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Fuck you ALL! Landlords are entitled to suck every last dime from humanity to create dynastic wealth that gives their great great grandkids the FREE!dom to do nothing forever except fuck AMERICA! in the ass every harder every fucking year.
Landlord" conflates owning land with owning the building. They are very different things. Income from the building should not be taxed. Income from the land should be taxed 100%.
Production should not be taxed. Stealing money from productive people's activity is what should be taxed.
There will still be landlords if the rent on the land is taxed 100% and the rent on the building is taxed at 0%.
Such a great system does exist somewhere called Hong Kong. It's not perfectly implemented, but the "ground rent" in Hong Kong is taxed very highly, and income is taxed at a very low rate, and it is a very prosperous economy.
Get it? It's not that hard. Should I try with another example.
There will still be plenty of landlords under Georgism, because rent on the building will not be taxed at all.
Are you a social parasite if you have a capital gain on stock for instance or if you have a lot of savings that earn interest? If someone inherits money without working for it, are they a social parasite?
I’m also curious how you would differentiate between the structure and the land.
how can it be immoral in any way for a negotiated value of the use of the land for a growing operation?
Hong Kong is leasehold. PRC owns all the land. There is no tax on the rent on the land. Why would china tax itself? That makes zero sense.
The profits from mere ownership of land go to the government.
Did they create the land? Did they buy the land from someone who created it
You have to do something useful with the land, not simply own it, to make a profit in China. The system we have in the US is that mere ownership gives you the right to steal from the rest of the economy without doing anything useful. Just sucking the blood of people who are creative enough to build something.
Lol, you're agreeing with me! PRC owns the land, so you cannot profit from simply owning land. The profits from mere ownership of land go to the government. You have to do something useful with the land, not simply own it, to make a profit in China. The system we have in the US is that mere ownership gives you the right to steal from the rest of the economy without doing anything useful. Just sucking the blood of people who are creative enough to build something.
So is the Chinese system a failure? No one starts a business there because they cannot get rent from land?
How is the profits go to the government not communism? You have to do something with the land everywhere to make rental income unless you are running a primitive campground. How do you steal from the rest of the economy by mere ownership of land? How much rental income is an empty lot generating in the bay area these days?
non-productive rent-seeking helps no one but the parasite, and harms whole countries. It is an evil we should eliminate.
Empty lots generate tons of income for their parasitical owners simply by increasing in value due to the work of others near the land.
To be fair, the construction and maintenance of a building is productive work, so rent on a building should not be taxed at all.
But rent from mere non-productive ownership of land should be taxed at 100%. Owning land benefits no one and produces nothing.
Are car rental places social parasites as well? Are hotels social parasites?
Philosophically, no human can own land, because the first piece of land ever to be sold was stolen property. It was never paid for.
Ah the missing numbers have arrived, now I see how you can make an economic case based on such solid research. Like how much of the US economy is the profits on land sales and how it harms the whole country. But hey it's true, it's true.
To be fair, the construction and maintenance of a building is productive work, so rent on a building should not be taxed at all.
But rent from mere non-productive ownership of land should be taxed at 100%. Owning land benefits no one and produces nothing.
We don't count the money we weren't reimbursed, therefore we have no numerical data, therefore medical costs of illegals are no problem because there is no data on what we don't track.
I damn sure count my money. How about you sell me your house and I'll give you a envelope full of money that I guess is the right amount and you won't count. You can call yourself reimbursed. Let me know when. Have faith.
There are plenty of numbers. Just because you don't want to accept them doesn't mean they aren't there. If you think the numbers are wrong present the correct numbers with something a little more substantial than I guess. I'll be waiting, and waiting, and waiting.
If land is non-productive, it would be useless and there would be no rent collected on it.
The city-state Singapore, founded on Georgist tax principles, reached a tax rate on land of 16%. Hong Kong existed only on crown land, funding 4/5 of their budget with 2/5 of site Rent (Yu-Hung Hong, Landlines, 1999 March, Lincoln Inst., Cambridge, MA). The city uses land rent, not subsidy, to fund their new metro and in its suburbs grows much of its own food. Hong Kong enjoys low taxes, low prices, high investment, and often the highest per capita salaries. The city is often voted the world’s best city for business and the freest for residents.
The key is that we have the power to tax non-productive rent-seeking at a much higher rate than the rate on productive work.
We've been over this several times, the hospital study admitted it did not track non-reimbursed expenses. It could be $10 or $10B. We have no idea, because they didn't account. You assume it's near 0. I suspect it's in the billions.
Patrick saysThe key is that we have the power to tax non-productive rent-seeking at a much higher rate than the rate on productive work.
I'm gonna disagree, and use your methodology for better house buying experience against you. More information about which landlords are good, and which are scummy is what's needed. Government never fixes anything. They will certainly promise to, but end result will be more money for them, and same problems for you.
Need better ways to identify, and make widely known which landlords are scummy, free market will take care of the rest.
It's not fundamentally different than buying a machine that produces toothbrushes, and then operating the machine and selling toothbrushes.
Hong Kong enjoys low taxes, low prices, high investment, and often the highest per capita salaries.
According to Marx, Communism is the elimination of private property. "Private Property" specifically includes land.
But land was not produced by anyone's labor. No one should be paid for simply extracting land-rent from the public.
Georgism would simply tax land very highly, and not tax labor or commerce at all
* We can eliminate the entire income tax and sales tax bureaucracy.
How would land be taxed if it's owned by the government like hong kong and singapore?
That would make mid west farmers with thousands of acres really happy. Back out all the government owned public land the number goes up to $5615 per acre. That would really be a help to family farms.
Why aren't they as wealthy as Honk Kong if georgism is the key to prosperity?
It notice that the GDP per capita isn't adjusted by PPP.
Zurich is incredibly expensive for a huge range of goods and services. Hong Kong is world famous for cheap eats, shopping, services, etc.
Obvious straw man. No one is suggesting that all land be taxed equally. It should be proportional to the value. But yes, another way we will pay the land vaule tax is via food, which we already do now to some degree.
PPP is the most bogus metric there is. By the time all the data is gathered it's useless.. There is a good reason anyone dealing in money uses Market Exchange and anyone dealing in the academic ivory tower world (ngo's, policy wonks, foundations, etc.) uses PPP. The big mac index is probably just as good if not better..
And raw GDP is also useless because of cost of living differences between developed countries. Yes, it's useful for figuring out Swaziland isn't Sweden, but not the relative advantages of living in either Sweden or Switzerland.
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To be fair, the construction and maintenance of a building is productive work, so rent on a building should not be taxed at all.
But rent from mere non-productive ownership of land should be taxed at 100%. Owning land benefits no one and produces nothing.
Once we as a society learn to distinguish between productive work and non-productive rent-seeking, we will be much better off. But it's slow going. People seem remarkably resistant to the obvious fact that the building and the land are very different entities.