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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 12:52pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 12:52pm
marcus says
This is all propaganda BS. Literally the same accusations Breitbart males against obama... but this times true!!! (said every simpleton ever)
the massive increase in the swamp, the destruction of American norms of behavior, and the massively lowered international reputation of America and Americans.
This is all propaganda BS. Literally the same accusations Breitbart males against obama... but this times true!!! (said every simpleton ever)
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 12:54pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 12:54pm
CBOEtrader says
Okay.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-insurance/trump-administration-puts-skimpy-health-insurance-plans-in-place-idUSKBN1JF2AQ
This might not pertain to individual plans you sell. But it it did, I was thinking how classic it would be if the commissions were higher.
Brilliant right ? Lower health insurance cost by covering less. Kind of the reverse of what Obama tried to do. The people will love it.
Yes, Trump is such a genius.
? Please explain what you are talking about.
Okay.
The rule, which the U.S. Department of Labor will post Tuesday, allows small businesses and those who are self-employed to band together and buy lower-cost health insurance policies, similar to large employers.
But these insurance plans would not be subject to requirements under the Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called Obamacare, which included mandatory coverage for a set of 10 essential health benefits, such as maternity and newborn care, prescription drug costs and mental health treatment. They are expected to be far less expensive than Obamacare plans.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-insurance/trump-administration-puts-skimpy-health-insurance-plans-in-place-idUSKBN1JF2AQ
This might not pertain to individual plans you sell. But it it did, I was thinking how classic it would be if the commissions were higher.
Brilliant right ? Lower health insurance cost by covering less. Kind of the reverse of what Obama tried to do. The people will love it.
Yes, Trump is such a genius.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 12:54pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 12:54pm
marcus says
I have already explained why your healthcare criticism is baseless. You want to try to explain why Trump is bad on the environment? Paris accord was a garbage agreement. Good on Trump for leaving that deal which benefited the elite power players at the detriment of the working man.
. But environmental protection, health care
I have already explained why your healthcare criticism is baseless. You want to try to explain why Trump is bad on the environment? Paris accord was a garbage agreement. Good on Trump for leaving that deal which benefited the elite power players at the detriment of the working man.
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rdm
2018 Oct 7, 1:01pm
marcus says
Yes its not much talked about because its not immediate and in your face. But the continued attack on environmental protections hand in hand with the promotion of fossil fuels, coal in particular serve the interests of the few; the latest being an attempt to allow exposure to higher levels of radiation, using junk science to gut regulation (mileage requirements on autos for one example) all these in general, may well turn out to be the most lasting and most harmful legacy of Trump and his minions in congress.
But environmental protection
Yes its not much talked about because its not immediate and in your face. But the continued attack on environmental protections hand in hand with the promotion of fossil fuels, coal in particular serve the interests of the few; the latest being an attempt to allow exposure to higher levels of radiation, using junk science to gut regulation (mileage requirements on autos for one example) all these in general, may well turn out to be the most lasting and most harmful legacy of Trump and his minions in congress.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:04pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:04pm
marcus says
No it does. This is a VERY GOOD change, which as I've already stated consumers are widely praising.
Your argument is "extra options is bad" which totally, completely baseless. The article you posted is pure propaganda. Notice it gives zero details and instead offers worthless rhetoric. It's written to make you hate trump for no reason.
Or perhaps you can explain why extra options are a bad thing for consumers? (Hint: you cant.)
This might not pertain to individual plans you sell.
No it does. This is a VERY GOOD change, which as I've already stated consumers are widely praising.
Your argument is "extra options is bad" which totally, completely baseless. The article you posted is pure propaganda. Notice it gives zero details and instead offers worthless rhetoric. It's written to make you hate trump for no reason.
Or perhaps you can explain why extra options are a bad thing for consumers? (Hint: you cant.)
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Ceffer
2018 Oct 7, 1:04pm
Ceffer
2018 Oct 7, 1:04pm
Most Trump lies are white or gray, or qualify more as random, careless pufferies. They are not intended to harm, at worst to mildly persuade or brag.
