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The coup against Donald Trump begins to fall apart


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2019 Nov 13, 9:39pm   1,129 views  72 comments

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https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/wayne-allyn-root/wayne-allyn-root-the-coup-against-donald-trump-begins-to-fall-apart-1889603/

Now to the case against Trump. This really is an attempt to frame and railroad a president who Democrats can’t beat at the ballot box.

First, can you imagine Republicans framing Obama over a phone call that someone heard about from someone else thirdhand? Think about the reaction from the media and other organizations.

How about if Republicans held the Obama impeachment inquiry in a secret room, with no Democrats allowed in and no way to cross-examine accusers. Can you even imagine the cries of “racism”?

How about if Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, was allowed to vote on Obama’s removal from office. Are you kidding? That would never happen in a million years. The guy who wants your job can’t possibly serve on your jury, right?

So how can Democrat senators running against Trump be allowed to vote on his impeachment? Obviously, that disqualifies senators who are also running for president: Sanders, Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Harris, Michael Bennet and Cory Booker. Add Kirsten Gillibrand, who ran against Trump until recently. That’s seven votes in the Senate that are hopelessly conflicted.

Take those seven votes away, and it is virtually impossible for Trump to be convicted. Trump should ask the Supreme Court to rule on this.

How about the main “whistleblower”? His name is an open secret in D.C. Guess what? He’s a registered Democrat, works for the CIA and worked for Obama, Joe Biden and a bunch of Obama officials.

It gets worse. He not only worked for Trump’s opponent, Biden, he traveled with Biden, was a guest of Biden’s at a State Department banquet and was involved in the $1 billion foreign aid delivered to Ukraine. In addition, Mark Zaid, the whistleblower’s lawyer, tweeted in January 2017, “The coup has started, impeachment will follow.”

The Democrats’ star witness, Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, admitted in the secret hearings he wasn’t on the Trump-Ukraine phone call. It’s all thirdhand hearsay.

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13   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 14, 10:01pm  

It's possible this is a final desperate attempt to stave off the fallout from the IG report and Rudy's Ukraine-Burisma investigation.

Trying to make a weak claim, although never prosecuted that "Trump peddled influence too." - more than an actual hope to impeach him.

Most Americans, despite the Media, can see the difference between Kerry & Biden's kids being paid by a foreign company and threats of aid cuts if a corruption investigation proceeds, and Trump asking for assistance (per a 20+ year old Treaty signed by Bill Clinton) into inappropriate quid pro quo by Biden's family.

People can see the difference between:
"My guys at the DEA gave your guys the Dossier 3 months ago, Guatemala. Give us more info on the Drug Lord El Chupacabra and the Import-Export Bank of Seattle, or your aid package might be delayed."
and
"If you don't fire the prosecutor investigating the company my kid directly is getting paid from, AND the US company he's affiliated with is also getting paid by, I'll stop your aid even though you're in the middle of a conflict with Russia. Call Obama if you don't believe me."
14   BayArea   2019 Nov 14, 10:06pm  

Fake news
17   komputodo   2019 Nov 14, 10:23pm  

marcus says
WE ALL KNOW HE DID IT. DO YOU HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO ADMIT IT ??

Good GOD man...get some help...TDS is real.
18   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Nov 14, 10:39pm  

marcus says

In real law in the USA, sometimes people who are absolutely guilty have cases thrown out due to improper procedure or improper evidence handling by the prosecution. So, if anything, the Democrats should remember that not only do they have to convict Trump of "high crimes and misdemeanors," but the process is important too. A large number of the voters believe that the process is important to maintaining legitimacy.

The Schiff-show we're seeing now is being carefully filtered by the fake news media, but if this goes to the Republican-controlled senate, there will be no media coverup. It will be a complete disaster if McConnell chooses to have a complete and thorough investigation. The timing of the senate trial couldn't possibly be worse for the Democrats...
• There are 6 Democrat senators (including front-runners Warren and Sanders)) running for president. Are they going to spend 6 days a week for 3 months doing their senatorial duties instead of running in the primaries?
• There are more than a dozen Democrat senators and many more house Democrats who are up for re-election who represent constituents who voted for Trump. That'll be an awkward thing.
• The fraud and abuse towards Trump will be exposed, making Trump a sort of martyr and giving him the sympathy vote. Many people will say that Trump deserves another term because the Democrats and deep state succeeded in ruining his first term.
19   CBOEtrader   2019 Nov 14, 10:47pm  

marcus says
I feel like this country has been taken over by liars and scumbags.

And 35% of the country is just as bad. Deplorable in fact.


Makes sense considering the lies you've been fed.

