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P N Dr Lo R says

curious2 says

pool chairman

Sounds like one of those "jobs" they'd give kids in elementary school that really didn't carry any weight, kind of like cloak room monitor.

According to his attorney, Bloom had responsibility for hiring pool staff (e.g. lifeguards, maintenance), and enforcing pool rules (including the residency/guest requirement). A community pool can require a lot of maintenance and supervision, especially if many children are using it.

LeonDurham says

Why would anyone own someone's house?

If you want a list of reasons to own a house, ask a Realtor (TM).

Abhulimen called the HOA pool "my own pool." How nice of her to allow others to use it all these years!

Aphroman says

When you stay at a hotel, you use the room key as identification

It isn't a hotel. At a hotel, the pool is generally on hotel grounds, and guests walk from their rooms to the pool. This story involves a HOA community pool, with a parking lot full of cars. People drive there. They need driver's licenses with them in order to drive there. If a police officer pulls you over and asks to see your license, and you have only a blank key card, that would be a moving violation in itself.

The issue that got my attention about this story was the witch hunt. A friend "shared" the video and I thought it could be seen a number of ways, and required more information to understand why it happened, and I didn't think anything further about it. Then I read the video had gone viral, and a social media campaign of SJW witch hunting had resulted in Bloom resigning from the HOA board and getting fired by his employer, a packaging company called Sonoco. The story went around the world. Huge numbers of people rushed to condemn Bloom, some of them without even watching the video, let alone asking for more information. They condemned anyone who defended him, too. There were death threats against his family, and terrible comments on social media as 2Scoops noted. People who said asking for ID was reasonable were told that they should die for believing that.

I did read further, and found an issue that none of Abhulimen's supporters here or on social media seems even to have bothered mentioning. Her lawyer wrote that other residents identified her as a resident, and asked the pool chairman not to call the police. When I saw that, I tried to update the OP to remove the statement that no one recognized her. PatNet seems to have a new "feature" that prevents editing after a certain time limit, so I could not update the OP. The two board members did not recognize her, but according to her lawyer, other residents did recognize her. That raises questions. If the board members recognized the other residents, why did the board members not believe them? If the board members did not recognize the other residents, why did Bloom not ask them for ID? I do not know the answers, but neither does anyone here, because we were not there.

The dangerous issue here is the rush to condemn for alleged "racial profiling," and the extent of the campaign, with huge numbers of SJW virtue signalers congratulating themselves and each other for successfully persecuting someone they had never met for an allegedly "terrible" incident that they did not even witness or know much about. I do not know if he was innocent or guilty, because I saw only the video and then read what I could, and it didn't add up to enough information to judge him. He said he asks people for ID two or three times per week, and his lawyer says the same, and from what I could see on social media other neighbors (regardless of color) had also resented being asked for ID. If the guy annoys everyone equally by asking them for ID regardless of color, that isn't racial profiling. But when a white guy asks a black woman for ID, legions rush to burn him at the stake. A PatNet user called it "a classic case of racial profiling." That's plainly false. A classic case of racial profiling would require evidence, not merely an assumption based on the fact he's white and she's black. In fact, the presumption of guilt could itself be called racial profiling: ask yourself, if he had been black, and she had been white, would people have called it racial profiling? Hardly anyone seems to have taken the time to ask for evidence before rushing to judgment, and in an era of social media, ignorant mob rule had serious consequences IRL.

LeonDurham says

Must stop free speech. Cannot let dissenting views be heard.

Turd Worldism and SJW attitudes ARE the establishment, promulgated as holy Truth from your local State University to the State Department to Google.

You're not the moral revolutionary vanguard, you're the Old Guard.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

it's a sign of how insane the Left has become looking to prove America is still full of lynchings.

Yes, especially since TDS. Even after most of the phoned in threats against Jewish community centers turned out to have been phoned in by a Jewish teenager, and even after other incidents turned out to be false flag phonies, press continued to report that there had been record numbers of anti-semitic incidents. That's all part of the 'nuclear Hitler' narrative, fake news trying to paint a grandfather with Jewish grandchildren as the reincarnation of Hitler, who had no children.

