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marcus
2020 Feb 11, 5:53pm
marcus
2020 Feb 11, 5:53pm
HeadSet says
More like unintended outcome than goal. But we meanwhile have continued to increase the border security, steadily.
rd6B says
So what do you propose ? Is it rounding up however many millions of people it is ? Sending them to Mexico ? Genocide for those inferiors ? What ?
In my opinion, not only do you not have the answer, I don't think you even understand the question.
That is the goal
More like unintended outcome than goal. But we meanwhile have continued to increase the border security, steadily.
rd6B says
So...no amnesty or path to citizenship.
So what do you propose ? Is it rounding up however many millions of people it is ? Sending them to Mexico ? Genocide for those inferiors ? What ?
In my opinion, not only do you not have the answer, I don't think you even understand the question.
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Patrick
2020 Feb 11, 6:04pm
Patrick
2020 Feb 11, 6:04pm
RC2006 says
Because that's the way the US Chamber of Commerce wants it!
The Democrats sold out, big time.
Anyone that says democrats of today are not 100% pro illegal are delusional, almost all of the democrats in house and senate have totally flipped on the issue over the last 20yrs.
Because that's the way the US Chamber of Commerce wants it!
The Democrats sold out, big time.
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AD
2020 Feb 11, 6:04pm
AD
2020 Feb 11, 6:04pm
"We have candidates on the debate stage talking about open borders and decriminalizing illegal immigration. They’re talking about doing away with nuclear energy and fracking. You’ve got Bernie Sanders talking about letting criminals and terrorists vote from jail cells. It doesn’t matter what you think about any of that, or if there are good arguments — talking about that is not how you win a national election. "
James Carville
-Bill Clinton's Former Chief Strategist
James Carville
-Bill Clinton's Former Chief Strategist
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Feb 11, 6:09pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Feb 11, 6:09pm
marcus says
The Democrats and the Indigo Girls (Upper Class Folksingers; both parents well off non-rural professionals) have this to say:
www.youtube.com/embed/8CdluP9Odbo
Shame on you! Shame! Shame, Shame! If you don't want to be evil, vote for Bernie!
But it's a scumbag move on his part. And it's sort of a scumbag move on the part of the Trump supporters that pass on the lie that democrats don't care about border security, or for that matter that health care for the poor among those tens of millions is about attracting new illegal immigrants. Such utter bullshit. Have you know shame ?
The Democrats and the Indigo Girls (Upper Class Folksingers; both parents well off non-rural professionals) have this to say:
www.youtube.com/embed/8CdluP9Odbo
Shame on you! Shame! Shame, Shame! If you don't want to be evil, vote for Bernie!
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Bd6r
2020 Feb 11, 7:14pm
Bd6r
2020 Feb 11, 7:14pm
marcus says
My answer is - Just let everyone know that if you break the law, incl not following immigration rules, you are never getting citizenship. Then, fine companies $MILLION for each employed illegal. Most of them will leave voluntarily.
And what do you propose - legalize another 20M illegals? Then 30 yrs from now another 30 M? Does not sound like a good plan.
So what do you propose ? Is it rounding up however many millions of people it is ? Sending them to Mexico ? Genocide for those inferiors ? What ?
My answer is - Just let everyone know that if you break the law, incl not following immigration rules, you are never getting citizenship. Then, fine companies $MILLION for each employed illegal. Most of them will leave voluntarily.
And what do you propose - legalize another 20M illegals? Then 30 yrs from now another 30 M? Does not sound like a good plan.
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AD
2020 Feb 11, 7:47pm
AD
2020 Feb 11, 7:47pm
I'm seeing more of this mantra : " Do not reward them. Deport them ! "
If you reward them and let them stay, it just encourages even more illegal immigration.
That just motivates some of the undocumented immigrants to have children in the USA in hopes of getting a favorable ruling from a left wing immigration judge.
Of course some undocumented immigrants who were brought over at a very young age would have a very hard time to return to their home countries. They've assimilated and went to school in the USA, and are net-positive or contributing members to society. They essentially are USA citizens in the way they live, study, and work.
If you reward them and let them stay, it just encourages even more illegal immigration.
That just motivates some of the undocumented immigrants to have children in the USA in hopes of getting a favorable ruling from a left wing immigration judge.
Of course some undocumented immigrants who were brought over at a very young age would have a very hard time to return to their home countries. They've assimilated and went to school in the USA, and are net-positive or contributing members to society. They essentially are USA citizens in the way they live, study, and work.
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HeadSet
2020 Feb 11, 7:47pm
HeadSet
2020 Feb 11, 7:47pm
And what do you propose - legalize another 20M illegals? Then 30 yrs from now another 30 M? Does not sound like a good plan.
For the left, that is a great plan. Remember, flooding the country with illegals is the goal.
For the left, that is a great plan. Remember, flooding the country with illegals is the goal.
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AD
2020 Feb 11, 7:50pm
AD
2020 Feb 11, 7:50pm
HeadSet says
Part of that is based on the Cloward - Piven Strategy. Overwhelm USA society with 3rd world immigrants and put a strain on social services ranging from free lunch programs at schools to emergency room care.
