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HappyGilmore says

It's become a fact free zone for the most part.

You are welcome to add any facts you find. I encourage you to do so.

HappyGilmore says

Hell, your title is meant to be an insult by calling any non-Trump supporter a leftist.

Nope. Not true. I'm glad you think you can read minds though. Mind reading has become a staple of the left's bigotry. "Dog whistle racism ", etc...

The MSM/left is calling anyone who disagrees "alt-right", which they conflate with "white nationalist" and therefore anyone who disagrees is called a racist. Remember when they called Bernie supporters racist? Perhaps the left is just better at this bigotry game. Regardless of the reason, their bigoted voices get FAR more reach and widespread acceptance. This is a huge problem for our country.

Our discourse has gone terribly bigoted, and is coming overwhelmingly from the left. Have you watched any late night shows, or awards ceremonies lately? Did you pay attention to the mountain of propaganda regarding the parkland shooting? The left refuses to admit that wrongthinkers even mean well.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

my source proves this statement

Which statement are you trying to prove? Or just trolling again

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

CBOEtrader says

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

my source proves this statement

Which statement are you trying to prove? Or just trolling again

The one about people here saying they have a source yet they don't provide it, if one has a source provide it. Otherwise shut the fuck up about the bull shit source.

Just trolling. Again. Got it.

Thanks for proving my point. The left is out of facts to debate.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

people who make statement here without a link

I dont need CNN to make an observation about society. I am sorry that you feel the need to regurgitate a talking head rather than just have your own opinion.

A statement like "she was arrested for trespassing" doesnt require a link, especially since it was accepted...but you know that. You just trolling.

CBOEtrader says

The MSM/left is calling anyone who disagrees "alt-right", which they conflate with "white nationalist" and therefore anyone who disagrees is called a racist. Remember when they called Bernie supporters racist? Perhaps the left is just better at this bigotry game. Regardless of the reason, their bigoted voices get FAR more reach and widespread acceptance. This is a huge problem for our country.

No, that's clearly not true. Lots of people disagree without being called racist. I haven't seen McCain called a racist. Or Flake. Or Gowdy. Or the vast majority of Republicans who disagree with some of Trump's proposals.

I don't remember when any of Bernie's supporters were called racist, no.

The real problem is the continual chip on the shoulder of Trump supporters who continue to feel persecuted even after they won. But yes, Trump definitely appealed to the racist portion of the population. That can hardly be denied. That's a part of his coalition. Along with voters who just wanted something different and couldn't stomach voting for Clinton. And those who agreed with many of the policies he stumped on--cracking down on illegal immigration, protectionist trade policies, repealing ACA.

CBOEtrader says

Have you watched any late night shows, or awards ceremonies lately? Did you pay attention to the mountain of propaganda regarding the parkland shooting? The left refuses to admit that wrongthinkers even mean well.

I watch late night sometimes--not sure what you mean? They made fun of Obama. They made fun of W. And now they make fun of Trump. You think they're not going to use all the material he gives them?? Are you kidding me? Stormy Daniels practically writes the jokes for them. But to what propaganda do you refer? The only misinformation I see is all coming from the NRA and Trump himself.

HappyGilmore says

I don't remember when any of Bernie's supporters were called racist, no.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-racist-side-of-bernie-sanders-supporters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/07/the-bernie-bros-are-out-in-full-force-harassing-female-reporters/?utm_term=.ed1efa0e83a7

Interesting to note that these articles coincided with some of team Hillary's fake bernie outings, as exposed in wikileaks. In short: Team Hillary (i.e. team MSM) tried to tarnish Bernie supporters in a similar way as Trump supporters. Both were based on lies and the worst kind of bigoted propaganda.

The real problem is the continual chip on the shoulder of Trump supporters who continue to feel persecuted even after they won

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Forever the victim———-> bigtime Daddy Issues====== Trumpcucks

HappyGilmore says

Trump definitely appealed to the racist portion of the population.