The cold, malignant, black lies that the Dems have shown proficiency in recently are much more frightening.
The cold, malignant, black lies that the Dems have shown proficiency in recently are much more frightening.
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:04pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:04pm
I know you hate it when I just post someone elses research. But I'm not going to spend hours putting a report together for you.
26 Environmental Rules Being Rolled Back in the Trump Era
https://www.bna.com/26-environmental-rules-n73014477330/
I'm sure there are several from the last few months not on the list.
Trumps first EPA chief quit becasue of ethics scandals. Now we get another climate denialist who otherwise at least has experience at the EPA, in there to do Trump's bidding.
26 Environmental Rules Being Rolled Back in the Trump Era
https://www.bna.com/26-environmental-rules-n73014477330/
I'm sure there are several from the last few months not on the list.
Trumps first EPA chief quit becasue of ethics scandals. Now we get another climate denialist who otherwise at least has experience at the EPA, in there to do Trump's bidding.
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:08pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:08pm
CBOEtrader says
So you are calling not having to meet the coverage requirements of the ACA, extra options ?
I guess if you're selling it as supposedly good, then it's going to be best for you to believe the lies you tell when you sell it.
How does this work. Take away coverage, for cheaper plans, but then offer what had been required as extra ? I guess of you're upfront about what it doesn't cover (if you even know - (i.e. small print)) then you can feel good about it.
Notice it gives zero details and instead offers worthless rhetoric. It's written to make you hate trump for no reason.
Or perhaps you can explain why extra options are a bad thing for consumers? (Hint: you cant
So you are calling not having to meet the coverage requirements of the ACA, extra options ?
I guess if you're selling it as supposedly good, then it's going to be best for you to believe the lies you tell when you sell it.
How does this work. Take away coverage, for cheaper plans, but then offer what had been required as extra ? I guess of you're upfront about what it doesn't cover (if you even know - (i.e. small print)) then you can feel good about it.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:09pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:09pm
marcus says
Translation: I let others think for me.
Yeah sorry, I'm also not spending hours going through Trump hitpieces to know how they are lying to you. Choose one of your examples, get behind it and defend it. Otherwise just admit you dont think for yourself.
I know you hate it when I just post someone elses research. But I'm not going to spend hours putting a report together for you.
Translation: I let others think for me.
Yeah sorry, I'm also not spending hours going through Trump hitpieces to know how they are lying to you. Choose one of your examples, get behind it and defend it. Otherwise just admit you dont think for yourself.
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Oct 7, 1:15pm
Tenpoundbass
2018 Oct 7, 1:15pm
marcus says
I'm not a Chemtrail conspiracy guy, but the honest facts are for the last decade or more. The South Florida sky has been a constant lattice work of Crisscrossing Jet Contrails.
The rain has been sporadic, and when it did rain they were biblical flooding all week long events. Since Trump killed the EPA it rains in South Florida on a regular schedule just like it always had before. We never got day long thunderstorms or week long Tropical depressions just sitting on top of us.
Now we're back 1, 2 or 3 quick flash showers everyday. The Summer greenery is the most lush it has ever been in over decade and not a crisscrossing pattern in the sky ever. Just lone jets flying their normal airport ascent and decent routes.
The EPA was evil they cause weather events to brainwash people with their global warming sea level rising bullshit.
When the truth is when Ice melts it adds to the weight of volume of the Ocean. Excess water is pushed into the seabed and into the earth. It creates Earth quakes.
That Indonesian village that ground liquefied under it was proof of that. The earth expands as the ice melts because the ice melt like all water seeks the lowest point on earth. The magnetic center. Even satellites claim Earths biggest mountains are getting taller every year. Not so the earth is pushing out, look at the geological fissures poping up around the world every other week the last five to ten years.
