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Bitcoin and Crypto-currency


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2017 Nov 5, 3:36pm   105,518 views  521 comments

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Hi guys,

I'd like to start a conversation on crypto-currency, particularly Bitcoin.

What do you all think about it from an investment point of view today? I have some buddies in the finance world who are quite bullish on it and claim we are just scratching the surface. Judging by the recent performance, they may be right.

For people who are investing in Bitcoin, what are you using to invest and what recommendations do you have for a new investor?

Also, how are gains taxed compared to typical stock market gains?

I read this week that over 100,000 merchants in the USA are accepting Bitcoin today.

At the same time, digital currency does scare me a bit as it seems so abstract. Curious what PatNet thinks.

Thanks guys!

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361   rootvg   2019 Jul 17, 7:02am  

You don't invest in Bitcoin. You speculate with it.
362   WookieMan   2019 Jul 17, 9:06am  

rootvg says
You don't invest in Bitcoin. You speculate with it.


I wouldn’t give the pump and dump troll food. I finally scanned through his comment history. He lost his ass in Dec. 2017 “to the moon” fakery. If he’s telling the truth that he actually has btc, he was buying at $15-$16k based on his own comments here.

Then disappeared from here for almost 2 years and is probably still holding the bag hoping to break even on a bad bet and $$$$ sitting idle at a loss not generating income for almost 2 years because he thought it was coming back. All while he missed out on a solid stock market, where there’s legally required disclosures so you know what you’re actually investing in.

But hey, btc is decentralized. You have no idea who holds it and how much. And the super secure blockchain that can be manipulated by a miner crashing the “value” and trust in a “currency” no one actually uses as a currency.

It’s stunning how naive some are. You’d likely do better buying $10k worth of lotto tickets than speculating in btc. Actually, I’d bet there are faaaarrrr more lotto millionaire versus btc. You at least know your odds and the government won’t attempt to ban it in our lifetimes.
363   RWSGFY   2019 Jul 17, 1:30pm  

Newbie123 says
For some bitcoin is a great investment (like me).


It is? Where is the proof?
364   RWSGFY   2019 Jul 17, 1:43pm  

Newbie123 says
Hugo, That’s easy to determine. You just compare your cost base to your portfolio value based on current price minus expected taxes


Exactly. There is no proof you hold any of it and/or no evidence your cost basis is lower than the current price. For all we know you are one of these sorry fucks who bought at the last top and now desperately trying to pump that shit to get out and dump it on the next sucker.

Where are the fucking screenshots of your holding and transactions?

Crickets.
365   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 1:49pm  

Newbie123 says
If you are too lazy to enter the data

How about a round number? $20,000 $50,000 $100,000? About how much is your

Newbie123 says
portfolio


Worth approximately? Are you a player or just another cryptofool?
366   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 1:53pm  

Newbie123 says
your coins are stored on a hardware wallet

Crypto wallets don't hold coins.

A lot of suckers go for the terminology: "coins", "mining", "currency", "digital gold", "wallet"

I wonder if you even understand how blockchain works?
367   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 2:02pm  

Newbie123 says
Why would I want to prove to someone what I bought, hold or sold? What would be a reason/benefit for me to do that?

So we can tell how big a fool you are.
368   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Jul 17, 2:06pm  

Newbie, no investor ever tells others how to make a fortune. Because if it was so simple, you'd do it yourself and be so filthy rich you wouldn't even post for yourself. But yet here you are, probably broke too, begging others to join your losses.

This isn't an idiot forum where people will just believe you just because you said something. Reminds me of this scammer we had locally who used similar tactic selling multi level marketing stuff.
369   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 2:37pm  

Newbie123 says
Libra is not on a blockchain

Libra is an idea in development that will use a new programming language. The proposed data structure does not use blocks like bitcoin. The proposed facebook coin has little in common with bitcoin.

This is all academic as Libra is vaporware at this point.
370   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 3:14pm  

Newbie123 says
I am entertained by the lack of knowledge

So are we. Time will school you.
371   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 3:16pm  

Newbie123 says
Yes I do believe bitcoin will go up in value over time (a lot).

What makes you think that? What makes bitcoin valuable?

Again, I don't expect any answers. Ignorance is bliss until it kicks you in the wallet.
372   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 3:19pm  

Newbie123 says
it’s fun.

