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This virus can't be stopped any more than we can stop the flu virus. 100,000 or 10,000,000 government employees in some Pandemic office ain't gonna do shit.

I'm guilty of this myself, but I love how everyone is arm chair quarterbacking the response to this. Trump has failed, but for different reasons. When he doesn't take responsibility, who cares, why should he? It's not like he ordered a missile strike on a country and created WWIII. It's a fucking virus. Not ONE person knows the best response to it. It's all guessing until we get more data, aka more people get sick. To think otherwise is pure stupidity.

This virus would have happened no matter what. And these things will keep happening when we have 8B people and 1B+ in one country that for the most part is regarded as 3rd world. I don't even understand how the fuck this is being politicized. It's like being pissed that the wind is blowing out of the east. You can't control it for fucks sake.

Serious TDS here. Some people can’t be helped, too brainwashed by stasi machine at CNN.

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WookieMan says

government employees in some Pandemic office ain't gonna do shit

It may be true that with Trump at the helm they wouldn't be able to do shit. But with a competant President at the helm and the Pandemic team in place, things would probably have unfolded much much differently.

We could have let less in to the country and if need be we could have slowed it down sooner. I believe the actions taken now are correct, which are designed to slow it down enough (not necessarily lower the total numbers that much) so that our health care system doesn't find itself doing triage like they are in Italy.

We could have planned like Hong Kong and others starting back at the end of the year after seeing what was happening in China, and then a competant (and adult) President would have listened to the advice his team more than the ramblings of cognitively challenged conspiracy theorists. Or if not that well, at least better than what we ended up doing.

In the end, Trump did wake up - meaning that it is still sometimes possible for the competant people can get through to him.

WookieMan says

This virus would have happened no matter what

That's clearly false considering how some countries responded so much more quickly and so much better than others. Some countries - especially if closer to China, saw what happened, and realized that China's dramatic shut down of 16 million people gave them time to react and plan.

See this: https://patrick.net/post/1330784?0#comment-1653806

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jazz_music says

Who’s paying for $1.5 trillion fed liquidity injection into the stock market and what does that even mean?

IMHO it’s a solid investment by the central bank. They’ll make 25% or more in a few months, in addition to helping put a floor under the crash. Solid move! The only losers are the people who aren’t all in on the way back up!

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Nobody failed, containment is already working. We'll reach the peak within March or April.Trump and Mnuchin are doing the right things.

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jazz_music says

VINCENT says

So what is your excuse? You have Marcus

I’m not the subject here. Marcus is not the subject here.

You could start a different thread instead of disrupting.

Jazz, you gotta stop with this line of thought. You started a thread. People are going to interact with you. You're almost acknowledging that you're trolling at this point. You're the OP and by putting it out there, you by default are endorsing it. Don't expect everyone to agree with you.

I have no interest in the topic you posted, so not going to comment on it. And I know we're not to talk about other users, but you and Tim A. have this issue with posting something that you likely believe and people countering your belief gets your blood pressure raised. What did you think the reaction would be? Everyone would 100% agree?

I don't get your guys' (or gals) end goal when someone brings up an argument or counter to a thread you started. It is about you because you posted it. Own it.

Jazz seeking investment into Democratic leftist speech codes and gun confiscation party. No thanks Jazz, your shitty party isn’t getting my money.

The Dems, esp. in Pennsylvania, jerrymandered a bunch of suburban areas to include urban parts.

Virginia did that, too. Added a slice of inner city to a suburban district, then claimed the suburban district "flipped."

Give them a little North Sea oil wealth, and they become all snotty and judgmental. Maybe we should buy Norway along with Greenland.

Trump's Coronavirus Test Came Back Positive: FOR AIDS!

You are slipping. If you were on you game, you would have said "Positive for Estrogen."

The reason religions exist is that their adherents have managed to exist. They found a formula for survival. Not that they should be blindly followed in all details, but they should not be dismissed as "mere superstition" either.

Yes, the learned people near the king may have known the "why" of sanitation and monogamy, but would have difficulty explaining such to the illiterate and innumerate masses. Much easier to have a religion and give the reason for compliance as "God said so."

