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If you're RENEWING a driver's license, then you've ostensibly already proven citizenship. So no, you're not going to get an AB60 DL.
The idea that noncitizens can register to vote by way of their DL is bullshit made up by the likes of World Net Daily and Fox news
I don't know what you're getting by renewing by mail.
Black people in particular, being generally poor, suffer the most from competition with illegals.
I know, because I read DMV site: you're getting a license with "Federal limits apply". Just like illegals. So, the question stands: if a US citizen gets a DL via mail-in renewal will he, or will he not be denied voter registration?
Do noncitizens get a social security number? Because you can use that to register as an alternative to a driver's license.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysI know, because I read DMV site: you're getting a license with "Federal limits apply". Just like illegals. So, the question stands: if a US citizen gets a DL via mail-in renewal will he, or will he not be denied voter registration?
Do noncitizens get a social security number? Because you can use that to register as an alternative to a driver's license. I just spent less than 5 min googling that for you. It's not that hard.
Have illegals ever been known to use Social Security Numbers that don't belong to them?
I know that they do, I think I told the story before .
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Have illegals ever been known to use Social Security Numbers that don't belong to them?
I know that they do, I think I told the story before .
GASP. I'm clutching my pearls. You mean that voter fraud EXISTS?!?!
SSN != citizen. People on fucking H1B visa get real SSNs. True story.
If AB60 DL is not an obstacle for getting a voter registration and CA has passed a law to automatically register to vote everyone who gets a DL, what's really preventing the illegals from voting? Honor? =))
GASP. I'm clutching my pearls. You mean that voter fraud EXISTS?!?!
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysSSN != citizen. People on fucking H1B visa get real SSNs. True story.
If AB60 DL is not an obstacle for getting a voter registration and CA has passed a law to automatically register to vote everyone who gets a DL, what's really preventing the illegals from voting? Honor? =))
H1B visa holders are here legally. Not sure how that's germaine to this discussion. ???
Based on the DMV website, and what you have said, seems to me that an AB60 DL actually IS an obstacle to getting a voter registration. CA only automatically registers people who are issued a "REAL ID."
If this is true it means that in process of accomodating illegal aliens CA has disenfranchised US citizens who get their DL renewed via mail (like they did for years before AB60). They will discover that suddenly they can't register to vote if they move between counties. Fuck you, US citizens and your voting rights - we have more important people to care about!
I'm still waiting for the hard evidence of the scale of voter fraud that's being suggested by Trump. None so far has been provided, beyond the anecdotal crap I read about from a few people here and there on discussion threads like this. And if you see voter fraud yourself, why aren't you reporting it? Most election precincts in CA receive next to nothing in the way of fraud complaints.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysIf this is true it means that in process of accomodating illegal aliens CA has disenfranchised US citizens who get their DL renewed via mail (like they did for years before AB60). They will discover that suddenly they can't register to vote if they move between counties. Fuck you, US citizens and your voting rights - we have more important people to care about!
As I mentioned before, why don't you just go to a DMV and get it done in person? This is the reality we now deal with, you want to combat illegal voter fraud then spending a few minutes in person at the DMV is the price you're going to have to pay.
If you don't look for something, and deliberately muddy the waters to make checking more difficult, you won't find anything.
Therefore, since we didn't find anything because we refuse to look for it, there's no evidence of it!
First of all, it's not "a few minutes", secondly it's not really well publicized so many people will be caught off-guard and thirdly this wouldn't be a problem if not ...
The only thing that will really stop them is removing the incentives for them to come in the first place. Punish businesses who hire them? Sure, sounds fine.
I think a border wall is such an asinine idea. So I'm not some illegal "hater" necessarily. It's a boondoggle for contractors to make money. Won't stop a whole lot. That said, illegal immigrants voting should be taken a whole hell of a lot more seriously then it is. It has ACTUAL consequences on citizens if people are getting elected fraudulently. And it IS happening.
The only thing that will really stop them is removing the incentives for them to come in the first place.
Providing DLs, education and medical services, protection from deportation are incentives, no?
The border wall will be more effective in reducing human trafficking and drugs. BUT, it's a symbolic victory at this point. If the Wall happens, E-Verify and Voter Verification can happen. If the Business and Political forces dependent on illegal immigration stop the wall, the chances of E-Verify and Voter Verification are minimal.
No, it probably won't. How many tunnels are there connecting the country? The fact that we've found a few dozen of these tunnels likely suggests that there are literally hundreds that we haven't. Also, ever heard of the pacific ocean? Traffickers use these things called 'boats' to transport their goods.
A wall won't do shit, except waste billions.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysProviding DLs, education and medical services, protection from deportation are incentives, no?
People don't trek hundreds/thousands of miles across an essentially militarized border to get a drivers license. Children rarely come here on their own, so education is merely a secondary benefit, as are medical services.
All these things makes their stay here much more comfortable. It's fucking obvious.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysAll these things makes their stay here much more comfortable. It's fucking obvious.
But it's not why they come in the first place. Isn't that fucking obvious, too?
I don't fucking care why are they coming.
But it's not why they come in the first place. Isn't that fucking obvious, too?
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And then they can vote.
Is America the only country which lets foreigners vote? Foreigners who have disrespected American law.