Worse, that baseless mob mentality seems to have taken over the Democratic party, resulting in one party (Republican) rule. Democrats have collectively lost the ability to have a rational discussion based on evidence and reason, which is ironic, because they used to be "the reality based community."

In a fevered mob climate, saying people should look for evidence seems like heresy. Many would rather chop off their own heads, or import terrorists to do that for them, to signal their virtue. They cherish a fantasy, in which they are crusading for goodness and anyone who disagrees is evil; in fact, their actions are self-defeating.

LeonDurham says

So, give up and just let bigots be? That's your solution?

Didn't say that was my solution. There are some unsolvable things in the universe. You can't fix broken people and if you think you can then you wouldn't be here on patnet.

There is always going to be bigots, racist, etc. I'm not saying stop trying to prevent this behavior, BUT it is always going to be there. I'm not saying don't acknowledge it and try to prevent, but in this case it seems like pure childish bullshit. I assume this person has never bought alcohol and was then asked for an ID? It's very commonplace in our society to be asked for an ID whether it's an HOA, grocery store, private property or whatever. This whole news story reeks of someone being a little cunt and wanting attention. Well they got it I guess.

WookieMan says

Who cares? This is a needle in a haystack type scenario. There are far greater transgressions against minorities and this is the one that makes headlines?

This is the NEW platform of the Democrat party. Take the smallest, most obscure issue (the needles), and make it case of national outrage, versus worrying about the BIG issues (the haystacks).

It's all they have left.....

RafiMaas says

Unfortunately the pool rules didn't state that 1 must prove their residence. She did have a working key card what more did she need? Maybe ID Adam shouldn't have bothered to involve the police in such a trivial matter?

Trivial is the key word here. The fact this is even national news and that even on patnet, we have 40+ comments, is mind boggling. This is one of the dumbest faux outrage situations I've read/heard about in a while. Fuck the pool boy and fuck that bitch for even caring. People need to get out and start doing shit instead of constantly trying to find microscopic problems. They both could be dead and we'd probably be better off at this point.

curious2 says

This story involves a HOA community pool, with a parking lot full of cars. People drive there.

SOME people drive there. It is not required to drive there, nor is it required to carry a drivers license if one walks there. And I can assure you that many people walk to association pools.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Turd Worldism and SJW attitudes ARE the establishment, promulgated as holy Truth from your local State University to the State Department to Google.

You're not the moral revolutionary vanguard, you're the Old Guard.

I know, I know.. We must devote 40 threads/day to SJWs, but ignore racists even though both are a very small percentage of the population.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Turd Worldism and SJW attitudes ARE the establishment, promulgated as holy Truth from your local State University to the State Department to Google.

You're not the moral revolutionary vanguard, you're the Old Guard.

As a moderator, you're part of the Trump World Order that stifles free speech then, I guess.

curious2 says

Yes, especially since TDS. Even after most of the phoned in threats against Jewish community centers turned out to have been phoned in by a Jewish teenager, and even after other incidents turned out to be false flag phonies, press continued to report that there had been record numbers of anti-semitic incidents. That's all part of the 'nuclear Hitler' narrative, fake news trying to paint a grandfather with Jewish grandchildren as the reincarnation of Hitler, who had no children.

Yup. Same shit with all the threats by "White Racists". Most turned out to be hoaxes by Black SJWs.

LeonDurham says

As a moderator, you're part of the Trump World Order that stifles free speech then, I guess.

I approved all your comments so I don't know what you're complaining about.

LeonDurham says

I know, I know.. We must devote 40 threads/day to SJWs, but ignore racists even though both are a very small percentage of the population.

SJWs are racists, hence "Whiteness Studies". They don't teach universal human nature, but that there's something particularly oppressive about Europeans but not about Non-Europeans.

Such as ignoring the Mughals were more exploitative of Hindu India than the British, or the ritualized terrorism of the Triple Alliance that was part of daily life.

RafiMaas says

just like Hitlers followers

Lol, was talking to a guy the other day who pointed out that he's vegetarian, "just like Hitler!"

RafiMaas says

He only rhymes with Hitler. Instead of Jews it's Muslims. Trump's followers won't even question him, we saw a good example of that yesterday. They have blind faith, just like Hitlers followers.

Sorry. Jews aren't blowing up buildings or setting off fireworks in people's faces while mass groping women on New Years Eve.