26 Environmental Rules Being Rolled Back in the Trump Era
I'm not a Chemtrail conspiracy guy, but the honest facts are for the last decade or more. The South Florida sky has been a constant lattice work of Crisscrossing Jet Contrails.
The rain has been sporadic, and when it did rain they were biblical flooding all week long events. Since Trump killed the EPA it rains in South Florida on a regular schedule just like it always had before. We never got day long thunderstorms or week long Tropical depressions just sitting on top of us.
Now we're back 1, 2 or 3 quick flash showers everyday. The Summer greenery is the most lush it has ever been in over decade and not a crisscrossing pattern in the sky ever. Just lone jets flying their normal airport ascent and decent routes.
The EPA was evil they cause weather events to brainwash people with their global warming sea level rising bullshit.
When the truth is when Ice melts it adds to the weight of volume of the Ocean. Excess water is pushed into the seabed and into the earth. It creates Earth quakes.
That Indonesian village that ground liquefied under it was proof of that. The earth expands as the ice melts because the ice melt like all water seeks the lowest point on earth. The magnetic center. Even satellites claim Earths biggest mountains are getting taller every year. Not so the earth is pushing out, look at the geological fissures poping up around the world every other week the last five to ten years.
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:15pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:15pm
CBOEtrader says
Classic. Admit it. You don't want to know. (applies to both conversations)
Trump has lowered pollution requirements for Coal burning factories and future cars. This is established fact. I trust that the facts listed in the bloomberg piece I posted are good. The list is far too expansive to get in to.
I agree with libertarians to an extent. But taken to the extreme, they are downright evil.
Yeah sorry, I'm also not spending hours going through Trump hitpieces to know how they are lying to you. Choose one of your examples, get behind it and defend it. Otherwise just admit you dont think for yourself.
Classic. Admit it. You don't want to know. (applies to both conversations)
Trump has lowered pollution requirements for Coal burning factories and future cars. This is established fact. I trust that the facts listed in the bloomberg piece I posted are good. The list is far too expansive to get in to.
I agree with libertarians to an extent. But taken to the extreme, they are downright evil.
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:18pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 1:18pm
Tenpoundbass says
Oh, there you go with Occams razor again.
The EPA was evil they cause weather events to brainwash people with their global warming sea level rising bullshit.
Oh, there you go with Occams razor again.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:27pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:27pm
marcus says
It is established fact that Trump removed regulations, giving power back to entrepreneurs. You have yet to make a case that this is bad for the environment. Simply eliminating a regulations that "aims to help" a cause, does not mean that Trump is hurting that cause. More likely the regulation was simply more harmful than helpful. If you want to make a case against one of his decisions, please do so.
Trump has lowered pollution requirements for Coal burning factories and future cars. This is established fact.
It is established fact that Trump removed regulations, giving power back to entrepreneurs. You have yet to make a case that this is bad for the environment. Simply eliminating a regulations that "aims to help" a cause, does not mean that Trump is hurting that cause. More likely the regulation was simply more harmful than helpful. If you want to make a case against one of his decisions, please do so.
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mell
2018 Oct 7, 1:38pm
CBOEtrader says
This is one of the points where I think discussion is warranted. I think clean coal is fine but there were a lot of regulations rolled back and it probably would take a while to go through each one. I am def more of a environmental protection (globull warming bs aside) and raw organic food guy, nothing better than fresh organic meat/produce/fruit. But it's asinine to prevent the betterment of coal and oil mining technology by decree, let them - including "renewable" energy - compete against each other and become cleaner and cheaper. Plus permitting more drilling not only caused a boom it also reduced dependency on foreign oil. When you have reserves like these it's plain stupid not to make use of them. And remember the most important thing for a man is to be a productive member of society by having a job, their dignity and feeding and taking care of their family. There's not enough meat here as well to make a case against Trump, but the specific items can certainly be discussed.
marcus saysTrump has lowered pollution requirements for Coal burning factories and future cars. This is established fact.