How? Trump is saying he wants MAGA for all americans. He has never put forth one group identity over another. He has certainly never said that groups of Americans are deplorable. ALL OF THAT BIGOTRY is coming from the left today. I would suggest this as evidence that the left is appealing to the racist portion of the population, who are projecting their own sins onto Trump supporters.

Peeples too stoopid to rule themselves. Only a US exploitative corporatocracy is a viable solution. We must exploit the lessers before China does. Soon we will legalize fatty hunting.

HappyGilmore says

I haven't seen McCain called a racist.

https://www.amazon.com/Gook-John-McCains-Racism-Matters/dp/0967943345

Hail to the New Republic! More to us!

Oh, to the New Order! Hail, Republic!

Hail to the New Republic! More to the strong!

Of course the left is heavily reliant on personal attacks. Identity politics at its CORE is a demonization game.

"All trump supporters are racist nazis"

"Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a racist!"

"Black people should get affirmative action spots at top universities despite lower scores because whites are privileged!"

All personal attacks, and getting people to hate each other based on mistruths and lies.

How do you define “the left”?

Who are your talking about, specifically?

Or is the term intentionally vague, in order to cover a broad range of the boogeyman enemy you’re programmed to hate?

CBOEtrader says

How? Trump is saying he wants MAGA for all americans. He has never put forth one group identity over another. He has certainly never said that groups of Americans are deplorable. ALL OF THAT BIGOTRY is coming from the left today. I would suggest this as evidence that the left is appealing to the racist portion of the population, who are projecting their own sins onto Trump supporters.

Trump says many things besides MAGA for all Americans.

He has absolutely put one group identity over another. He just does it subtlety enough that folks like you can deny it. That's why it's called a dog whistle. Hell, his staff flashes white power symbols in photo ops. Just like how his supporters on here have adopted the new way to call African Americans "thugs". How many videos of minorities fighting have been posted on here vs. videos of white folks? Why do you suppose that is?

I'd suggest Trump supporters are just trying to muddy the water to confuse folks and hide the truth.

errc says

How do you define “the left”?

All Democrat voters.

CBOEtrader says

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

Somehow you've never seen postings by cic/sniper or tenpoundbass anywhere on patnet? or are you saying they are leftists?

Goran_K says

errc says

How do you define “the left”?

All Democrat voters.

Why do non leftists use different terms to describe their enemies?

Liberals
Leftists
Democrats

Imo, if one is talking about Democrats, they’d be better served to refer to them as such

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

Somehow you've never seen postings by cic/sniper or tenpoundbass anywhere on patnet? or are you saying they are leftists?

Not allowed to talk about obvious truths here

Remember, racism doesn’t even exist anymore
But if it did exist, it would only be the leftists

errc says

Liberals
Leftists
Democrats

Imo, if one is talking about Democrats, they’d be better served to refer to them as such

Leftist are Democrats, and Democrats are Leftist.

I never use "liberal" because very few Democrats are true "liberals" in the John Locke sense.

HappyGilmore says

He has absolutely put one group identity over another.

Where? Lets discuss details.

HappyGilmore says

He just does it subtlety enough that folks like you can deny it.

Oh, you are back to mind reading.

HappyGilmore says

That's why it's called a dog whistle.

At least you admit its your assumption. All this racism that you cant point to or quote. Yeah, sorry, i deal w facts. SHOW ME WHERE TRUMP HAS BEEN BIGOTED against americans.

Here is HRC's latest https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/19/clinton-said-she-meant-no-disrespect-by-comments-about-white-women-who-voted-for-trump/?utm_term=.bc11a475cc83

Goran_K says

very few Democrats are true "liberals"

None are true liberals. Being a true liberal today is labelled as white supremacy by the left.

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

Because their arguments fail all logical tests.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

Why didn't those sources state the fact that the charges had been dropped?

The article I read didnt mention that part. The article I read gave few relevant facts (which is why i didnt post it) besides her trespassing charge, which the OP didnt mention at all.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

Why was I made fun of for posting an old article that proved the charges were dropped?

