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Sniper says

Believing what a spoiled 17 year old brat, who is clueless on life, is saying to the world,

Will the Liberals EVER get a clue?

Liberals listen and verify by checking the facts. In this case, Rubio has taken a great deal of $$ from the NRA and his voting record seems to indicate this cash bought his loyalty.

The real clueless ones are the guys who believe whatever nonsense they read on redstate or bigleaguepolitics. How many times can Trump supporters fall for the same BS lies? I guess a lot--otherwise there wouldn't be so many websites that pander to them.

HappyGilmore says

Liberals listen and verify by checking the facts.

The "facts" posted daily on WaPo and NYT?

Those "facts"??

errc says

Abortion survivors? Lol wtf

Yes - it's a thing.
http://theabortionsurvivors.com/

Then there are the hundreds of thousands of children who were adopted as opposed to being aborted.

Not to mention humans born with Downs Syndrome who were given the chance to live.

www.youtube.com/embed/yQJEoRhkapw

Squeal like a Pig Hogg!

Everything that little punk says is Hogg Wash.

Are Liberals getting tired of face palming yet?

I'm going to fart so loud he leaves the State.
Little snowflake punk.

I live in South Florida if I ever see that punk in public I'm going to Fart Rape the fuck out of that little Homo bitch.

Tenpoundbass says

Everything that little punk says is Hogg Wash.

Are Liberals getting tired of face palming yet?

Hogg Yesterday: "Fucking NRA BLood on Your Handz The Revolution is Coming We are Taking YOUR GUNS! We are the future!! Tremble with Fear you pathetic fools!!'
Hogg Today: "I'm just a kid, everybody boycott people who make fun of meeeeeee Waaaaah."

AltLeft Everyday: "Take these kids seriously."

Oh, the old days, when there was only a daily paper and some news channels, and it was easy to create the illusion that something totally nuts was reasonable and you were the only one of a handful aside from a tiny handful of people on some BBS or usenet forum who saw through the BS.

Thank God the Legacy Media Brainwash is Kaput from Competition by two-way communications tools.

CBOEtrader says

He's a pure corporate shill, and a terrible influence.

He's a wonderful influence. Now the dumbass 60s era rejects and professional activists who haven't been outside LA, DC, and NY in 30 years certainly think so.

You know, the kind of brilliant people who lost a rigged election, despite raising almost double the money, will the Legacy Media running 90% negative stories against their gal's opponent, with help from the FBI getting FISA warrants on fake info from their Oppo Research PR Firm to smear a candidate.

Let them keep on thinking so.

RafiMaas says

Soundss like Hogg has got rightists panties in a bunch.

The opposite. I get uncomfortable from a FREEDOM! boner, knowing he's turned another person away from the dark side with his puerile smug stupidity.

Never interrupt your enemies when they're putting on a clown show, digging deeper, and thinking their mistakes are the pathway to Victory.

RafiMaas says

Soundss like Hogg has got rightists panties in a bunch.

Sounds like Leftist are sheep and lemmings and will follow clueless Hogg right off the cliff.

Just wait until Cruz starts talking.

All these swarmy drama kids who think they're hot shit - it's gonna turn out they were the worst bullies of Cruz out of all of them, and thus, partially responsible for the whole thing.

Goodbye, moral superiority.

errc says

Abortion survivors? Lol wtf

Yeah. You know the thing that ends dozens of lives for every life ended by gun crime. Yes, that thing.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The opposite. I get uncomfortable from a FREEDOM! boner, knowing he's turned another person away from the dark side with his puerile smug stupidity.

Never interrupt your enemies when they're putting on a clown show, digging deeper, and thinking their mistakes are the pathway to Victory.

lol. It is amazing that Trump supporters are in such a bubble that they have no idea how these issues are really playing in the country. All they know is how their extreme base reacts.

Here's a little real data:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380443-students-leading-gun-violence-protests-seen-more-favorably-than

"A majority of respondents, 56 percent, see the students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who organized Saturday's March for Our Lives, in a positive light, compared to 34 percent who say they have an unfavorable view of them.
By comparison, only 39 percent of voters have a favorable opinion of the NRA, the powerful gun rights lobbying group that has vehemently opposed the student-led protests. Forty-four percent of respondents have a negative view."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/379939-ap-poll-finds-highest-support-for-gun-control-in-five-years

"Nearly 7 in 10 adults surveyed in the Associated Press–NORC poll are now in favor of stronger gun control laws, the highest measure of support in the five years the AP has asked the question. Overall, 69 percent of those polled favored stricter gun control measures, a large jump from the 55 percent who indicated support in an October 2013 poll."