I too enjoy trolling. It's fun seeing the cognitive dissonance when you present some people with facts.
373   WookieMan   2019 Jul 17, 3:21pm  

Newbie123 says
FortWayneIndiana says
Newbie, no investor ever tells others how to make a fortune. Because if it was so simple, you'd do it yourself and be so filthy rich you wouldn't even post for yourself. But yet here you are, probably broke too, begging others to join your losses.

This isn't an idiot forum where people will just believe you just because you said something. Reminds me of this scammer we had locally who used similar tactic selling multi level marketing stuff.


Johnwayne,
I am not here to sell anything. Yes I do believe bitcoin will go up in value over time (a lot). And I am not trying to make others believe anything. I said multiple times I am not here to convince anybody.
I am entertained by the lack of knowledge (crypto) and I do correct people if they are wildly incorrect. I also get a kick out of what bitcoin haters post. Again, I have zero issue with you saying bitcoin is s...


51% attack. Explain why it can’t destroy bitcoin? Explain why a government, especially the US couldn’t drop a couple billion and out mine anyone else and essentially destroy the blockchain in the process? $30 billion is getting a snickers bar for the US government and it likely wouldn’t have to be approved by Congress if it’s for “national security.” What “miner” could compete with that capital?

Not one and you know it. Counter this fact with something intelligent.
374   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 3:25pm  

Newbie123 says
I am accumulating more.

Why? Do you expect to sell it to the next greatest fool or the last greatest fool?

But for belief, bitcoin is worthless. At least with silver and gold you get to hold a "barbarous relic".
375   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 3:27pm  

WookieMan says
Counter this fact with something intelligent.

Yeah, something intelligent!
376   WookieMan   2019 Jul 17, 3:46pm  

Newbie123 says
You can’t have any losses if you don’t sell.


Are you this dense? You can’t have any gains either if you don’t sell! Wtf are you even talking about at this point? Pump, pump, pump said your dad to your sister. Jesus.
377   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 6:04pm  

Newbie123 says
It’s the best investment in 2019.

Why? What makes bitcoin such a great investment?
378   Onvacation   2019 Jul 17, 6:38pm  

Newbie123 says
You are your own bank.

Do you still think your "wallet" contains "coins"?
379   Onvacation   2019 Jul 21, 8:11am  

How you gonna make digital gold into wedding rings?

Can bitcoin exist without REAL silver and gold?

A fool and his (sorry for assuming gender) money are soon parted.
380   WookieMan   2019 Aug 1, 3:31am  

Newbie123 says
Pretty entertaining to watch. I do like Peter Schiff....and his gold card.


Right? I mean right? Jesus, he's unlistenable. Was there not a better bitcoin pumper they could have found?

The WWII cigarette analogy destroyed this "debate" around 19:00. Right?

This guy seriously just argued around 27:00 that you should trust a google search algorithm. lol! Right?

I'm not a gold bug, but Schiff destroys this guy. Right?

The debate is useless though without anyone disclosing their holdings. Both are pumping what they want to increase in price. Although I'd take gold before bitcoin...



Right?
381   WookieMan   2019 Oct 20, 6:49pm  

Anonymous.... lol. I guess 300 people will just defend themselves in court that their child pedo habit was totally anonymous? They got the wrong guy? One reason I like bitcoin, dipshit's will think it's anonymous and we can throw their asses in jail. Another reason the value will continue to drop long term. Illicit fucks won't trust it anymore.
https://www.technologyreview.com/f/614578/bitcoin-surveillance-helped-feds-take-down-a-massive-child-porn-site/
382   Onvacation   2019 Oct 24, 5:37pm  

Bitcoin breaks $7500! Buy the dip! Or be priced out FOREVER!
383   RWSGFY   2019 Oct 25, 11:24am  

Back up the truck, folks!
384   RWSGFY   2019 Oct 25, 11:25am  

@Newbie123, where are you? Busy buying the dip?
385   RWSGFY   2019 Oct 26, 4:25pm  

Newbie123 says
@liberal_in_blackface Totally agree! It was another great buying opportunity. It always is! Only people like Wookie_”man” sell when it retraces. And while those bitcoin haters/no coiners were hoping bitcoin will go to zero, smart people added to the position.

Remember, bitcoin died many times ;) in fact thousands of times....and look where we are now.


Why double-posting? Trembling hands?
386   RWSGFY   2019 Oct 26, 6:08pm  

Newbie123 says
Trembling hands could def be. Drinking at the pool since a few hours


Trying to drown your mounting loses in booze? Is our resident "MJ to the Moon" guy drinking there with you?
387   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2020 Feb 18, 10:11pm  

Fox biz was pumping it today. Saying brilliant things like, "You don't even have to know the fundamentals to know it's about to take off by looking at the chart".
388   Onvacation   2020 Feb 18, 10:13pm  

It's gonna hockey stick any day now; to the moon!
389   WookieMan   2020 Feb 19, 4:50am  

Onvacation says
It's gonna hockey stick any day now; to the moon!