Professors Cloward and Piven can be seen in a photo behind Bill Clinton when he signed into law the Motor Voter Act.
That same act allows undocumented immigrants in California, New York, and other states who acquire a drivers license to easily register to vote. All they have to do is "attest they are American citizens" and then just wait for the absentee ballot to arrive in the mail or to show up at the voting precinct.
For the left, that is a great plan. Remember, flooding the country with illegals is the goal.
Part of that is based on the Cloward - Piven Strategy. Overwhelm USA society with 3rd world immigrants and put a strain on social services ranging from free lunch programs at schools to emergency room care.
Professors Cloward and Piven can be seen in a photo behind Bill Clinton when he signed into law the Motor Voter Act.
That same act allows undocumented immigrants in California, New York, and other states who acquire a drivers license to easily register to vote. All they have to do is "attest they are American citizens" and then just wait for the absentee ballot to arrive in the mail or to show up at the voting precinct.
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Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 11, 10:08pm
Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 11, 10:08pm
marcus says
If there were they would pass laws in this direction.
If anything we see bipartisan support for doing nothing. (except 'racist' Trump) .
Especially considering that any honest person knows that bipartisan support that has existed for massively increasing border security going back more than a decade.
If there were they would pass laws in this direction.
If anything we see bipartisan support for doing nothing. (except 'racist' Trump) .
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Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 11, 10:11pm
Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 11, 10:11pm
marcus says
If so, why would you support these particular people more than US citizens?
There are plenty of poor citizens.
There are also billions of people outside the US who have worse humanitarian situations than people coming into the US.
you must understand that the health care and sanctuary are far more about those millions or tens of millions than it is about attracting new illegal immigrants.
If so, why would you support these particular people more than US citizens?
There are plenty of poor citizens.
There are also billions of people outside the US who have worse humanitarian situations than people coming into the US.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Feb 12, 5:25am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Feb 12, 5:25am
Patrick says
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/07/tucker_carlson_dem_immigration_bill_would_make_america_a_borderless_rest_area_for_the_worlds_worst_predators_and_parasites.html
RC2006 saysAnyone that says democrats of today are not 100% pro illegal are delusional, almost all of the democrats in house and senate have totally flipped on the issue over the last 20yrs.
Because that's the way the US Chamber of Commerce wants it!
The Democrats sold out, big time.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/07/tucker_carlson_dem_immigration_bill_would_make_america_a_borderless_rest_area_for_the_worlds_worst_predators_and_parasites.html
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komputodo
2020 Feb 12, 5:51am
komputodo
2020 Feb 12, 5:51am
Patrick says
I don't know why it's ironic...The dems were bringing in good money for themselves and Trump is fucking it up for them....And 2, the idea of business profits is so 1990's...It's all about 0% interest loans, stock buybacks, massive leverage in the equity markets....and kicking the can down the road....they can easily afford that 4th jet and 5th vacation mansion.
The real irony in Trump's presidency is that the corporate-owned Democrats who hate him so much were all taking bribes from businesses to drive down wages by importing illegals from Mexico ("Sanctuary!") and exporting jobs to China ("Free trade!").
Businesses thought that lower wages was all they needed to be more profitable.
I don't know why it's ironic...The dems were bringing in good money for themselves and Trump is fucking it up for them....And 2, the idea of business profits is so 1990's...It's all about 0% interest loans, stock buybacks, massive leverage in the equity markets....and kicking the can down the road....they can easily afford that 4th jet and 5th vacation mansion.
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marcus
2020 Feb 12, 7:11am
marcus
2020 Feb 12, 7:11am
Heraclitusstudent says
Approved funding.
:
marcus saysEspecially considering that any honest person knows that bipartisan support that has existed for massively increasing border security going back more than a decade.
If there were they would pass laws in this direction.
Approved funding.
:
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Feb 12, 7:50am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Feb 12, 7:50am
marcus says
Are you really trying to imply that the funding for that staffing was approved by the Dem held house and Senate under President Obama?
Heraclitusstudent saysmarcus saysEspecially considering that any honest person knows that bipartisan support that has existed for massively increasing border security going back more than a decade.
If there were they would pass laws in this direction.
Approved funding.
:
Are you really trying to imply that the funding for that staffing was approved by the Dem held house and Senate under President Obama?
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Bd6r
2020 Feb 12, 8:28am
Bd6r
2020 Feb 12, 8:28am
CovfefeButDeadly says
funding is kinda only semi-relevant. Perhaps it is used to build genderfluid detention facilities and sex change operations for border-guards. We can look at who rules sanctuary cities, who advocates free stuff for people who break immigration laws, and numbers of actual deportations.
Are you really trying to imply that the funding for that staffing was approved by the Dem held house and Senate under President Obama?
funding is kinda only semi-relevant. Perhaps it is used to build genderfluid detention facilities and sex change operations for border-guards. We can look at who rules sanctuary cities, who advocates free stuff for people who break immigration laws, and numbers of actual deportations.