It is established fact that Trump removed regulations, giving power back to entrepreneurs. You have yet to make a case that this is bad for the environment. Simply eliminating a regulations that "aims to help" a cause, does not mean that Trump is hurting that cause. More likely the regulation was simply more harmful than helpful. If you want to make a case against one of his decisions, please do so.
This is one of the points where I think discussion is warranted. I think clean coal is fine but there were a lot of regulations rolled back and it probably would take a while to go through each one. I am def more of a environmental protection (globull warming bs aside) and raw organic food guy, nothing better than fresh organic meat/produce/fruit. But it's asinine to prevent the betterment of coal and oil mining technology by decree, let them - including "renewable" energy - compete against each other and become cleaner and cheaper. Plus permitting more drilling not only caused a boom it also reduced dependency on foreign oil. When you have reserves like these it's plain stupid not to make use of them. And remember the most important thing for a man is to be a productive member of society by having a job, their dignity and feeding and taking care of their family. There's not enough meat here as well to make a case against Trump, but the specific items can certainly be discussed.
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anonymous
2018 Oct 7, 1:49pm
Obama is better for the environment, but much worse for the economy. I agree with the individual mandate for healthcare, but disagree with the level of socialization of health plans (i.e., making people with money subsidize the poor too much). His pompousness can be annoying, so I'll give you that. I love his transparency though and the fact that the dude works his butt off to get stuff done. Look at his trade deals. Overall, Trump is a WAY better president than Obama but certainly not perfect. You never get everything you want in a president or government.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 1:49pm
CBOEtrader says
It's easy to make the case. Here is a pretty good article detailing the rules that have been killed and the consequences.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/04/trump-emvironmental-rollback-epa-scrap-regulations
It's kind of funny that so many Trump supporters complain about California earmarking so much water for golf courses and farms when it was Trump that rolled back the regulation that kept water for people instead of golf courses.
It is established fact that Trump removed regulations, giving power back to entrepreneurs. You have yet to make a case that this is bad for the environment. Simply eliminating a regulations that "aims to help" a cause, does not mean that Trump is hurting that cause. More likely the regulation was simply more harmful than helpful. If you want to make a case against one of his decisions, please do so.
It's easy to make the case. Here is a pretty good article detailing the rules that have been killed and the consequences.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/04/trump-emvironmental-rollback-epa-scrap-regulations
It's kind of funny that so many Trump supporters complain about California earmarking so much water for golf courses and farms when it was Trump that rolled back the regulation that kept water for people instead of golf courses.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:49pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:49pm
mell says
They wont bring up specifics though. The left wants to use it-piece journalism, which typically either throws so many links at you that you cant check the work, OR gives so little info that there is nothing to check. They will ignore nuance, ignore rationalization, ignore anything that doesnt equal = TRUMP IS A NAZI.
Thats the point. These are not meant to be legit criticisms. If they were, then the left would be able to defend the individual claims beyond "this journalist did my research for me, LOOK AT ALL THE LINKS".
I'm not by any means saying there isnt legit criticism of Trump. I am saying specifically that the mountains of fake news criticism make legit criticisms VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. The left doesn't help by parroting the fake news rather than think for themselves.
Justice K is a great example. Plenty of legit criticisms about Kavanaugh. His personal life decisions are NOT on that list. By making this process about fake rape charges rather than legit criticisms, the left steals our opportunity for valiud debate. Their brainwashing is significantly lowering intellect of debate in our country. Very sad
but the specific items can certainly be discussed.
They wont bring up specifics though. The left wants to use it-piece journalism, which typically either throws so many links at you that you cant check the work, OR gives so little info that there is nothing to check. They will ignore nuance, ignore rationalization, ignore anything that doesnt equal = TRUMP IS A NAZI.
Thats the point. These are not meant to be legit criticisms. If they were, then the left would be able to defend the individual claims beyond "this journalist did my research for me, LOOK AT ALL THE LINKS".
I'm not by any means saying there isnt legit criticism of Trump. I am saying specifically that the mountains of fake news criticism make legit criticisms VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. The left doesn't help by parroting the fake news rather than think for themselves.
