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Booger says

That's my basic reaction.

Still, I'm afraid our foreign policy is being dictated by Saudi Arabia.

Scott Adams has an interesting angle on all of this. He might have been an impediment to peace and the Mullahs and Supreme Leader wanted him taken out:

www.youtube.com/embed/Th2rBu6OG_Q

CBOEtrader says

How is this not orange man bad therefore this is bad?

I would ask you to see if you can not read and comprehend an entire sentence ?

"What I don't like is that it's Trump behind it, becasue everything that intelligent objective observers know about Trump suggests that the politics of it likely enters his calculus more than it should. And that's very scary. "

You might argue that even if politics did enter in to his rationale, it doesn't mean that it was strategically a mistake. Guess what ? I agree.

But yes even Trump himself was repeatedly making the point back in 2011 and 2012 that it's terrible and risky and just bad all around if a President makes war decisions based on a desire to be reelected.

So I stand by my fear, my concern, whatever you want to call it, that becasue of Trumps epic self contentedness and narcissism, and also his own projection onto Obama's motives, that Trump is at risk of making terrible war related decisions becasue of ego, thirst for power and approval/popularity. Not that these things alone would move him, but becasue they would factor in more than what is desirable for such decisions.

A separate point from the one you don't want to understand is this.

Did the so called doomsday clock just move closer to midnight ? Or further away. If it moved closer, I don't like to see that happening when Trump is at the helm.

And that last point which I was not making before, is closer to Orange man bad therefore this is bad.

But still since I still don't know whether this was strategically wrong, and it probably is something that other strategists brought to Trump, it might be good (strategically) ., That is something I said repeatedly.

Just added ice cream to the grocery list for this weekend!

Every time I see a Booger meme, I think to myself. Man that's a great meme, let me post it over at Patrick.net. Then my next thought is "Doh!"

marcus says

Trump is at risk of making terrible war related decisions becasue of ego, thirst for power and approval/popularity.

Has he made terrible decisions so far? He has expanded drone strikes which noone talks about but should. This is probably bad. He also launched the MOAB based on questionable Syrian intelligence. Also not good. Otoh, he hasnt started any wars and seems to be ending the existing ones. I'd give him a B-, maybe C+ in how hes handled the military. W Bush and Obama both failed.

Seems like hes doing fine, but his report card will change depending on how this conflict plays out. It would help if the media would report on important topics like drone strike numbers and costs associated with it rather than on Tranny rights for minors.

Possibly the best meme on this subject yet:

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

How is this not orange man bad therefore this is bad?

I would ask you to see if you can not read and comprehend an entire sentence ?

"What I don't like is that it's Trump behind it, becasue everything that intelligent objective observers know about Trump suggests that the politics of it likely enters his calculus more than it should. And that's very scary. "

You might argue that even if politics did enter in to his rationale, it doesn't mean that it was strategically a mistake. Guess what ? I agree.

But yes even Trump himself was repeatedly making the point back in 2011 and 2012 that it's terrible and risky and just bad all around if a President makes war decisions based on a desire to be reelected.

So I stand by my fear, my concern, whatever you want to call it, that becasue of Trumps epic self contentedness and narci...

just_dregalicious says

Scott Adams has an interesting angle on all of this. He might have been an impediment to peace and the Mullahs and Supreme Leader wanted him taken out:

Could be. By all counts, he was hated and feared inside Iraq, but so powerful, the government was intimidated. No matter what the public posture, Iran may be glad he is gone.
Kinna like when Stalin finally punted.

For conspiracy fodder, it almost looks like it could have been a joint USA/Iran caper: "We can't have negotiations until this guy is gone, and we can't do anything inside Iran to do it because he is one unholy and invincible motherfucker. We'll get him out of the country, then we will tell you where X marks the spot. Of course, we will have to protest the deed vigorously."

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

How is this not orange man bad therefore this is bad?

I would ask you to see if you can not read and comprehend an entire sentence ?

"What I don't like is that it's Trump behind it, becasue everything that intelligent objective observers know about Trump suggests that the politics of it likely enters his calculus more than it should. And that's very scary. "

You might argue that even if politics did enter in to his rationale, it doesn't mean that it was strategically a mistake. Guess what ? I agree.