The underlying purpose of propaganda is to dehumanize others so as to justify wrongs against them. Try being better Marcus
20   steverbeaver   2019 Nov 15, 12:27am  

At this point I don't give a shit. Our governments are out of control.
21   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Nov 15, 1:09am  

Joefour20 says
SunnyvaleCA says
So, if anything, the Democrats should remember that not only do they have to convict Trump of "high crimes and misdemeanors,"


Hmm, looks like u are leaving a bit out. Oh yes, here is what the Constitution says,

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Yes, treason and bribery too, for sure. But the anti-Trumpers haven't generally been pushing either of those two angles.
22   Onvacation   2019 Nov 15, 6:46am  

Joefour20 says

You must not be down with NPP.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-bribery-trump-ukraine-accusation/index.html

Someday CNN will be looked back upon like we now look back upon Pravda. And Nancy can't even clean up the poop in her neighborhood.
23   marcus   2019 Nov 15, 6:55am  

CBOEtrader says
Makes sense considering the lies you've been fed.


Coming from a guy who probably would still say to me today: "tell me just one lie Trump has ever told, I know you won't."

Yes, I do believe that people that don't have any idea what honesty even is, even when communicating with themselves are deplorable.


24   Shaman   2019 Nov 15, 8:06am  

marcus says
CBOEtrader says
Makes sense considering the lies you've been fed.


Coming from a guy who probably would still say to me today: "tell me just one lie Trump has ever told, I know you won't."

Yes, I do believe that people that don't have any idea what honesty even is, even when communicating with themselves are deplorable.




Ultimate TDS
25   komputodo   2019 Nov 15, 10:23pm  

steverbeaver says
At this point I don't give a shit. Our governments are out of control.

You make a good point...why even bother arguing about this shit... none of it makes any sense.....the laws are meaningless
26   komputodo   2019 Nov 15, 10:26pm  

Shaman says
Yes, I do believe that people that don't have any idea what honesty even is, even when communicating with themselves are deplorable.

People who are morbidly obese look at themselves in the mirror and tell themselves that they aren't fat.....
28   Bd6r   2019 Nov 16, 7:14am  

Onvacation says
Someday CNN will be looked back upon like we now look back upon Pravda. And Nancy can't even clean up the poop in her neighborhood.

CNN is like media in China or Russia, where they answer to one party (ORGAN of the Communist party of China, ORGAN of the Progressive Wing of Democratic party here). The only difference perhaps is that media in China or Russia do not THINK that they are independent, while CNN/NYT do, and thus they are more stupid and/or delusional.
29   theoakman   2019 Nov 16, 7:33am  

If any of these "scandals" were ever actually real, they would have still clung to them to this day. As soon as the Mueller testimony failed to do what they hoped it would, it's on to the next manufactured outrage. I find it hilarious that the resident libs on this board are no longer complaining about Putin or how "Trump is a rapist".
30   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 16, 11:22am  

Trump took Putin's orders to give anti tank weapons to Ukraine.
31   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 16, 11:28am  

Oh, he was convinced, and it happened?

Despite Putin's orders?

Now did Obama send weapons?
32   theoakman   2019 Nov 16, 11:39am  

I know someone that just went to both Beijing and Taiwan. He said the news in Taiwan was so refreshing and nice to listen to. Beijing was 50% propaganda and 50% actual news with a communist spin.
33   Tenpoundbass   2019 Nov 17, 5:57am  

Game Plan to eliminate Trump

Plan A. Collude with Hillary, GPS and the Russians to win the election.
Plan B. Sway the Electoral College votes
Plan C. Overturn the Election results with recounts. (Recounts were abandoned when they resulted in more votes for Trump and exposing democrat voter fraud)
Plan D. Nullify the election by framing Trump with Russian collusion
Plan E. Have the Deep State take Trump out using the 25th Amendment
Plan F. Impeach Trump for firing Comey
Plan G. Impeach Trump for Campaign Finance violations
Plan H. Push Back: “If you see anybody from that cabinet.....get in their face”
Plan I. Impeach Trump for Obstruction of Justice
Plan J. Demonize Trump’s S.C. Justice nominee
Plan K. Impeach Trump for Money Laundering
Plan L. Impeach Trump for Treason
Plan M. Impeach Trump for revoking security clearances of people no longer in the government.
Plan N. Obstruct everything Trump attempts to do in congress
Plan O. Impeach Trump for violation of the Emoluments Clause
Plan P. Throw tantrum over Trump’s tax returns we will never see
Plan Q. Give sixteen year olds the vote
Plan R. Eliminate the Electoral College
Plan S. Let imprisoned convicts vote
plan T. Use pictures of illegal alien children caged by 0bama and blame Trump
Plan U. Mueller Report findings....
Plan V. Mueller's 9 minute summary of Weismann’s 400 pg op-ed
Plan W. Impeach Trump for "racist" Tweet "if you don't like it here, go home"
Plan X. Mueller's testimony before Congress🤣😂🤣
Plan Y. Moscow Trump Tower
Plan Z. Tie Bill's buddy Epstein to Trump
Plan AA. Exclude Trump from Kaliforia’s Primary Ballot
Plan AB. Convince voters we are headed into a recession
Plan AC. Recruit Establishment Never-Trumpers to run against him
Plan AD. Dox Trump supporters
Plan AE. Conspire with Silicon Valley to shut down any and all Conservatives
Plan AF. Change the whistle blower rules so literally anyone can fabricate a fake story based on hearsay
Plan AG. Change the House Rules on Impeachment as needed
Plan AH. Impeach Trump for pulling out of Syria after the Stated Mission of eradicating ISIS was successfully concluded
Plan AI. Impeach Trump for not informing leak prone democrats before taking out the ISIS leader and his successor
Plan AJ. Accuse Trump of a cover-up because the Trump/Zelenskiy transcript was stored on a secure system Wait, what?
Plan AK. Impeach Trump for Quid Pro Quo
no wait, make that Bribery,
no wait, make that Extortion,
no wait, make that intimidating tweets
Plan AL. Since Dems know they can’t impeach, have a meaningless show trial to keep the word “impeachment” in the news. And coach the witnesses on their hearsay evidence.

