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Why a huge K-12 campus lacks elemental security, meaning an individual, posted at the entrance
lol--you think a school campus has "an" entrance?
Most schools have one main entrance that is open. The rest are emergency doors that are locked from the outside and sound an alarm if pushed from the inside. Every school I went to was this way.
Why don't we just lock the main door too then? And any visitor must get buzzed in?
Why not? As long as anybody can push a door to get outside, what's the problem?
That's what pretty much all schools do already.
Why don't we just lock the main door too then? And any visitor must get buzzed in?
Well, this one didn't.
Schools in that area seemed to all have a main entrance and then the admin office was right next to the main entrance and I think the community officer had his office one door down. You can't lock the place down because there are PE classes and students move from portables to interior classrooms during period changes.
Yes, it did. Read this article for the details:
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High has fences, gates and emergency procedures to keep students safe, but a determined gunman found a way around them.
He came when he knew the gates would be open and set off a fire alarm that would dismantle a safety system, officials say. And the school resource officer, who is supposed to help protect students, may not have been on school grounds at the time.
Accused gunman Nikolas Cruz, who had been expelled from the school for behavioral problems, arrived on campus about 20 minutes before the school day ended.
That’s the time school officials usually open the gates around campus so students and staff parked in various parking lots, as well as school buses and parents picking up their kids, can get out easily, said Jerry Graziose, the district’s former director of school safety.
“During the day, those areas locked. But when you’re getting ready for kids to leave, all the gates in the different areas have to be unlocked, and it takes a few minutes for the person doing that,” Graziose .said
Again--read up. The school is locked down. The shooter knew the routine.
Again--read up. The school is locked down. The shooter knew the routine.
The school wasn't locked down
Of course it was. You can't keep it locked down when kids enter and exit. That's the point.
I don't understand. When I was a kid, we had to wait until all the safety crossing guards were deployed before they let us out the door. All by walkie-talkies back pre-cell phone era, when only Drug Dealers and Executives had beepers and car phones.
he SRO is NOT a dedicated security guard posted at the entrance. He will be breaking up fights, looking for kids sneaking out of the building, pursuing truants, meeting with parents etc. Security means a person at the door at all times. The SRO may not have even been on the campus. This kid was KNOWN to the admins and staff.
So, what do you propose. Having a SWAT team clear the campus every day before and after school?
? The article made my point, you can't lock the place down all the time and you can't lock it during a fire alarm. That is a big hole without a clear solution. It would have helped if the community officer were there, I read that he may not have been on campus, that is an issue. That may be THE issue.
Remind me how the security guard at Mandalay Bay did?
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day, or we can simply make it more impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
I agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
So, what do you propose. Having a SWAT team clear the campus every day before and after school?
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer? First off, the AR15 can't really be concealed. In my scenario it is better than 50/50 that the officer would win, or at least the gunfight outside might have prompted a different response. The whole thing would have played out differently, including not being able to activate the fire alarm.
Because the security guard would likely be flirting with one of the secretaries or talking to a student or playing candy crush when the assault rifle toting murderer came up on him. The element of surprise would be squarely on the side of the kid.
Yes, we can spend a zillion dollars and put armed guards at every entrance and exit 24 hours a day,
This is dumbassery
Because the security guard would likely be flirting with one of the secretaries or talking to a student or playing candy crush when the assault rifle toting murderer came up on him. The element of surprise would be squarely on the side of the kid.
Here's what would have happened if they had one gatehouse at the entrance to the campus.
Kid drives up in an Uber. Guard gets the Kid's name, looks him up, he's on a list because the school already put out a warning he was not to enter and was expelled.
You've just prevented a mass shooting.
I believe comment 99 is against your rules
tatty/joeyjoey/happygilmore now CajunSteve, why do you keep signing up NEW profiles here? This new one was just signed up today?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
CajunSteve saysI agree with you except for the community officer part. He would have been the 1st casualty.
Why do you take it as a certainty that the gunman would win against an armed community officer?
or we can simply make it impossible for mentally deranged kids to get assault weapons.
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High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.