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marcus says

I'm shocked(NOT) that you found some lies to throw at the data to invalidate it for yourself.

IT's your typical argument, or non-argument. I'd like to say that it's worse than the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with, but I can't.

Very similar to your argument how all of Trumps lies aren't really lies. I see a pattern. You actually can take any true fact and throw some nonsensical gibberish at it, and declare me and all the other reality based folks:

CBOEtrader says

weak, soft minds

Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !

Good job. I stand corrected.

I also see a pattern in your posts. Zero facts or tangible points to be found. Try responding to what I actually said, and perhaps point out what you disagree with.

marcus says

the usual nonsensical lie filled argument you come up with

LOLZ, OMG have I replaced Trump in your brain? Thats awesome!!!!

I'll assume this also means you cant actually point out one of my "lies" to discuss. As always, I'm waiting for you to prove me wrong (but you wont)

201710010018 2017-10-01 United States Las Vegas Anti-Government extremists 59 851 Business,Airports and Aircraft,Private Citizens & Property
https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201712220023
Emphasis Mine.

Uhhh, that's funny, the Official Investigation has closed the case without determining ANY MOTIVE for the Las Vegas attack.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/03/635507299/las-vegas-shooting-investigation-closed-no-motive-found

And yet UMaryland's database puts it as "Anti-Government Extremist" and making it the 5th deadliest attack in the database,

But I'm sure the SPLC doesn't challenge the "Terrorist Database" unofficial conclusion and will assign all 59 deaths to the "Far Right".

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

But I'm sure the SPLC doesn't challenge the "Terrorist Database" unofficial conclusion and will assign all 59 deaths to the "Far Right".

Well, he's white so the left will call it alt-right terrorism.

Same goes w light skinned Latinos and/or half asians or anyone who may have liked Infowars on facebook.

CBOEtrader says

Well, he's white so the left will call it alt-right terrorism.

Right, while ignoring the fact majority of his victims were a County-Western festival attendees, presumably majority rural White and at the very least leans Trump and pro-USA.

Yeah, okay, the University of Maryland list is total bullshit. It includes Columbine as a terror attack, rather than a mass shooting because Psychopath.

These are the first ten most deadly attacks:



Las Vegas we have officially no motive, the West Fertilizer plant is believed to be arson but there are no suspects or claimants to the attack, and Columbine wasn't a terror attack but Nutjobs.

Even so, the deadliest terror attacks come from 1% of the population.

marcus says

Brilliant. Very compelling. I get it. I guess actually if you're going to say that white supremacy and racism or neonazism aren't right wing per se, then you're right !

I'm trying to find a process, any process to actually give a statistical measurement of political violence. Your wikipedia article was helpful, but the definitions are vague at best. It seems to define all political violence as right wing. Ex: anti-govt = right wing, but anti-fascist govt = left wing.... so in this simple example, a terrorist who is fighting against his own govt would only he considered left wing in a tiny fraction of govt systems.

This is why I want your definition. I legit dont see any difference between left/right unless you are talking about team affiliations.

It's almost as if any wrongthinker can be defined as extreme right winger, THEN they only offer ideology as relevant IF (like cruz) they can find posts of him being anti-illegal immigration or whatever.

Try actually discussing something for once and answer this: if you looked into every Chicago murderers text, email, social history do you think you wouldnt find anti-[entergrouphere] hate?

Violence by a perpetrater who at any point expressed political anxiety is enough for SPLC to define that violent person as a terrorist. Imagine if the same rules were applied to the left. Just try. Now tell me there wouldnt be 10 leftists terrorists identified per weekend amongst the Chicago murderers using that weak formula.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

New America Foundation

Already exposed as an unreliable source on another recent thread by @curious2

https://patrick.net/post/1318051/2018-08-09-newamerica-org

Regarding the unattributed copy & paste from Wikipedia commented above, that fake count was already addressed in this comment. It shows that Wikipedia can be deliberately misleading. Note the elision between number of incidents and number of fatalities, and the cherry picked dates. The 2015 San Bernardino attack killed 24 people, seriously injured 22 more, and would have killed and wounded many more if the perpetrators had not been killed before detonating their bombs. The 2016 Orlando Pulse attack killed 49, and wounded 53. The 2009 attack on Fort Hood killed 14 and wounded 33. And, so we never forget, the 9/11 attacks in 2001 killed 3,000 (the number continues to grow due to the toxic dust causing ongoing cancers and respiratory fatalities). Counts that omit the wounded, or that count incidents instead of fatalities, understate the Islamic carnage. Nobody can match Muslims' propensity to self-organize lethal conspiracies and murder and wound and terrorize huge numbers as per Islam.