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Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 12, 1:30pm
Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 12, 1:30pm
marcus says
Is that working? Or is this just pretending to do something when in fact the most obvious is not done.
If they really wanted to capture illegal, they would just show up with a U-Haul at Home Depot.
They would show up at farms and fine farmers using illegal workers.
They would refuse US citizenship for children of parents in the country illegally or on tourist visas.
They would watch bank accounts of wealthy people and track payments to nannies not reported.
Does any of this have bi-partisan support?
If you scratch a little, the establishment (both parties) fully intends to grow the population of this country through immigration to compensate for the low birth rates. The same is happening in all western countries. And low birth rates is a consequence of other choices.
Approved funding.
Is that working? Or is this just pretending to do something when in fact the most obvious is not done.
If they really wanted to capture illegal, they would just show up with a U-Haul at Home Depot.
They would show up at farms and fine farmers using illegal workers.
They would refuse US citizenship for children of parents in the country illegally or on tourist visas.
They would watch bank accounts of wealthy people and track payments to nannies not reported.
Does any of this have bi-partisan support?
If you scratch a little, the establishment (both parties) fully intends to grow the population of this country through immigration to compensate for the low birth rates. The same is happening in all western countries. And low birth rates is a consequence of other choices.
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HeadSet
2020 Feb 12, 1:58pm
HeadSet
2020 Feb 12, 1:58pm
If you scratch a little, the establishment (both parties) fully intends to grow the population of this country through immigration to compensate for the low birth rates. The same is happening in all western countries.
True, but an insane policy. A stabilized population is needed if we want to maintain a 1st World society without over depleting and over polluting. No one benefits from a mass influx of poor and illiterate except those at the top looking for slaves and vote packing.
True, but an insane policy. A stabilized population is needed if we want to maintain a 1st World society without over depleting and over polluting. No one benefits from a mass influx of poor and illiterate except those at the top looking for slaves and vote packing.
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marcus
2020 Feb 12, 10:48pm
marcus
2020 Feb 12, 10:48pm
Heraclitusstudent says
That's not what I said.
I was talking Border security. I'm didn't say anything about capturing illegals.
But if democrats were trying so hard to attract illegals, and get them in,(as Patrick loves to say) why would they have supported (with their actions) beefed up border security ?
WE got to where the influx of illegals was actually negative (net outflow) for a few years there. Way less coming in, and more leaving than coming in.
marcus says
If they really wanted to capture illegal,
That's not what I said.
I was talking Border security. I'm didn't say anything about capturing illegals.
But if democrats were trying so hard to attract illegals, and get them in,(as Patrick loves to say) why would they have supported (with their actions) beefed up border security ?
WE got to where the influx of illegals was actually negative (net outflow) for a few years there. Way less coming in, and more leaving than coming in.
marcus says
Heraclitusstudent saysmarcus saysEspecially considering that any honest person knows that bipartisan support that has existed for massively increasing border security going back more than a decade.
If there were they would pass laws in this direction.
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Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 13, 10:03am
Heraclitusstudent
2020 Feb 13, 10:03am
marcus says
Not sure how you can separate the 2. Border security means catching illegals and sending them back.
You seem to be saying that we should have patrols to catch people jumping the fence, but if the same people make it to 1 mile from the frontier, then we should not only welcome them but offer them free healthcare.
What kind of silly hypocrisy is that?
You still haven't explain why these particular people deserve free healthcare, but no one else does. For example why do people immigrating LEGALLY don't deserve free healthcare.
I was talking Border security. I'm didn't say anything about capturing illegals.
Not sure how you can separate the 2. Border security means catching illegals and sending them back.
You seem to be saying that we should have patrols to catch people jumping the fence, but if the same people make it to 1 mile from the frontier, then we should not only welcome them but offer them free healthcare.
What kind of silly hypocrisy is that?
You still haven't explain why these particular people deserve free healthcare, but no one else does. For example why do people immigrating LEGALLY don't deserve free healthcare.
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Businesses thought that lower wages was all they needed to be more profitable.
But they were WRONG.
It turns out that enforcing immigration law and bringing back manufacturing from China are way more profitable than the reverse, for everyone.
When working class Americans get more income because they don't have to compete with illegals and because their manufacturing jobs came back, they spend that increased income in the US. (Mexicans in the US send their income to Mexico, and the Chinese just keep their income in China.)
Trickle down fails, because they rich just throw any more money they get into the basement on the pile of cash they already have. The economy stagnates.
But trickle up works, because the working class spends the income, then businesses benefit, and profits go up.
The whole business strategy of bribing Democrats to fuck over poor citizens was not only immoral, it wasn't even profitable! When the poor get poorer, they spend less, and businesses themselves also suffer.
Trump, bless his bizarre orange soul, has shown us the right way way to Make America Great Again, by looking after our own citizens first. Business profits follow once our working class has jobs again. The economy is on an epic roll due to Trump now. May it continue!