Justice K is a great example. Plenty of legit criticisms about Kavanaugh. His personal life decisions are NOT on that list. By making this process about fake rape charges rather than legit criticisms, the left steals our opportunity for valiud debate. Their brainwashing is significantly lowering intellect of debate in our country. Very sad
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 1:51pm
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
How exactly was Obama bad for the economy?
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
What is good about the trade deals? He folded like a cheap suit on them--the US gained nothing.
Obama is better for the environment, but much worse for the economy
How exactly was Obama bad for the economy?
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
Look at his trade deals.
What is good about the trade deals? He folded like a cheap suit on them--the US gained nothing.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:51pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:51pm
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
this seems fair.
Obama is better for the environment, but much worse for the economy. I agree with the individual mandate for healthcare, but disagree with the level of socialization of health plans (i.e., making people with money subsidize the poor too much). His pompousness can be annoying, so I'll give you that. I love his transparency though and the fact that the dude works his butt off to get stuff done. Look at his trade deals. Overall, Trump is a WAY better president than Obama but certainly not perfect. You never get everything you want in a president or government.
this seems fair.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 1:52pm
CBOEtrader says
I've been nothing but specific and you've ignored all my points.
That is typical Trump supporter behavior.
They wont bring up specifics though.
I've been nothing but specific and you've ignored all my points.
That is typical Trump supporter behavior.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 1:53pm
CBOEtrader says
This I can agree with. The Koch Bros. and Trump have succeeded in brainwashing 40% of the population.
Their brainwashing is significantly lowering intellect of debate in our country. Very sad
This I can agree with. The Koch Bros. and Trump have succeeded in brainwashing 40% of the population.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:54pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:54pm
LeonDurham says
Provide support for one of your 20 bullet points. Saying TRUMP IS A LIAR is a tantrum not a criticism. Choose a topic, then support it please. So far you havent done that
I've been nothing but specific and you've ignored all my points.
Provide support for one of your 20 bullet points. Saying TRUMP IS A LIAR is a tantrum not a criticism. Choose a topic, then support it please. So far you havent done that
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 1:56pm
CBOEtrader says
I didn't say he was a liar--I said these 12 statements he made last night are lies. I chose a topic and supported it.
Not to mention that I chose the topic of his tax plan and explained to you exactly why it is horrible policy.
Provide support for one of your 20 bullet points. Saying TRUMP IS A LIAR is a tantrum not a criticism. Choose a topic, then support it please. So far you havent done that
I didn't say he was a liar--I said these 12 statements he made last night are lies. I chose a topic and supported it.
Not to mention that I chose the topic of his tax plan and explained to you exactly why it is horrible policy.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:58pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 1:58pm
LeonDurham says
You didnt support a single one of your assertions in that post. Please choose one, and support it so we can discuss.
LeonDurham says
Lol, no you didnt. You are arguing that tax rates shouldnt be 100% BUT the level that Trump lowered them from is tyrannical. You didnt explain why or how you came to that conclusion besides FUCK TRUMP. Do you have rationale or is your argument just FUCK TRUMP?
I chose a topic and supported it.
You didnt support a single one of your assertions in that post. Please choose one, and support it so we can discuss.
LeonDurham says
Not to mention that I chose the topic of his tax plan and explained to you exactly why it is horrible policy.
Lol, no you didnt. You are arguing that tax rates shouldnt be 100% BUT the level that Trump lowered them from is tyrannical. You didnt explain why or how you came to that conclusion besides FUCK TRUMP. Do you have rationale or is your argument just FUCK TRUMP?
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Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:00pm
Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:00pm
CBOEtrader says
Clearly, Trump has achieved tremendous success as compared to Pussy Cat Obama. NK literally gained nuclear weapons while Pussy Cat Obama shivered. Obama could not even get China's cooperation. Useless President. Put the world in a very unsafe position.
LeonDurham saysWhat did the US get from NKA?
