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PrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
I think 85% gas tax goes to train network.
You can probably guess that I think they should raise train ticket prices if they need to fund trains :p
The government should fire every government employee, declare bankruptcy, liquidate all the pensions by paying out (30 cents on the dollar, perhaps), put in anti-government-union laws, and start over. They costs would drop substantially and the service would be improved (because you would always fire the bottom 20% of employees every year).
Sunnyvale94087 says
The government should fire every government employee, declare bankruptcy, liquidate all the pensions by paying out (30 cents on the dollar, perhaps), put in anti-government-union laws, and start over. They costs would drop substantially and the service would be improved (because you would always fire the bottom 20% of employees every year).
Has anyone ever managed to rip a large govt program to shreds and start over with efficiency?
FortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
There is no enough 'LIMIT' for left wing democrat socialists.....they will take it ALL!
PrivilegedtobeWhite saysYou're talking about how government spends your money. That's a different issue that needs to be addressed.FortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
They've used my taxes for last 30+ years to pay for things tha...
Has anyone ever managed to rip a large govt program to shreds and start over with efficiency?
Germany, Japan, 1945
FortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysFortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they per...Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
Hircus saysGas seems like the perfect way to make people pay for the cost of roads and other auto related services because by taxing gas directly on a per gallon basis
But people who get 40 mpg vs 20mpg pay less. Electric car drivers don't pay at all.
No it’s same issue.No. The way government budgets work is year by year, funded by those annual tax revenues. No one cares what you paid 30 years ago. Someone new coming into your neighborhood was paying into a tax system where they were previously at. Paying taxes isn't like paying into an investment fund that you get credit for in past years and enjoy the residual benefit so that you get to pay less. That's not the way taxes work. Go look it up.
You want equal, go pay me 30 years of taxes with interest and than we can talk about paying same amounts today.
MegaForce says
Hircus says
Gas seems like the perfect way to make people pay for the cost of roads and other auto related services because by taxing gas directly on a per gallon basis
But people who get 40 mpg vs 20mpg pay less. Electric car drivers don't pay at all.
It's the weight of the vehicle which wears the road, not the type and amount of fuel it uses.
Fortwaynemobile saysNo it’s same issue.No. The way government budgets work is year by year, funded by those annual tax revenues. No one cares what you paid 30 years ago. Someone new coming into your neighborhood was paying into a tax system where they were previously at. Paying taxes isn't like paying into an investment fund that you get credit for in past years and enjoy the residual benefit so that you get to pay less. That's not the way taxes work. Go look it up.
You want equal, go pay me 30 years of taxes with interest and than we can talk about paying same amounts today.
If prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
BayArea saysIf prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
... and all of them would pay much more than they pay now, no exception.
DASKAA saysNailed it. Not sure what Prop 13 humpers don't get about this. They're obviously blinded by their selfish desire to get unfair benefit at new homeowners' expense.BayArea saysIf prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
... and all of them would pay much more than they pay now, no exception.
I disagree.
Prop 13 segregated population. If prop13 was gone, first it unites all and bring common uniform tax rather than new neighbors pay to old neighbors.
Then we can talk about the next topic of high or low taxes which is related but a different topic.
Until then prop 13 beneficiaries who own neighboring slaves never stop cooking stone soup and sell in the name of grandma, hating govt etc. and minting $$$.
Blue saysDASKAA saysNailed it. Not sure what Prop 13 humpers don't get about this. They're obviously bli...BayArea saysIf prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
... and all of them would pay much more than they pay now, no exception.
I disagree.
Prop 13 segregated population. If prop13 was gone, first it unites all and bring common uniform tax rather than new neighbors pay to old neighbors.
Then we can talk about the next topic of high or low taxes which is related but a different topic.
Until then prop 13 beneficiaries who own neighboring slaves never stop cooking stone soup and sell in the name of grandma, hating govt etc. and minting $$$.
So yeah, pay me 30 years worth of taxes that I paid into the system with interest than we'll be paying equally.
FortWayneIndiana saysSo yeah, pay me 30 years worth of taxes that I paid into the system with interest than we'll be paying equally.
You’re mistaking the “rent” you pay to the government for the privilege of owning a house under their jurisdiction with some sort of retirement account or investment. You’re a renter to the government. We all are. Sure you paid rent (at vastly unfair low rates) for 30 years but you also got 30 years of home ownership out of the deal. I’ve had mine for two and already paid $19,000 for the taxes. I figure that’s about 10 of your thirty years. In four more I’ll have contributed the same amount as you have.
So there!
FortWayneIndiana saysExactly. Prop 13 has created such inequity. No wonder Prop13-humpers are willing to fight to the death to keep their unfair advantage. Same reason the South fought so fiercely to keep slavery. Tunnel vision to their own selfish desires.So yeah, pay me 30 years worth of taxes that I paid into the system with interest than we'll be paying equally.
You’re mistaking the “rent” you pay to the government for the privilege of owning a house under their jurisdiction with some sort of retirement account or investment. You’re a renter to the government. We all are. Sure you paid rent (at vastly unfair low rates) for 30 years but you also got 30 years of home ownership out of the deal. I’ve had mine for two and already paid $19,000 for the taxes. I figure that’s about 10 of your thirty years. In four more I’ll have contributed the same amount as you have.
So there!
Prop 13 is fundamentally unfair in that some people pay much less tax than other people for the exact same government services.
Has anyone ever managed to rip a large govt program to shreds and start over with efficiency?
Germany, Japan, 1945
I think unfairness comes from tax free generational transfer.
But keeping it locked seems fine, because earning years go away by 50, without prop 13 we’ll have taxes just going up constantly, people losing homes. It’s what we had before Jarvis amendment.
I’d prefer primary residence tax free, all rental props reassessed yearly with higher rate too. This way people can live in houses, and rent seeking is taxed instead.
But keeping it locked seems fine, because earning years go away by 50, without prop 13 we’ll have taxes just going up constantly, people losing homes.
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Right now, you have this huge dichotomy in taxes - someone pays 2k per yr, while their neighbor pays 16k for a comparable house.
I think right now we pay about 1% of the assessed value in CA unless there's special junk like melo roos or w/e they're called. But, 1% would be way too much if everyone were paying it and the assessed value was updated yearly without any yearly growth caps.