fuck were you all this time?
Seriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s.
Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.
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lostand confused
2018 Jan 23, 1:21pm
lostand confused
2018 Jan 23, 1:21pm
Goran_K says
I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!
Seriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s.
Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.
I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!
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BayArea
2018 Jan 23, 1:51pm
BayArea
2018 Jan 23, 1:51pm
lostand confused says
I also played Trump too conservatively In the finance department, at least initially. Mistake.
Goran_K saysSeriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s.
Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.
I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!
I also played Trump too conservatively In the finance department, at least initially. Mistake.
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 23, 2:20pm
Goran_K
2018 Jan 23, 2:20pm
lostand confused says
I seriously under estimated Trump's effect on American politics. He's out maneuvered the Democrats are pretty much every turn. My initial prediction was that Trump might get some things incrementally done (such as weakening ACA), but I never expected him to deliver a roaring economy, tax reform, and outright killing ACA in one fell swoop.
Now he's focusing on illegal immigration reform, and I don't think I'll doubt him again. He's going to get it done.
I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!
I seriously under estimated Trump's effect on American politics. He's out maneuvered the Democrats are pretty much every turn. My initial prediction was that Trump might get some things incrementally done (such as weakening ACA), but I never expected him to deliver a roaring economy, tax reform, and outright killing ACA in one fell swoop.
Now he's focusing on illegal immigration reform, and I don't think I'll doubt him again. He's going to get it done.
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Strategist
2018 Jan 23, 5:54pm
Strategist
2018 Jan 23, 5:54pm
Goran_K says
He's got 7 years to do it. It will be done.
Now he's focusing on illegal immigration reform, and I don't think I'll doubt him again. He's going to get it done.
He's got 7 years to do it. It will be done.
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BayArea
2018 Jan 24, 7:02am
BayArea
2018 Jan 24, 7:02am
I underestimated trump in the campaign, underestimated him in his first year in office.
I’m done underestimating him and won’t bet against him moving forward.
And that Jordan Peterson clip was impressive. How to tame and humiliate a rabid lefty with an agenda and blood coming out of her you know what... eyes
I’m done underestimating him and won’t bet against him moving forward.
And that Jordan Peterson clip was impressive. How to tame and humiliate a rabid lefty with an agenda and blood coming out of her you know what... eyes
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Goran_K
2018 Jan 24, 8:28am
Goran_K
2018 Jan 24, 8:28am
BayArea says
The best part is she ran full face into it during that last part where Jordan Peterson pointed out that she had been trying to make him uncomfortable, and had been rabidly aggressive during the past 30 minutes, but it was HER RIGHT to risk offending him to debate ideas, instead of not risking being offensive and not debating at all (which is what the left wants).
Her enormous brain fart, and subsequent admitting that she had been logically submitted on live TV was the icing on a very delicious cake.
How to tame and humiliate a rabid lefty with an agenda and blood coming out of her you know what... eyes
The best part is she ran full face into it during that last part where Jordan Peterson pointed out that she had been trying to make him uncomfortable, and had been rabidly aggressive during the past 30 minutes, but it was HER RIGHT to risk offending him to debate ideas, instead of not risking being offensive and not debating at all (which is what the left wants).
Her enormous brain fart, and subsequent admitting that she had been logically submitted on live TV was the icing on a very delicious cake.
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Eye opening display of blind leftism being absolutely picked apart, totally destroyed, over a 30 minute interview.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/aMcjxSThD54
2.5 million views, 50,000 comments and rising.
This happens all the time now. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro regularly publicly destroy leftist ideas in the forum of public opinion, and it's always a slaughter.
Think about a Monday Night Football game, where one team has scored 4 touchdowns by the half, and you're only watching the 2nd half to see how bad it gets. These aren't even ideological debates anymore, it's ideological wipeouts. Now because of social media literally tens of millions of people are seeing these blowouts, and it's hurting leftism deeply.
Leftist think they are winning because MSM controls cable. That's true. The problem is, young people aren't watching CNN or NBC or care much about Don Lemon or Jake Tapper. They go onto social media and see these destructive battles of ideology and see leftist ideological corpses left in their wake.
There are no Ben Shapiros or Jordan Petersons on the left either. None exist.