They only do that to actresses on the casting couch, but that's been going on for centuries and actors have always been considered little better than whores.

RafiMaas says

"Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948."

Nope. King David was the HQ of the British Military who failed to live up to their promise to Quit.

The Muslims of Deir Yassin THEMSELVES say there was no massacre, that the PLO made them into cowards when they fought Irgun until they ran out of bullets, then fled. Their wives and children were long since sent to Jordanian lines.

How are things in "one state solution" Lebanon? Two Civil Wars, now run by a terrorist grou, Hezbollah. No thanks.

RafiMaas says

So you are saying they didn't blow up a building or the King David wasn't a building? I'm a bit confused. It pretty simple either they did or didn't blow up a building, the reason really does not matter.

Terrorism is attacking civilians, like a Palestinian blowing themselves up in a cafe or a Sinn Fein member bombing a WW2 Veteran's Parade.

Jews aren't mowing down people with a Truck or emptying hundreds of rounds into Rock Concert Crowds or shooting up their co-workers who just had a baby shower for them. .

RafiMaas says

Unfortunately the pool rules didn't state that 1 must prove their residence.

That was actually one of her arguments. It's like saying you can walk into a bar without ID, even if a sign at the door says you have to be 21, if the sign doesn't also say "...and you need to show ID." Or that carrying a beer proves you are over 21. Or that you can board a plane without showing ID, if there isn't a printed sign at the gate saying you must show ID. The sign said "residents and guests accompanied by a resident." The pool chairman asked for ID to show whether she was a resident or not. She is evidently new in the neighborhood, yet she seems to expect that everyone must recognize her, even people she has never met, or at least that they must not dare to ask her for ID.

RafiMaas says

He only rhymes....

TDS. The two have almost nothing in common, except white skin and Germanic ancestry, and being male. That seems to be enough for some accusers to assume guilt.

TrumpCuck says

All pharmacists are now subject to random full cavity searches?

Again with the TDS. Concentration camps, cavity searches, weren't we all supposed to have died more than a year ago?

TrumpCuck says

This is nothing short of bizarre. All pharmacists are now subject to random full cavity searches?

They can be if authorities have reason to suspect they've stolen Oxy and have it hiding up their wazoo.

RafiMaas says

"A gate key is required to enter the pool. Guests must be accompanied by their resident host at all times. "

There is nothing about having to bring ID to prove residence.

How do you prove you are a resident and not a guest?

RafiMaas says

assuming you just moved a driver's license wouldn't work, now would it?

NC law says that "you must update your address on your NC driver's license or ID card within 60 days."

RafiMaas says

just like Hitler

Making Trump = Hitler makes one look a bit out of touch with reality. Hitler's goal was to make Germany great again by killing all the jews and conquering the world. Trump's goal is to make America great again by bringing back jobs and overthrowing the anti-American deep state that wants to enslave EVERYONE.

Can't the anti-Trumpers see the difference?

curious2 says

white skin and Germanic ancestry, and being male. That seems to be enough for some accusers to assume guilt.

Yep.
It's what the kids are taught in school now.

The problem is that this has become an extortion business for any "protected minority" do jour, be it muslim, black, lgbtqq=xyzawesome or even women. It's not different than those lawyer skanks leeching around in supermarkets, restaurants and where not just trying to find any ADA violations they can sue the business owners for. People get fired, careers and business destroyed over that shit. If there is a legitimate grievance there should be some small claims court equivalent, fast decision with a cap on fines (like a parking ticket) for adjucating those cases but nobody should lose their job or business over shit like that.

Aphroman says

Oh @curious2, say it ain’t so! Not you too? Devolving to just hurling TDS at everyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fight! Fight! Fight! FTW

Oh errc, I have missed you. The Aphroman avatar doesn't compare.

Abhulimen was asked for ID, which is a common request most people encounter routinely: at retail, banking, medical, etc. She is a pharmacist, and pharmacists ask dozens of people for ID every day. When people move, if they don't yet have new ID, they carry their old ID and something with the new address on it, e.g. a utility bill. Americans relocate once per decade on average, so it is a common experience.