A complacent, disarmed Kim, as opposed to one who wants to bomb us.
What do you feel we lost in the deal? Do you not remember the missile scare? That was where team Obama left us and where HRC was taking us.
Clearly, Trump has achieved tremendous success as compared to Pussy Cat Obama. NK literally gained nuclear weapons while Pussy Cat Obama shivered. Obama could not even get China's cooperation. Useless President. Put the world in a very unsafe position.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:05pm
CBOEtrader says
My lord. OK.
Trump said wages are rising for the first time in 19 years. That is false
Trump said the trade deficit with China was $500 billion. That is false.
I can continue if you want. My favorite was him completely making up a bill that he claimed Feinstein wrote called the Open Borders Bill.
You didnt support a single one of your assertions in that post. Please choose one, and support it so we can discuss.
My lord. OK.
Trump said wages are rising for the first time in 19 years. That is false
Trump said the trade deficit with China was $500 billion. That is false.
I can continue if you want. My favorite was him completely making up a bill that he claimed Feinstein wrote called the Open Borders Bill.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:08pm
Strategist says
How? What is clear? What has improved??
Clearly, Trump has achieved tremendous success as compared to Pussy Cat Obama. NK literally gained nuclear weapons while Pussy Cat Obama shivered. Obama could not even get China's cooperation. Useless President. Put the world in a very unsafe position.
How? What is clear? What has improved??
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 2:09pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 7, 2:09pm
Completely bat shit, and the more they lose, because they are bat shit, the more they demand more bat shittery.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:09pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:09pm
LeonDurham says
Post the video or transcript of his quote so we can see what he was talking about. These are often the types of comments that Trump says in a braggadocious way, and not meant to be taken exactly as worded (this is called nuance, learn it).
Ex: Trump yesterday in his speech said something like "X never does that, which is more than Y." Obviously never cant be more than anything. Trump just speaks like this. Amazing how his supporters understand his communication style just fine, yet those looking for outrage find it everywhere.
rump said wages are rising for the first time in 19 years. That is false
Post the video or transcript of his quote so we can see what he was talking about. These are often the types of comments that Trump says in a braggadocious way, and not meant to be taken exactly as worded (this is called nuance, learn it).
Ex: Trump yesterday in his speech said something like "X never does that, which is more than Y." Obviously never cant be more than anything. Trump just speaks like this. Amazing how his supporters understand his communication style just fine, yet those looking for outrage find it everywhere.
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Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:10pm
Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:10pm
LeonDurham says
I heard Trump say it was $350 billion.
Why do you think Trump must know every single statistic, or else he is a liar? Kinda silly to have such expectations of any human.
Trump said the trade deficit with China was $500 billion
I heard Trump say it was $350 billion.
Why do you think Trump must know every single statistic, or else he is a liar? Kinda silly to have such expectations of any human.
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 2:13pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 2:13pm
Strategist says
I see no evidence of any of this. Do you actually believe the stuff you say ?
Everyone knows these geopolitical games are complicated, and the superficial part that we see has little to do with the deeper strategic game going on. NK has had Nukes since when ? They went in to a saber rattling mode with TRump, bacause they now had long range missiles to test, and becasue Trump campaigned on possibly removing our bases from Korea and eastern Europe. And probably becasue they noticed that Trump is very friendly to and at least seems to admire ruthless and evil murderous dictators. So he played a little game with Trump. And look at what he got ? !
Timeline of the North Korean nuclear program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_North_Korean_nuclear_program
Clearly, Trump has achieved tremendous success as compared to Pussy Cat Obama. NK literally gained nuclear weapons while Pussy Cat Obama shivered. Obama could not even get China's cooperation. Useless President. Put the world in a very unsafe position.
I see no evidence of any of this. Do you actually believe the stuff you say ?