By embracing Islam, the left embraces violence, and betrays liberalism and humanity. It makes no sense for Democrats to support Islam while claiming to support values that Islam opposes and would destroy, but such is the betrayal and incoherence that resulted in Democrats being separated from power.

curious2 says

By embracing Islam, the left embraces violence, and betrays liberalism and humanity. It makes no sense for Democrats to support Islam while claiming to support values that Islam opposes and would destroy, but such is the betrayal and incoherence that resulted in Democrats being separated from power

+100!

Too bad most of the Democrat voters aren’t bright enough to connect the dots on this gradeschppl level puzzle. They think they’re so smart, but they lack common sense to such a degree that they’re effectively imbeciles. Toss a few Leftists into the wild and they’d either kill themselves by falling off a cliff or get eaten by rabid hamsters within a week. The survival shows are quite instructive on this. The more Leftist the contestant, the more likely they’ll require a life flight out of the contest.

Here's 2017. So many problems with this one, from Harrisburg (by an Egyptian Muslim Chain Migrant via a distant family member, motive not clear, could be terror, he sought out cops specifically) to Antioch (Black Perpetrator who said he was mad at Whites, so that's Left Wing Terror). Both are dishonestly listed as unknown.

Las Vegas we've been over. There are no signs that the perp was particularly mad at government, or was motivated by any kind of politics. He wasn't in tax trouble and never bitched about government or poltiics. His dad was a noted murderer and conman, so it may be he wanted to show dad he was also bad ass before his death? Nobody knows and the case is closed with no official motive

Also on the list (not pictured), there are some unsolved vandalism "attacks" that aren't really terrorism, but just simple humbug, for example, somebody damaged a Lubavitcher bus. Not only am I not sure that's really a "Terror Attack", since nobody was in the bus, but if it is I'm probably Black Muslims given where it happened.

As CBOE is saying, when does a hate crime or humbug incident become Terrorism? Does mouthing off to "N**gers" in the parking lot count as Terrorism? Does a midnight arson of an empty (mostly likely run-down, knowing Lubavitchers) bus equal Terrorism or Hate Crime or Just Humbuggery?

How about when Antifa professors bash people with bike locks? Is that terrorism, or just violence from rioting? It didn't make the list AFAICS

If torching a Lubavitch Bus is terror, why not smashing in windows and torching limosines and otherwise smashing and burning at a Riot?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

How about when Antifa professors bash people with bike locks? Is that terrorism, or just violence from rioting? It didn't make the list AFAICS

They wont engage you. Their minds eye currently sees a low level model of reality wherein "right wing extremists" aka white men, are a HUGE terrorist threat cause orange man bad.

Asking the questions you are asking will clearly illuminate the ease with which these stats are manipulated. Reality clashes w their low level model of reality, so they won't engage you in details.

Watch.

That should be a Pink Haired Professor giving her 10,000th lecture, endorsed by the College, about Toxic Masculinity and the dangers of Whiteness

First order thinkers: "We will shame the Whites and they will vote Socialist and redistribute their wealth to POCs and all will be well. Those who resist will be quietly and calmly incarcerated for their Hate Speech."

Blowback.

This one was screaming at the NYPD because they didn't arrest Gavin and his Attendees just for "Being Nazis". In fact, they escorted them out of the building to protect them from a Leftist mob trying to attack them.

"You are fucking assholes!" the professor shouted at the New York Police Department (NYPD). "You're protecting the Nazis!"

The NYPD had arrived on the scene to prevent violence and escort McInnes out of the building safely. But the professor seemed to think the cops' job was to shut down a speaker she didn't like—by engaging in explicit violence against him.

"You should kick their ass!" the professor declared, referring to McInnes and his entourage. "You should!"