It's a manipulated market by the few that hold the most. So they decide when the hockey stick starts and cash out when they've made bank. That is evident now.

At my age crypto was all the rage 2 years ago with my peers. I've not heard 1 person talk about it in person the last 6 months. The only conversation was with my one good buddy who is a financial moron that was selling all his mining equipment... at a loss.
390   WookieMan   2020 Mar 9, 9:18pm  

Newbie123 says
Yes, historically, a golden cross has been extremely bullish for the price.

The increased media coverage is also due to the price trading above 10k and the halving coming up in May.

lol. Down 20% since this comment. I suppose you "loaded up the truck" and are going to the moon.

Just buy real assets. It's not complicated.
391   RWSGFY   2020 May 12, 9:46pm  

Newbie123 says
Guys, is now a good time to buy?


Absolutely. Go buy as much as you can. And don't forget to make screenshots of your holdings, because we'll ask next time you come peddling this shit.

Oh, btw, how about these screenshots of your past winnings you promised to show?
392   Cash   2020 May 12, 10:07pm  

I wouldn't rush (fomo) to buy BTC but at the same time not opposed I own a bit of JIC cryptos. The way I see it there is plenty of time to see how much if any of the halving has already been priced in. Top that off with the USD is so likely to make a tear higher and if I am proven right there will be plenty of discount pricing in BTC. Bitcoiners will find that the USD behind BTC/USD has real meaning.
393   WookieMan   2020 May 13, 5:35am  

Newbie123 says
You have an overwhelming amount of people here who absolutely hate bitcoin. They can’t help themselves but get triggered very easily.


BTC guy getting triggered before anyone has even said anything... That's the ultimate trigger. Lol.
394   RWSGFY   2020 May 13, 7:45am  

Newbie123 says


For our gold bugs


Still no screenshots of your winnings? Why? Because there are no winnings, bwahahahahahaha!
395   RWSGFY   2020 May 13, 8:03am  

Newbie123 says
Hehe, I knew that meme would be a hit. Lol


Nobody gives a fuck about gold. Or that balding dude. We are simply annoyed by some loser trying to pump his losing "investment" in futile hope to pare his losses.
396   Cash   2020 May 13, 8:47am  

Using time tested and applicable market theory I am afraid to tell you USD could smash BTC easily as well as Gold due to mass deflation.
397   Cash   2020 May 13, 8:52am  

On a retest of that last high I am personally looking to dump in all the FOMO buying that may take place starting at 10400+/- and up to near 11k if I get it.
398   WookieMan   2020 May 13, 8:57am  

covid_shmovid says
Newbie123 says
Hehe, I knew that meme would be a hit. Lol


Nobody gives a fuck about gold.

That and/or you can cherry pick one guy that got lucky and point to that as an investment strategy. Schiff still has his money/value. Many other gold bugs do as well (side note I've never touched gold investments).

There are many people that have lost their assess bigly in crypto. How about showing their pictures? If you took the median crypto "investor" I'd guess 70% or so are on the negative side of the balance sheet with poorly timed trades. You're simply giving your money to billionaires, with very high risk trading/investing in crypto of any kind. Make your money, but as covid says, you seem to be pumping and have shown zero proof you have one US dollar (lol) invested in crypto.
399   Onvacation   2020 May 13, 9:07am  

Newbie123 says

You have an overwhelming amount of people here who absolutely hate bitcoin.

We {I} don't hate bitcoin. I do find it amusing that the little people think they can make a killing on it.

Just to remind you what you own:

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When's the moon shot?
400   WookieMan   2020 May 13, 12:31pm  

Newbie123 says
Covid shmovid you are not annoyed, you are just mad your prediction/hopes of bitcoin going to zero seem to not play out ;) Sry buddy

Pretty sure I'm ignored, but whatever. I don't believe I've read a single comment on this forum that said it "should" be zero or is "going" to zero. It's a worthless long term investment. Time will tell the truth. But worthless doesn't mean you cannot make money off of fools.

You're the one that seems triggered out the gate after BTC being down for a while there champ and taking a break from the forum. You came out fighting yourself before a word was even said. Insecure about your investment much?

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