Everyone knows these geopolitical games are complicated, and the superficial part that we see has little to do with the deeper strategic game going on. NK has had Nukes since when ? They went in to a saber rattling mode with TRump, bacause they now had long range missiles to test, and becasue Trump campaigned on possibly removing our bases from Korea and eastern Europe. And probably becasue they noticed that Trump is very friendly to and at least seems to admire ruthless and evil murderous dictators. So he played a little game with Trump. And look at what he got ? !
Timeline of the North Korean nuclear program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_North_Korean_nuclear_program
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:13pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:13pm
LeonDurham says
Show us the exact quote so we know what you are talking about.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade Simply looking at the charts and saying $500 billion isnt far off. May be more fair to say $400 billion/yr, but $500 billion was surpassed more than a few times, and is basically accurate for the purposes of his speech.
Trump said the trade deficit with China was $500 billion. That is false.
Show us the exact quote so we know what you are talking about.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade Simply looking at the charts and saying $500 billion isnt far off. May be more fair to say $400 billion/yr, but $500 billion was surpassed more than a few times, and is basically accurate for the purposes of his speech.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:15pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:15pm
marcus says
He got put in his place, and the world is a far safer place because of it. This is why Trump was named as a potential peace prize recipient. Trump actually deserves it (or he may rather), unlike Obama who got it for being black.
So he played a little game with Trump. And look at what he got ? !
He got put in his place, and the world is a far safer place because of it. This is why Trump was named as a potential peace prize recipient. Trump actually deserves it (or he may rather), unlike Obama who got it for being black.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:16pm
CBOEtrader says
Please don't make stuff up. I never said anything was tyrannical. If you have to resort to strawman arguments, then you've lost.
I explained exactly how I came to the conclusion.
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/18/tax-bill-corporate-rate-stock-buyback/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/companies-buying-back-stock-at-record-pace-since-trump-tax-bill-may-aid-markets-comeback.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/28/tax-cuts-trump-gop-analysis-430781
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/331434-trumps-tax-plan-a-new-death-tax-for-the-middle-class
Lol, no you didnt. You are arguing that tax rates shouldnt be 100% BUT the level that Trump lowered them from is tyrannical. You didnt explain why or how you came to that conclusion besides FUCK TRUMP. Do you have rationale or is your argument just FUCK TRUMP?
Please don't make stuff up. I never said anything was tyrannical. If you have to resort to strawman arguments, then you've lost.
I explained exactly how I came to the conclusion.
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/18/tax-bill-corporate-rate-stock-buyback/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/companies-buying-back-stock-at-record-pace-since-trump-tax-bill-may-aid-markets-comeback.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/28/tax-cuts-trump-gop-analysis-430781
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/331434-trumps-tax-plan-a-new-death-tax-for-the-middle-class
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:17pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 7, 2:17pm
LeonDurham says
Correct, you made no argument whatsoever. I am trying to understand your side without the benefit of you explaining yourself.
Lets start again. Do you feel tax rates should be at 100%?
Please explain how lowering tax rates to an internationally competitive level is anything but good?
Please don't make stuff up. I never said anything was tyrannical. If you have to resort to strawman arguments, then you've lost.
Correct, you made no argument whatsoever. I am trying to understand your side without the benefit of you explaining yourself.
Lets start again. Do you feel tax rates should be at 100%?
Please explain how lowering tax rates to an internationally competitive level is anything but good?
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:19pm
Strategist says
No you didn't. He's said it's $500 billion over 19 times.
He literally doesn't understand the trade deficit is imports minus exports. He quotes the import number as the deficit. He is a moron.
I heard Trump say it was $350 billion.
Why do you think Trump must know every single statistic, or else he is a liar? Kinda silly to have such expectations of any human.
No you didn't. He's said it's $500 billion over 19 times.
He literally doesn't understand the trade deficit is imports minus exports. He quotes the import number as the deficit. He is a moron.
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:21pm
CBOEtrader says
He's said it 19 times. In news conferences, at rallies, you name it.
CBOEtrader says
It's off by about 40%. If you consider that "not far off", then Trump is definitely your guy.
