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An Antidote To Corporate Media


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2015 Feb 9, 7:43am   714,913 views  602 comments

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Patrick.net is an online forum, a bit like Twitter or Reddit, but with much more freedom of speech than either of those. Almost anything goes, but a few things don't, such as deliberately personally insulting another user, or deliberately misrepresenting what another user said.

I got the patrick.net domain name back in 1995 when I was one day too late for patrick.com. Missing the .com name turned out to be fine. I prefer the .net name now because life is all about human networks. This site was just my personal blog from 1995 to 2004.

In 2004 I started writing about the housing bubble, which catapulted the site to national fame for a while. I was interviewed on NPR, on Nightline on TV, and in other corporate media that I have since learned to recognize as poison. Here are my original the articles about the housing bubble (the dates on them are much later because I updated them):

https://patrick.net/post/1282720/2015-07-11-ten-reasons-it-s-a-terrible-time-to
https://patrick.net/post/1282721/2015-07-11-eight-groups-who-lie-about-the-housing
https://patrick.net/post/1282722/2015-07-11-37-bogus-arguments-about-housing

The big housing bubble popped in 2008, and traffic fell, since it was no longer controversial to assert that we really had had a housing bubble.

About then, I decided to just let the public discuss other topics with each other and wrote my own forum software. I'm a programmer, so that was fun. At first I was kind of disturbed at the number of conservatives on the site, but as I discussed things with them and saw San Francisco literally turn to shit under far-left Democrat extremists, I changed my thinking.

And yet I didn't change my thinking all that much, because once again, I'm opposing corruption of government by the oligarchy. Before, my enemy was the NAR (National Association of Realtors) and I still think the NAR is nothing but institutionalized crime, but there are bigger fish to fry now, especially since the worldwide campaign to inject every human with a dangerous and ineffective genetic experiment, which was never approved by the FDA. (They approved "Comirnaty", which is not available, to deceive the public.)

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/thinking-points-september-21-2022


It’s like Pharma just backed a truck up to the Progressive Values Factory; stole everything; modified core values in order to maim people, make money, and implement global totalitarianism; and the left is just out there smoking a cigarette on the loading dock saying, “Sounds good to me.” What!? What the heck happened to the left? Is there no one remaining in that tribe who is capable of logic and reason!? Quite literally the worst industry in the world stole the left’s most cherished values and no one on the left is the slightest bit offended by this (even though they are offended by everything else)!? We live in the bizarro upside down world.




I could go on, but you'll get the idea by reading the site.



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150   anonymous   2018 Mar 5, 9:14pm  

It's fine to have free speech without wallowing in ad hom insult slinging.

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What changed? Prior to the election of Trump, this oddly didn’t matter to the same people who all of a sudden in early 2017, something changed. All of a sudden, civility became important. Free Speech became less important. Bizarre
151   Patrick   2018 Mar 5, 11:56pm  

Fixed a bunch of things, and took down the user list page because it seemed like it was causing problems.
152   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 12:05am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Can't make a new post with a youtube link. Without it, it's fine. It's the "Great Comedy that would be impossible today."

And this post "Failed to post. Are you still connected to the internet?"

Removed it and posted just fine.


@TwoScoopsPlissken OK you should be able to post YouTube videos again. The problem was that I was trying to allow certain styles so that blockquotes could be in a different color, and that managed to conflict with YouTube somehow.
153   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 3:29am  

@Patrick is it just YouTube specifically or is it a clash with the fact that hyperlinks post as blue causing the problem?
154   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 8:06am  

@errc I'm not sure what the problem was, but I will come back to the idea of putting quotes in different colors.
155   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 8:07am  

@Patrick can you restore the time stamps to users locale?

I liked that
156   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 8:10am  

If you click on your own name or icon, and then 'edit profile', you should be able to change your timezone and then all the timestamps should be in that timezone.

Let me know if it does not work for you.
157   Onvacation   2018 Mar 6, 9:45am  

APFuck is now the most liked patnet user of all time.
I checked before Patrick got rid of the user list.
I appreciate AF's humor, though I liked it more when it was about cannibal anarchy instead of sodomising Trump.
158   missing   2018 Mar 6, 10:35am  

Patrick says
and took down the user list page because it seemed like it was causing problems.


LOL
I knew it was a matter of time.
159   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 10:37am  

Onvacation says
I appreciate AF's humor, though I liked it more when it was about cannibal anarchy instead of sodomising Trump.


I agree. The unremitting personal attacks on Trump are kind of tedious, especially when they are completely evidence-free.

FP says
Patrick says
and took down the user list page because it seemed like it was causing problems.


LOL
I knew it was a matter of time.


Yes, the site should not be a competition for likes or number of comments. It should just be people talking to try to gain useful insights from each other about housing, politics, economics, etc.
160   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 10:51am  

I agree. The unremitting personal attacks on Trump are kind of tedious, especially when they are completely evidence-free.

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It’s a shame this attitude didn’t exist nine years ago, huh?
161   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 10:56am  

I didn't say the Obama stuff was any better.
162   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 6, 11:19am  

Patrick says
@TwoScoopsPlissken OK you should be able to post YouTube videos again. The problem was that I was trying to allow certain styles so that blockquotes could be in a different color, and that managed to conflict with YouTube somehow.