But yes even Trump himself was repeatedly making the point back in 2011 and 2012 that it's terrible and risky and just bad all around if a President makes war decisions based on a desire to be reelected.

So I stand by my fear, my concern, whatever you want to call it, that becasue of Trumps epic self contentedness and narci...

Trumps base is distinctly anti-war. Remember how his supporters were pissed while the MSM celebrated his MOAB airstrike?

A politician SHOULD consider the will of the people (politics) when considering military action. This one was acceptable to his supporters BECAUSE it seems like the right decision. (I agree w marcus that we arent in a spot to judge military decisions.)

If this escalates into a new war his supporters will not ne happy.

Remember when we pulled out of the Turkish-Syrian border area? And we were told Major Instability or even WW3 was a possibility unless we kept ground troops there?

Now we're told retaliating against the Iran-backed Embassy Attack by assassinating a long time Iranian General who specializes in assassination and destabilization will lead to Major Instability.

I get whiplash from how fast the Left changes it's stance depending on what Trump does.

CBOEtrader says

If this escalates into a new war his supporters will not ne happy.

True. I wouldn't call myself a blind supporter of Trump, but I think he's generally been a very good president.

And I will not be happy if this becomes a new war, mostly because it's what those Saudi fucks wanted all along.

What would really make me happy is if Iran obliterated Saudi Arabia, the source of the 9/11 hijackers and the source of almost all terrorism in the world.

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Patrick says

And I will not be happy if this becomes a new war, mostly because it's what those Saudi fucks wanted all along.

I'd put killing being wrong and costing too much money ahead of doing what the Saudis want, but I hear you

CBOEtrader says

Patrick says

And I will not be happy if this becomes a new war, mostly because it's what those Saudi fucks wanted all along.

I'd put killing being wrong and costing too much money ahead of doing what the Saudis want, but I hear you

Why only SA this and that, like Israel didn't want this even more.

All chest thumping and stupid memes aside. If you were the ayatollah and the man who is widely agreed to be 2nd most powerful in Iran was just assasinated at Trump's command. And the agreement not to build nukes was pulled out of by Trump. And you watch Trump sucking Kim's dick because he has nukes. It dont take a fucking genius to say I want nukes. Would Trump assassinate me if I had a nuke? No he would suck my dick too and maybe throw in a rim job for good measure.

So where does that lead us? WMD all over again and another war just like Pompeo, Cotton and fan boy Graham have been pushing for. Trump is clearly suffering from dementia...he forgot he didnt want a war.

Chiromancer says

All chest thumping and stupid memes aside. If you were the ayatollah and the man who is widely agreed to be 2nd most powerful in Iran was just assasinated at Trump's command. And the agreement not to build nukes was pulled out of by Trump. And you watch Trump sucking Kim's dick because he has nukes. It dont take a fucking genius to say I want nukes. Would Trump assassinate me if I had a nuke? No he would suck my dick too and maybe throw in a rim job for good measure.

So where does that lead us? WMD all over again and another war just like Pompeo, Cotton and fan boy Graham have been pushing for. Trump is clearly suffering from dementia...he forgot he didnt want a war.

No. There's nothing wrong with taking out a mass murderer and give justice to his victims as long as you don't start a war. If Iran starts one it's not the US fault. It's much better to take out assholes than innocent people. So that all assholes in the word are put on notice their day of reckoning may be coming soon. Hurray for precision targeted drone strikes!

#MAGA

mell says

as long as you don't start a war. If Iran starts one it's not the US fault

Right, they started it. So that makes it ok however this turns out. What do we need to do to "have started it"?. Does it matter to the people killed in Iraq that Sadam was a mass killer, gassed his own people. They are dead, the country a wreck, America is trillions in debt with a bunch of PSTD service people with missing limbs, that worked out great. Sure Iranian regime is terrible, so was the dude killed. Is this so called new great Trump America going to war over that?
The American people, will not buy it twice, save the neo cons and Trump chest thumpers.