Show us the exact quote so we know what you are talking about.
He's said it 19 times. In news conferences, at rallies, you name it.
CBOEtrader says
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade Simply looking at the charts and saying $500 billion isnt far off. May be more fair to say $400 billion/yr, but $500 million was surpassed more than a few times, and is basically accurate for the purposes of his speech.
It's off by about 40%. If you consider that "not far off", then Trump is definitely your guy.
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Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:21pm
Strategist
2018 Oct 7, 2:21pm
marcus says
Trump made China agree to the most severe sanctions against NK. NK can never survive for long without China's help.
marcus says
Ha ha ha. Trump didn't find it complicated. He knew exactly what to do.
I see no evidence of any of this. Do you actually believe the stuff you say ?
Trump made China agree to the most severe sanctions against NK. NK can never survive for long without China's help.
marcus says
Everyone knows these geopolitical games are complicated
Ha ha ha. Trump didn't find it complicated. He knew exactly what to do.
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marcus
2018 Oct 7, 2:22pm
marcus
2018 Oct 7, 2:22pm
CBOEtrader says
Wtf ?
Sure he's not threatening war anymore. But you really think the threats were real, and not just trash talk ? I'll admit there are good aspects. And it's something Obama couldn't have done. Can you imagine the field day the right wing media machine would have had, if Obama met with and kissed Kim's ass on the global stage the way Trump did ?
Think about that for a minute.
Many say the deal was far better for Kim than for us. I guess unless you actually believed that Kim was about to nuke us.
Trump really has achieved a historic breakthrough – for the Kim dynasty
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/12/trump-nuclear-north-korea-kim-jong-un
Again, the timeline for your perusal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_North_Korean_nuclear_program
He got put in his place, and the world is a far safer place because of it.
Wtf ?
Sure he's not threatening war anymore. But you really think the threats were real, and not just trash talk ? I'll admit there are good aspects. And it's something Obama couldn't have done. Can you imagine the field day the right wing media machine would have had, if Obama met with and kissed Kim's ass on the global stage the way Trump did ?
Think about that for a minute.
Many say the deal was far better for Kim than for us. I guess unless you actually believed that Kim was about to nuke us.
Trump really has achieved a historic breakthrough – for the Kim dynasty
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/12/trump-nuclear-north-korea-kim-jong-un
So Kim leaves Singapore having gained much of the international legitimacy the dynastic dictatorship has sought for decades. But the gifts from Trump did not end there. He also announced an end to US military exercises in the Korean peninsula – the “war games” which he said were costly and, deploying language Pyongyang itself might have used, “very provocative”. Trump also hinted at an eventual withdrawal of the 28,000 US troops stationed in the Korean peninsula.
And what did Kim give Trump in return for this bulging bag of goodies? The key concession, the one Trump repeatedly invoked, was a promise of “complete denuclearisation”. Trump held this aloft as if it were a North Korean commitment to dismantle its arsenal, with work beginning right away. To be sure, such a commitment would be a major prize, one that would merit all the congratulation a beaming Trump was heaping on himself. But this is where you need to look at the small print.
First, the text itself says merely: “The DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula.” Kim has promised not “complete denuclearisation” but simply “to work toward” that end. Negotiators the world over know is the fudging language you use when you’ve extracted something less than a real commitment. Kim has offered only an aspiration, with no deadline or timetable, not a concrete plan.
Again, the timeline for your perusal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_North_Korean_nuclear_program
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LeonDurham
2018 Oct 7, 2:25pm
Strategist says
You don't think it's important for the President of the US to be accurate when discussing the trade deficit? You don't think it's important for him to know whether the figure is 350 or 500?
Yes--I think the President should know what the trade deficit with China is. That's pretty damn important.
Why do you think Trump must know every single statistic
You don't think it's important for the President of the US to be accurate when discussing the trade deficit? You don't think it's important for him to know whether the figure is 350 or 500?
Yes--I think the President should know what the trade deficit with China is. That's pretty damn important.
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