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bob2356 saysActually worse since medicare is prohibited from negotiating drug prices. LOf course that would have to change. Attempts to do so in the past were torpedoed by primarily Republicans.
CBOEtrader says
Wrong. Medicare has insurance carriers that do all of those things. Also funny how you classify normal business operations as "providing zero actual health care" while lamenting the waste of a bureaucracy.
Wrong. Advantage carriers don't have to advertise for customers, they come from medicare. They don't have to collect and manage premiums, they come from medicare. They don't have to do fee for service billing, advantage is capitation. They don't have to manage actuarials and negotiate prices, they have capitation. Yet advantage costs more per beneficiary than the wasteful bureaucracy doing tradiitonal fee for service medicare and all the overhead work also.
What is lamanting a bureuaucracy? Lament means grieving or sorrow at a loss so that sentence makes very little sense. If you were trying to say praising then no I don't praise bureaucracies. But if they work be...
Total horseshit, unless you're referring to union rules.
A no brainer? Have you taken a serious look at how much FICA will have to be raised to cover medicare A and medicare tax and general income taxes to pay for part B & D? You might not be so enthusiastic.
If we are going to give free healthcare to all there should be a societal expectation for some sort of accountability for people to put an effort into staying healthy to keep costs down. I don't want to be paying more taxes for obese, smokers, drug addicts, ect that are self inflicted. It's another thing that is never brought up when comparing the US to other countries that have very successful public healthcare because their populations are healthier.
The truth is that our care is far too expensive. However, we still have the best care in the world. We are always ranked #1 in accessibility of care. We are also still largely leading innovation worldwide.
Wrong. The rate that health care costs were going up decreased under Obamacare. (not including the cost to the govt, of increased medicaid etc. for low income folks).
Every step mentioned is highly regulated and wasteful, sure. The process would be much improved and a fraction of the cost if it were a free market system rather so highly regulated.
This isnt how how Medicare works. The client still pays a carrier.
The truth is that our care is far too expensive. However, we still have the best care in the world. We are always ranked #1 in accessibility of care. We are also still largely leading innovation worldwide.
Get govt out of the way and costs would be 1/3rd as much.
We pay for health care now. This would just be another way of paying for it. Don't think there would be much difference.
Still waiting to see the examples of places this works so well.
It's another thing that is never brought up when comparing the US to other countries that have very successful public healthcare because their populations are healthier.
Medicare pays the advantage carriers. Period.
Wrong. Your Medicare account pays if you have enough employed quarters in your work history. OR the payment can be subsidized if you are poor, like any govt subsidy.
Free market without regulation creates ridiculous monopolies that abuse their pricing power.
Which countries do you feel are healthier and what is healthier to you?
Ireland, England, NZ, Australia, Canada are all within 2-3% of US obesity.nope, wrong again.
I am kind getting tired of arguing about this for almost ten years and yet most Democrats will not admit that Obama missed the opportunity to do something big in a positive way in healthcare
yet most Democrats will not admit that Obama missed the opportunity to do something big in a positive way in healthcare
Certainly anyone with a so called "preexisting condition" would be glad he went the route he did. Others might feel that we should have held out for either no change or a complete change all at once. And nothing in between.
The so-called Blue Dog democrats would have voted with the Republicans to torpedo single payer. The votes just were not there.
What do you mean that you sell medicare policies?
What do you mean that you sell medicare policies?
Your line of reasoning is the justification that happened much later after the law was passed closer to 2012 election
unpaid for tax cuts, stupid legislation such as Medicare Part D giveaway to pharma
What would be wrong with raising taxes by 10% or whatever it took,
bob2356 saysWhich countries do you feel are healthier and what is healthier to you?
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bob2356 saysIreland, England, NZ, Australia, Canada are all within 2-3% of US obesity.nope, wrong again.
It's not our healthcare that causes lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality rates, it's our lifestyle decisions.
What would be wrong with raising taxes by 10% or whatever it took, if it replaced the cost paid out of pockets and payrolls? Healthcare already costs $10,000 per person.
BTW, the biggest revenue recipient from both programs is the American Hospital Association, based in Chicago. It would require willful ignorance to believe a Chicago politician would have no connection to that patronage network. There was huge momentum towards change in 2008, but it got subverted in 2009 and 2010. Research got cut, protecting subsidies for entrenched revenue models against potentially disruptive innovation.
If you want a government run system, then copy one that works well
There isn't one that works well....
There isn't one that works well, that's the problem. People think government is the solution, but the fact is that government is the problem.
Hey, some people think getting millions in donations from Uranium One affiliates and Russian Oligarchs and Financiers has nothing to do with somebody voting for approval for a foreign company buying a strategic asset. The donations beginning with the application and tailing off after the approval.
WarrenTheApe saysThe whole reason why health care is expensive is because of the government. Period.
Because most politicians are in the pockets of special interests.
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