Thanks Pat
163   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 11:36am  

RafiMaas says
Patrick says
I didn't say the Obama stuff was any better.


Didn't say it was just as bad either.


The silence in general was deafening

Trump himself ran with the birther crap for years.

Patnet sent Obama packing with a “bye bye, nigger boy!”. Nary a peep

What in the flying fuck did these people expect the reaction was going to be to their eight years of ODS, and the incivility they promoted?

Most of us aren’t cucked ass bitches with daddy issues dreaming of getting reamed by Daddy Trump.
164   missing   2018 Mar 6, 12:14pm  

someone else says

Yes, the site should not be a competition for likes or number of comments


I agree, creating safe zones is quite fashionable nowadays. Nobody should have to face reality, especially when it's unflattering.
165   mell   2018 Mar 6, 12:25pm  

jazz_music says
"Liberals are ..." (some stinking straw man to scorn)


It's just an imprecise term, it should be leftists. The true and original liberals are today's right-wingers and libertarians. The left has just veered completely to the extreme while the right has veered closer to the (commons-sense) middle. That's why you see elections the way turn out they do currently.
166   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 12:33pm  

mell says
jazz_music says
"Liberals are ..." (some stinking straw man to scorn)


It's just an imprecise term, it should be leftists. The true and original liberals are today's right-wingers and libertarians. The left has just veered completely to the extreme while the right has veered closer to the (commons-sense) middle. That's why you see elections the way turn out they do currently.


Lololol

Yea because liberals just sit idly by and watch their own put god before Country, and lie their faces off about how they care about Veterans and solving the opiate crisis, while continuing Hemp/Cannabis Prohibition. What a fucking joke
167   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 12:36pm  

The true and original liberals are today's right-wingers and libertarians.

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I can’t believe anyone could be so delusional to believe such obviously dishonest shit

Puke
168   mell   2018 Mar 6, 12:42pm  

errc says
The true and original liberals are today's right-wingers and libertarians.

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I can’t believe anyone could be so delusional to believe such obviously dishonest shit

Puke


Bourgeois Liberalism

is how Liberalism started. Adam Smith, etc. Closest to Libertarians likely. They were likely mostly Christians, and the Marxists and communists (extreme left) hated them.
169   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 12:43pm  

Liberals ruined everything!
REEEEEEEE
KEK KEK KEK!
Stfu

Meanwhile in reality, Republicans/Conservatives are unrelenting, unAmerican lying POS who hate America and the Freedoms and Liberties envisioned by the Liberals (Founding Fathers)


https://www.civilized.life/articles/republican-preventing-congress-voting-on-marijuana-bills/
170   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 12:45pm  

The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.


I root for their comeuppance every day of the week, Failed Fucking Losers
171   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 12:48pm  

jazz_music says
errc says
solving the opiate crisis

There is some really heady profit-gouging stink about this crisis. Other countries don't have this problem at all. EVEN COUNTRIES WHERE THESE DRUGS ARE SOLD OVER THE COUNTER!!!

The solution is always to arrest a lot of people and force them to support corrections counselors and racketeer doctors.

Really the cause of all our social cancer is our own murderous greed for stock market gains because none of us can look forward to any defined pension any more and at the same time social security is getting fucked up the ass, mostly by Republicans.

What else can you do? --buy guns, drive humvees, grow yams ... you see how this shit plays out?


You can always absolve yourself from any responsibility, as if you owe no duty to your country to remain vigilant in protecting our freedoms and liberties, and simply sit back and blame liberals
172   mell   2018 Mar 6, 12:48pm  

jazz_music says
errc says
solving the opiate crisis

There is some really heady profit-gouging stink about this crisis. Other countries don't have this problem at all. EVEN COUNTRIES WHERE THESE DRUGS ARE SOLD OVER THE COUNTER!!!

The solution is always to arrest a lot of people and force them to support corrections counselors and racketeer doctors.

Really the cause of all our social cancer is our own murderous greed for stock market gains because none of us can look forward to any defined pension any more and at the same time social security is getting fucked up the ass, mostly by Republicans.

What else can you do? --buy guns, drive humvees, grow yams ... you see how this shit plays out?


There is no solution to the opioid crisis, Either you let people be free - which includes free to wreck themselves - or not. I am for legalization of all drugs, but it won't be a solution. Either way the amount of addicts roughly stays the same, but at least you get rid of some of the crime around it.

errc says
Meanwhile in reality, Republicans/Conservatives are unrelenting, unAmerican lying POS who hate America and the Freedoms and Liberties envisioned by the Liberals (Founding Fathers)


The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.
173   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 12:54pm  

mell says
jazz_music says
errc says
solving the opiate crisis

There is some really heady profit-gouging stink about this crisis. Other countries don't have this problem at all. EVEN COUNTRIES WHERE THESE DRUGS ARE SOLD OVER THE COUNTER!!!

The solution is always to arrest a lot of people and force them to support corrections counselors and racketeer doctors.