This is a NOT a winning issue for Republicans. But, by all means, keep mocking high school kids! Keep calling them names!

I'm sure suburban soccer Moms will react favorably to that...

HappyGilmore says

, Rubio has taken a great deal of $$ from the NRA a

How much?

Nice that a poster asks me an easily answered question but ignores me so I can't respond to him. I guess that's how Trump supporters roll these days. Very trollish behavior.

But, in any event, here's a source with Rubio's NRA money.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/marco-rubio-took-millions-from-nra-did-nothing-to-prevent-parkland-10089415

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.html

Rubio--$3.3MM

HappyGilmore says

This is a NOT a winning issue

The blind masses have often been against the constitution. That's the point of the constitution. The idiot masses are not supposed to be able to tread on your sovereign individual rights

errc says

Ends dozens of lives

Dozens per gun crime death, yes. Abortion is thus a far larger moral issue.

HappyGilmore says

But, in any event, here's a source with Rubio's NRA money.

Why does it matter if voters pool capital to support guns rights and political proponents of those rights?

The extreme left has proven the value of an NRA membership. I don't own any guns, but I may join the nra today because the 2nd amendment is both of vital importance and under attack.

CBOEtrader says

Why does it matter if voters pool capital to support guns rights and political proponents of those rights?

The extreme left has proven the value of an NRA membership. I don't own any guns, but I may join the nra today because the 2nd amendment is both of vital importance and under attack.

It matters if that money is used to buy votes. That's illegal.

Planned parenthood alone performs abortions equaling about 10x the gun crime death rate each year.

CBOEtrader says

The blind masses have often been against the constitution. That's the point of the constitution. The idiot masses are not supposed to be able to tread on your sovereign individual rights

I don't think anyone is against the right for militias to bear arms. So, really, nobody is against the Constitution.

HappyGilmore says

I don't think anyone is against the right for militias to bear arms. So, really, nobody is against the Constitution.

As long as the current population uses muskets, and not the currently available firearms, right?

Sniper says

As long as the current population uses muskets, and not the currently available firearms, right?

The current population is irrelevant. We're talking about militias.

HappyGilmore says

It matters if that money is used to buy votes. That's illegal.

Define "buy votes". The NRA collects money from millions of americans and gives money to 2nd A proponents. Period. It's as democratic and grassroots as a political organization gets.

CBOEtrader says

Define "buy votes".

Giving money to a candidate in return for a guarantee that he/she will vote in the way you tell them to.

CBOEtrader says

It's as democratic and grassroots as a political organization gets.

lol. Grassroots is giving money to a candidate because you share his views. NRA instructs candidates how to vote and keeps a scorecard to blackmail them. Threatens to finance their opponents if they don't vote the way the NRA orders them to.

The NRA is the exact opposite of grassroots and democratic. It is part of the swamp.

Where does the NRA gets its money/influence?

Your answer here = grassroots.

CBOEtrader says

Where does the NRA gets its money/influence?

Your answer here = grassroots.

Russia.

HappyGilmore says

Giving money to a candidate in return for a guarantee that he/she will vote in the way you tell them to.

Yes it is perfectly reasonable, even preferable, in a democratic republic to state exactly what your group expects from elected officials. TY for proving that the NRA is a model for grassroots political support.

CBOEtrader says

Yes it is perfectly reasonable, even preferable, in a democratic republic to state exactly what your group expects from elected officials. TY for proving that the NRA is a model for grassroots political support.

Sure--but you cannot pay for that vote. That is illegal.

Sniper says

Will the Liberals EVER get a clue?

No, and I hope they don't.

CBOEtrader says

Yes it is perfectly reasonable, even preferable, in a democratic republic to state exactly what your group expects from elected officials. TY for proving that the NRA is a model for grassroots political support.

Yup, the NRA is one of the biggest organizations in the United States. I think only AAA and AARP are larger.

HappyGilmore says

lol. It is amazing that Trump supporters are in such a bubble that they have no idea how these issues are really playing in the country. All they know is how their extreme base reacts.

Here's a little real data:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380443-students-leading-gun-violence-protests-seen-more-favorably-than

"A majority of respondents, 56 percent, see the students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who organized Saturday's March for Our Lives, in a positive light, compared to 34 percent who say they have an unfavorable view of them.
By comparison, only 39 percent of voters have a favorable opinion of the NRA, the powerful gun rights lobbying group that has vehemently opposed the student-led protests. Forty-four percent of respondents have a negative view."
.