35   Tenpoundbass   2019 Nov 17, 6:17am  

That's the most absurb part, nobody has hit the Libcoms over the head with the fact.

They can and do come at Trump from all angles over everything. But you mean to tell the American public that a Democrat running for office is untouchable.
But the President of the United States is fair game and it's always open season?

The Libcoms would have us believe that running for office as a Democrat gives you immunity from everything.
38   Patrick   2019 Nov 17, 4:48pm  

Notwithstanding the televisual spectacle we will all be treated to this week during public testimony, the Democrats have already made their basic case to the American people and to Republicans in the Senate. The dream of a few short weeks ago, that cracks would emerge and suddenly senators would start turning on Trump, is now dissipating as dawn rises over an actual vote on impeachment.

Like hungover frat boys who convinced themselves over the raucous night that they would road trip to Mexico the next day, the cruel sun is now glinting off their empties and discarded Juul pods, and they will be going to class after all.

The result? A huge win for Trump, any way you slice it.


https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/11/5-reasons-a-senate-trial-would-be-a-nightmare-for-democrats/
40   marcus   2019 Nov 17, 7:29pm  

theoakman says
I find it hilarious that the resident libs on this board are no longer complaining about Putin or how "Trump is a rapist"


Newsflash: Just as an example, nobody, not even evangelical Christians give a fuck that Trump hired a pornstar for sex when his wife was pregnant. So it's not that easy, even for a full fledged "libertarian" (Trump apologist) to claim that just becasue 40% of the public continues to like Trump that he is somehow provably innocent of any of what you fantasize are "not real" scandals.

Nice try though.

Yes, it is true that Trump is so busy with his scumbagary, that his critics will move on from one scandal to the next. But how ridiculously biased does one have to be to think that means he was innocent of the previous one, if it didn't get enough traction with the same crowd that thinks "hey he's just a regular American politician."

You can thank the right wing media for the fact that Trump gets away with all his shit.
41   marcus   2019 Nov 17, 7:37pm  

Karloff says


AS if you morons were even capable of considering the facts.
47   Shaman   2019 Nov 17, 8:20pm  

marcus says


Isn’t that the Democrat party line right now? We can’t investigate the Bidens’ corruption until we prosecute Trump for investigating them! And anyway Biden was CLEARED already! (By someone or some entity we don’t know who but it should be FINE!)
50   marcus   2019 Nov 17, 8:43pm  

:
A question I have: Would it be possible for you to change your mind about Trump ?

I believe the answer is no. It wouldn't matter what he did. That realization is disheartening to a degree that's impossible to articulate - and even if you make the reverse claim toward me - if it's true, it's one more indicator that humanity is doomed - incapable of choosing leadership that will act in its best interest. And simply vulnerable to believing the lies that it wants to believe.
51   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 17, 9:06pm  

marcus says

I believe the answer is no. It wouldn't matter what he did. That realization is disheartening to a degree that's impossible to articulate - and even if you make the reverse claim toward me - if it's true, it's one more indicator that humanity is doomed - incapable of choosing leadership that will act in its best interest. And simply vulnerable to believing the lies that it wants to believe.


You first have to prove he did something.

The plurality of unbacked accusations != Proof.

Now, TDS sufferers have been proclaiming the Beginning of the End and the Walls are Closing In since he was elected.

This is yet another one.
www.youtube.com/embed/f1ab6uxg908
52   HeadSet   2019 Nov 18, 6:30am  

A question I have: Would it be possible for you to change your mind about Trump ?

I believe the answer is no. It wouldn't matter what he did.


Sounds like you are admitting to extreme bias.

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