Really the cause of all our social cancer is our own murderous greed for stock market gains because none of us can look forward to any defined pension any more and at the same time social security is getting fucked up the ass, mostly by Republicans.

What else can you do? --buy guns, drive humvees, grow yams ... you see how this shit plays out?


There is no solution to the opioid crisis, Either you let people be free - which includes free to wreck t...


Wow, just fucking wow. Unbelievable
174   mell   2018 Mar 6, 12:57pm  

jazz_music says
Capitalism will never tolerate a representative government; its inefficient as a vehicle for greater profits.


Maybe partially true, but it works better than all other forms on this planet. Otherwise people wouldn't be crossing the border to live under this bad system.
175   mell   2018 Mar 6, 1:39pm  

RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/busting-some-myths-about-the-founding-fathers-and-marijuana/

Either way I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. In context many things back then were forbidden or problematic at least, that are viewed as ok today.
176   mell   2018 Mar 6, 1:41pm  

jazz_music says
Fortunately, most millennials aren't buying any of the bullshit, God bless their hearts.


Gen Z is fairly conservative. What both may not buy is globalism.
177   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 1:42pm  

RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


Thank you

It’s refreshing to see America isn’t dead yet
178   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 1:45pm  

mell says
jazz_music says
Fortunately, most millennials aren't buying any of the bullshit, God bless their hearts.


Gen Z is fairly conservative. What both may not buy is globalism.


I keep seeing a certain group of people saying this without offering any proof

Kids today are mostly both Secular and Liberal

What tenants of Conservatism do you claim todays youth espouse?
179   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 1:46pm  

jazz_music says
tobacco and alcohol industries also killing people while gaining massive wealth AND THE POWER TO PREVENT DEMOCRACY.


That's not a problem unique to one side or the other. Democrats are more heavily funded by the rich, and they want something for their donations: laws favorable to their businesses.

The real problem is the lack of a labor party in the US. The Democrats used to approximate a labor party, but have abandoned that job so as not to offend Wall Street Bankers and other extremely wealthy Democratic donors. And it turns out that the Democratic strategy dividing labor by race, gender, etc, is very good for preventing the unity necessary to actually form a labor party.
180   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 1:50pm  

That's not a problem unique to one side or the other

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How long will America survive with people constantly critical of all things liberal, while excusing Republican bad actors by saying yea but dems do it too, regardless of if its even true?
181   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 6, 1:54pm  

errc says
How long will America survive with people constantly critical of all things liberal, while excusing Republican bad actors by saying yea but dems do it too, regardless of if its even true?



Maybe try reforming the Democratic Party.

Start by replacing Pelosi and Corey Booker in their next primaries.
182   mell   2018 Mar 6, 1:58pm  

errc says
RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


Thank you

It’s refreshing to see America isn’t dead yet


Except for that it's a myth, see the link above. Just because you and I want them to be as freedom loving and possible doesn't mean they were. What I was trying to illustrate is that they may have been closer to today's repubs/libertarians, without judgement.
183   anonymous   2018 Mar 6, 2:00pm  

mell says
RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/busting-some-myths-about-the-founding-fathers-and-marijuana/

Either way I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. In context many things back then were forbidden or problematic at least, that are viewed as ok today.


I read your silly link, but contrary to the title, they didn’t bust any myths wrt the FF and Hemp/Cannabis. So then why did you post it?

Jump to conclusions about what?
Care to elaborate on what you meant with the rest of your words? Intentionally vague, they hold no meaning. Explain please
184   mell   2018 Mar 6, 3:06pm  

errc says
mell says
RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/busting-some-myths-about-the-founding-fathers-and-marijuana/

Either way I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. In context many things back then were forbidden or problematic at least, that are viewed as ok tod...


It clearly refutes Rafis post that they were "using" MJ as in smoking it and that they would have voted for it. It was used for rope and they did not cultivate the high THC kind. I think you are focusing solely on MJ because it is the most important thing for you, but many are willing to trade in Republican shortcomings wrt MJ as long as they don't have to endure the leftist reign in other more important topics. Otherwise Hillary should have win with 90$% of the vote as most, left and right, these days do not care if you toke a little at your home.
185   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 6, 4:01pm  

jazz_music says
Is there ever going to be a DNC member that the right wing media would NOT criticize, demonize, humiliate, and rail against???


So Rush is an excuse to tolerate putting up with Neoliberals in your party, because he might make fun of their replacements on the radio?
186   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 6, 4:02pm  

jazz_music says
You know damn well that anybody who gets into the public eye and is not far right wing is going to be a never-ending subject of ridicule and demonization.


Yeah, Trump is just worshipped daily on Comedy Central, SNL, the View, Jimmy Kimmel, Rachel Maddow, Anderson180, etc.

hahahahahaha
187   missing   2018 Mar 6, 4:04pm  

mell says
Maybe partially true, but it works better than all other forms on this planet. Otherwise people wouldn't be crossing the border to live under this bad system.


This is such a poor logic. Embarrassing!
188   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 4:05pm  

Why is that poor logic?
189   missing   2018 Mar 6, 4:11pm  

Are you seriously asking me this?

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