Left out of your quote:

Americans view the students who led nationwide protests against gun violence more positively than the National Rifle Association (NRA), according to a survey released Tuesday by the left-leaning firm Public Policy Polling.

It's very dangerous to believe one's own BS from a Push Poll.

Indeed, the long term term trend - aside from asking people just after a tragedy - is that support for banning "assault weapons" is decreasing.

Polling on the issue is clear. In 2012 support for an “assault weapon” ban had slipped almost 30 points, to 49 percent, and in 2014 Pew Research reported that for the first time in two decades most Americans support the right to keep and bear arms over more gun control. A massive majority of Americans – almost 70 percent – say they prefer to live in neighborhoods where people can own guns.

A Suffolk University/USA Today poll in 2015 found that most Americans, by an impressive margin of 52 to 43 percent, did not want gun control to be a factor in the 2016 elections. Hillary Clinton ignored these findings and bashed the NRA and gun-owners every chance she got – which is part of the reason Donald Trump currently resides in the White House.

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/gun-control-losing-issue-democrats-know

Then we have PA-18, where the blue dog winner-by-a-hair Conor Lamb went out of his way to support Gun Rights and to make clear he didn't support an assault weapons ban. If he had been a Gun Grabber, Lamb certainly would have lost one of the few elections Democrats have won since Trump entered office.

And in all many areas of the country that aren't Urban Heavily Blue districts, Democrats lose, lose, lose, on Gun Control. There isn't a campaign adviser anywhere that recommends Democrats campaign on Gun Control, because its a losing issue for them. From Chuck Schumer to Chris Murphy, Democrat bigwigs are urging candidates to avoid the Gun Control issue like the plague in the Midterms.

November is a long way off. And even CNN can't keep beating the Gun Control drum for 7-8 months straight.

The Trend Ain't Your Friend.



School Shootings are NOT Increasing, they're decreasing and they are exceedingly rare:

... even with our shitty Mental Health laws (that's laws, not spending)

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

As long as the current population uses muskets, and not the currently available firearms, right?

The current population is irrelevant. We're talking about militias.

The current population IS the militia.

Duh.

Sniper says

The current population IS the militia.

huh? A militia is an organized group that must be joined.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The Trend Ain't Your Friend.

That chart is 5 years old. Here's a more pertinent one:



I think the trend over the last few years is pretty clear. (blue line is support for stricter gun control) And it's not your friend.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

And in all many areas of the country that aren't Urban Heavily Blue districts, Democrats lose, lose, lose, on Gun Control. There isn't a campaign adviser anywhere that recommends Democrats campaign on Gun Control, because its a losing issue for them. From Chuck Schumer to Chris Murphy, Democrat bigwigs are urging candidates to avoid the Gun Control issue like the plague in the Midterms.

November is a long way off. And even CNN can't keep beating the Gun Control drum for 7-8 months straight.

Not anymore. It's a losing issue in very rural areas, for certain. But in the suburbs where the Dems are going flip a lot of seats in Nov., it is absolutely a winning issue. Commercials of Republican politicians and talking heads mocking high school kids who survived a school shooting will be big wins.

The NRA has a -15% favorability rating. It's too bad Rubio isn't up for election this year--he would be hammered with that.

Ode to my Dead Friend: "Thank you, Dead Friend, for making me famous and getting me crowd funding. Your death was not in vain!"

HappyGilmore says

Giving money to a candidate in return for a guarantee that he/she will vote in the way you tell them to.

Like Hilary?

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

The current population IS the militia.

huh? A militia is an organized group that must be joined.

You're flat out wrong. A well regulated militia is ONE USE of the right to bear arms, but the right is absolute and not tied to the militia.

HappyGilmore says

A militia is an organized group that must be joined.

Militia originally meant able bodied men. Militia now is likened to white supremists.
Which militia do you want to arm?

Sniper says

The current population IS the militia.

Duh.

mell says

You're flat out wrong. A well regulated militia is ONE USE of the right to bear arms, but the right is absolute and not tied to the militia.

I think one very inexpensive way to bolster the national defense is to have the Federal Government subsidize AR-15 and 5.56mm ammo purchases with a tax credit via some CMP program. And maybe set up ranges in National Guard Armories free of charge with full time coaches.

UPDATE: It wasn't all pork. Some of it is common sense Defense Appropriations.
Army mandated to turn over surplus M1911 pistols to CMP Program.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/18/breaking-house-passes-bill-mandating-transfer-us-army-m1911-handguns-cmp/

Eichenwald is a fucking laugh riot. It's Kyle who is insulting, not the Hogg.