Because you wrote "Two weeks ago..." about a 2 year old article. I'm trying to get the facts straight. Stick w the discussion. Oh, and stop trolling

CBOEtrader says

Accusing others of being child killers for disagreeing about gun rights -OR- suggesting disagreement can only stem from ignorance or racism or both. This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

It's funny because all the attacks we see from the right is all ad hominem: see the attacks on Clinton "globalist queen", Warren "Pocahontas" think she has indian blood, etc...
Any discussion on global warming soon turn into attacks on Al Gore.
Or general attacks like people on the left are all crazy, mentally ill, perverts, etc....

We rarely see any discussions of actual issues.

Ok, I just used the ignore button for the the new 5lb troll. Does this mean I wont see anything this troll posts? (I hope)

First time for everything I guess.

Fivelbsbrowntrout says

How about Leftist?

Left/Leftist, same shit stain. It's the word "liberal" where I make a distinction.

Heraclitusstudent says

It's funny because all the attacks we see from the right is all ad hominem

Show me Republican politicians who call the left some form of deplorable.

Thats the most easily notable distinction. - OR - Show me where the right is accusing the left of having "blood on their hands" for disagreeing about gun control. -OR- show me business leaders on the right who wont hire democratic voters. -OR- Wont do business w democratic voters. -OR show me where the right is oppressing the careers of those on the left?

All of this bigotry is coming from the left. This is almost identical to the type of bigotry witnessed in 1930's germany. Replace white male conservative w Jew and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between Nazi's and today's left.

SHOW ME anywhere, one single data point where the right is oppressing the left in the same way.

HEYYOU says

Don't they realize if there is no gun control,more on the right can be slaughtered in large numbers.

It is voting blocks on the left that kill themselves en masse, not the right.

HEYYOU says

The Right to keep & bear,it's accoutrements & affects,trumps the lives of the right's loved ones & friends.

There is a direct correlation between legal gun ownership rates and lower murder rates (and lower violent crime rates in general). You should rethink your false premises.

CBOEtrader says

Show me Republican politicians who call the left some form of deplorable.

Here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-47-percent-americans-pay-no-income-tax/
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. "

CBOEtrader says

Show me where the right is accusing the left of having "blood on their hands" for disagreeing

Here:
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2016/07/12/the-new-york-times-and-the-left-have-blood-on-their-hands-n2191460

CBOEtrader says

All of this bigotry is coming from the left.

Clearly not. Both sides are ultra-partisan bigots.

HEYYOU says

The Right to keep & bear,it's accoutrements & affects,trumps the lives of the right's loved ones & friends.

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

HappyGilmore says

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

That’s a good question

However, they seem to struggle with lots of words and their meaning

HappyGilmore says

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

Which facts are they not understanding?

HappyGilmore says

Goran_K says

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

Why do Trump supporters not know what the word fact means?

Are you saying it isn't true? Ask the murderers in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and DC who they wanted to be president. Over 90% of them would say HRC.

Facts matter. It is the D supporters who kill each other, not Trumps

Heraclitusstudent says

CBOEtrader says

Show me Republican politicians who call the left some form of deplorable.

Here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-47-percent-americans-pay-no-income-tax/
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. "

Not exactly the same thing as calling Trump supporters racist, now is it?

Heraclitusstudent says

CBOEtrader says

Show me where the right is accusing the left of having "blood on their hands" for disagreeing

Here:
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2016/07/12/the-new-york-times-and-the-left-have-blood-on-their-hands-n2191460

Nice find. This guy is obviously being using inciting language in an op-ed about a politically targeted murder. I disagree w his level of vitriol. However a 5 cop ambush murder is indeedtime for the left to admit and finger wag at the underlying motivating movements. Black lives matter is statistically more violent than the KKK. Fact.

Again this is fundamentally different than accusing gun rights proponents of having blood on their hands, or accusing Trump supporters of being racist (and therefore worthy of violent response).