As for TDS, it does apply to the comments invoking Hitler. Those insult the memory of the millions who perished in the Holocaust. The paranoia about cavity searches is a lesser example of the same category. And the historical ignorance of TDS victims who forget that Hitler and the leading Muslims of his day agreed on the similarity of their beliefs, and formed part of the same axis, enthusiastically murdering Jews, is breathtaking and sad. Here is a photo of the actual Hitler meeting with the grand Mufti:

curious2 says

Abhulimen was asked for ID, which is a common request most people encounter routinely: at retail, banking, medical, etc. She is a pharmacist, and pharmacists ask dozens of people for ID every day. When people move, if they don't yet have new ID, they carry their old ID and something with the new address on it, e.g. a utility bill. Americans relocate once per decade on average, so it is a common experience.

lol--I have moved more than the average and I have never once carried a utility bill with me going anywhere. When I've gone to an association pool, I've always carried the association ID only.

RafiMaas says

Yes it is very trivial. Yet the police were called. Why waste the Leo's time on such a trivial issue? If the police were not called we may have never heard about this. Most likely the fuck dialed 911 because rarely do people know that there are non emergency numbers to call to reach local Leo's. The only thing that makes it news worthy is the fact the police were called. People should know when resources are wasted over trivial shit.

I actually 100% agree with this. I also believe she could have just provided an ID and moved on with her day. It’s not like she was in her front yard and this dick was asking for her ID on her own property.

While it’s a community property, it’s still private. If this were a arbitration type situation I’d put blame equally on both parties for being idiots. Unless the dude comes out and says it was profiling or it’s found out through a lie detector or whatever, we have zero clue what the true motivation was. He literally may have been doing what he was supposed to in that situation. He also could be a jackass.

In the end, when we recount the top news stories of 2018 I think most intelligent people will write this one off as fucking retarded.

Aphroman says

How would you react if you were at your pool with the required access card, and some punk bitch on a power trip started demanding you provide Identification

Admittedly, I’d probably be pretty pissed. That said, if a threat was made to call the cops I’d probably provide ID if I was authorized to use the pool but I’d make a massive scene out of it for sure. Make the guy look like an ass.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think pool boy was acting appropriately. That said, the whole situation didn’t need to escalate into what it did. Sometimes it’s called being an adult. There were two in this case and I don’t think either behaved as one. I’m a Monday morning quarterback here, so I understand my view may be flawed. Fact remains that two adult humans couldn’t figure out how to interact in a pretty simple fashion.

Not a good look for our society regardless of which side you’re on with this story.

Aphroman says

What did the woman do wrong here?

I’d say nothing. But it’s not too big a deal to just show ID. This had the potential to be a complete non-event and two adults acted like idiots in my opinion. An HOA pool is still private property. There are still golf clubs out there that won’t let you in if you have a vagina. This is FAR less oppressive or racist in my opinion.

Most the blame is on the HOA guy for sure. That said, she could have showed ID and moved on with her day. He wasn’t asking for sample of her DNA or anything. She literally could have just grabbed the plastic card out of her purse or pocket and told the guy to fuck off and still shame him and make a scene. Probably still had him fired as well.

I personally don’t think there’s 100% blame on one party or the other. Normal, intelligent adults would have talked it over and figured out a solution. At least I think I would have if I was in either persons shoes.

This divisive attitude so prevelant now is rather alarming. As I’ve said before, even the most disagreeable people here on Patnet would probably have a very good and normal conversation at an airport bar and not realize they hated each other on this forum.

Aphroman says

pharmacists requiring people to show them ID

@Aphroman, since 2001, federal law (USA "Patriot Act") has required pharmacists to keep behind the counter, and to document ID before selling, any decongestant containing pseudoephedrine. It is part of the "war on drugs," so I am surprised you did not know about it. Pharmacists, including at Walgreens among others, maintain a log including of IDs. For example, in the case of driver's licenses, Walgreens pharmacists log the license number.

Other drugs can also require ID, depending on the state.

Your comment referencing multiple pharmacies surprised me for another reason also: errc seemed to believe that healthy diet and cannabis would suffice to protect health, so I hope you and yours are OK.

LeonDurham says

When I've gone to an association pool, I've always carried the association ID only.

If your association ID had any identifying information, unlike the plain white card clearly visible in the video, then you are trolling again.