Note that the professor—a dead ringer for Melissa Click, by the way—considered violence to be beneath her and her owns students.

"These are kids who are trying to learn about humanity!" she said. "They're trying to learn about human rights and against racism and xenophobia, and LGBTQ rights, and you're letting these fucking neo-nazis near here! It's not up to these students to kick the ass of a neo-nazi! They don't have to raise their fist! They were taught to be peaceful! Fuck you!"

https://reason.com/blog/2017/02/03/nyu-prof-screams-at-the-nypd-because-the

This Queen SJW didn't want her Soyboys to do the work, but the NYPD to do their violence for them.

www.youtube.com/embed/ZnIOoDD1ZuI

My favorite Death Metal remix:
www.youtube.com/embed/yQatFDWQH04

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

First order thinkers: "We will shame the Whites and they will vote Socialist and redistribute their wealth to POCs and all will be well. Those who resist will be quietly and calmly incarcerated for their Hate Speech."

Yeah... #TheseToo.

After admitting Islamic terrorists had killed a whole lot more people than “white men,” the basement-rated Lemon went on to claim that “right-wing” extremists are responsible for 74 percent of “deadly attacks” were carried out by right-wing extremists.

Lemon did not explain how “right-wing extremist” automatically translates into his generalization of “white men” as a whole. As an example, the mail bomber caught last month will likely be listed as a “right-wing extremist,” but is a Filipino who identifies as a Seminole Indian.

Lemon also cherry-picked a statistic that best fit his partisan narrative, which is a sub-sub-sub statistic based on deadly attacks only between the years 2007-2016.

What Lemon did not want his viewers to know, however, is that in less than three years, there have been over 630 recorded acts of violence, threats, vandalism, and bullying by leftists against Trump and his supporters.

What’s more, Lemon and his far-left network regularly encourage, justify, and dismiss this violence against Trump and his supporters.

Just last month, Lemon said leftists have a “constitutional right” to harass Republicans until they are chased out of a public space, such as a restaurant.

In September, Lemon defended the public harassment of Ted Cruz and his wife.

And on Monday, Lemon said “we have to start doing something about” white men, adding “there is no travel ban on them … there is no white guy ban, so what are we going to do about that?”

In August, Chris Cuomo told his viewers that the terrorism committed by the left-wing Antifa against the GOP is “right.”

In July, CNN commentator Marc Lamont Hill, who is also a supporter of anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, defended violence against anyone wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat.

In June, CNN’s April Ryan told a Republican women she deserved death threats.

Also in June, a CNN contributor attacked those calling for civility.

That same day, CNN’s Jake Tapper dismissed the harassment of White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders as political stunt manufactured by Sanders as a stunt.

In May, CNN’s Chris Cilliza released a video of President Trump in crosshairs.

This is just an accounting of the last six months.

The far-left CNN is widely seen as one of the most partisan, divisive, extremist, and irresponsible news outlets in the country.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/11/01/nolte-cnns-don-lemon-doubles-down-on-attack-of-white-men/

Links at the link.

If it wasn't for Timothy McVeigh 25 years ago, there wouldn't be a single "Right Wing" attack in the deadliest top Ten.

Best gift the Left ever got.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

professor

The video link at Reason doesn't work anymore, but this YouTube link does. Reason updated reporting that NYU said she does not appear to be an NYU professor. Someone said anonymously she teaches at a different institution, but I can't corroborate so I won't repeat its name. People on Reddit are calling her TrigglyProf.

She doesn't resemble Melissa Click, IMO. I would have no trouble telling them apart.

www.youtube.com/embed/nR9hMj6OLfM

There's always deranged INDIVIDUALS. But the right wingers haven't been forming mobs to surround individual lefties. When a large contingent of a college campus starts assaulting someone, is a completely different ballgame. It's less about the mental illness of an individual and more about the oppression of group think. While many of the right winger rallies have been filled with group think and questionable beliefs, they don't try to sucker punch the lefties that get in their face.

Exactly oakman.

Leftists also keep Allen Mohammed off lists too. Thought his notes were full of Quran quotes and he converted to Islam. His targets were everyday suburban American and all white I think.

And yes curious2; she doesn't look like click. Maybe a Cuny prof or another contact prof without real employment