Tim Aurora says

@Vincent

According to your statistics 11.7 K died out of 57 million infected. that is 1 out of every 5000 . COVID-19 is at least 50 times more lethal. And it is very contagious too.

Are you really that obtuse? Do you really think COVID-19 is going to kill 50 times the people, while claiming COVID-19 is more contagious than a disease that infected 57 million Americans? COVID-19 that so far seems only deadly to the old and severely lung compromised?

The point is, Obama did not declare an emergency until over 1,000 Americans had died from H1N1, and even then said the matter only was worthy of "concern." Obama did not do any travel restrictions or anything else to slow the spread.

mell says

Nobody failed, containment is already working. We'll reach the peak within March or April.Trump and Mnuchin are doing the right things.

And this containment effort and emphasis on hygiene may even save lives, by collaterally stopping the spread of the real flu, the real flu that claims thousands of lives each year.

I think it's stupid to attack any prez over the response unless they have been deliberately obtuse. H1N1 was worse but they mostly had enough hospital capacity and it was better known than COVID-19. I don't give a fuck about what Obama did or didn't do back then but to attack Trump for not doing enough is retarded at best, malicious at worst. He's getting shit from all sides of the globalist cabal for isolating the US which was the correct call. The measures taken across the US are drastic but will halt the spread, we shouldn't be far away from the peak now. The reason the deathl rate is higher is that many more CoVid cases went undetected due to late testing. For H1N1 testing was ready and available from day 1. The real death rate could be anywhere from 0.01% to 2%. We still currently only test and treat those with severe symptoms and those who came in close contact.

We conveniently forget swine flu.
Didn’t do shit about Zica either, got lucky it didn’t spread simply.

The Media wants Trump's administration to declare Marshall law and lock everything down. So the CNN audience will be at home watching their 24 hour news coverage of Dictator Trump, and make up lies about the horrible things he's doing.



https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/15/de-blasio-our-only-hope-is-that-federal-government-realizes-were-in-a-war-and-takes-over/

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/15/ohio-governor-dewine-schools-could-be-closed-for-remainder-of-the-school-year/

Fortwaynemobile says

Didn’t do shit about Zica either, got lucky it didn’t spread simply.

Zika gave all of the Liberals Pin Heads. Well Pin Header.

IL just did....

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/15/ma-general-hospital-president-slavin-we-need-a-war-like-stance-to-combat-coronavirus/

mell says

I don't give a fuck about what Obama did or didn't do back then but to attack Trump for not doing enough is retarded at best, malicious at worst

Frankly think he's doing too much and that's my beef. We're halting production of everything to protect unproductive people that likely did it to themselves in the first place and take a cocktail of drugs to stay alive.

I'm admittedly bitter because my trip got cancelled. Rebooked a flight to FL and I'm almost 100% sure all flights are getting shut down in the next 24-72 hours. IL just closed restaurants. I know dozens of people that will be broke in 2 weeks here. I have an IL FOID card, but my dumbass hasn't gotten a gun yet. This overreaction is going to kill THOUSANDS more than the actual virus.

I've said it in another post, I'll likely still vote for Trump, but he's not leading right now. My own governor likely just emptied ALL grocery store shelves over the next 24 hours with the restaurant/bar closure. Nobody is leading and being logical about this because our leaders are all in the fucking crosshairs of the fucking virus because they're fucking old. I'm very much going to push for age limits for political leaders. I may even start a group. This is utter bull shit.

HeadSet says

mell says

Nobody failed, containment is already working. We'll reach the peak within March or April.Trump and Mnuchin are doing the right things.

And this containment effort and emphasis on hygiene may even save lives, by collaterally stopping the spread of the real flu, the real flu that claims thousands of lives each year.

This is a valid point. Normal flu is worse and all this is helping with that.

Problem I have is regardless of how good the economy is (well was) people don't do well without cash. Don't do well sitting around if they're not working. Basically they kill themselves. We're already reaching out to people as IL just announced closure of restaurants and bars. Have a few family and friends in the industry. It's going to be a bloodbath.

The crime rate in Chicago is going to surge over the coming weeks. This is such a failure to save the weak that we're going to kill more healthy people. I was convinced we'd recover quickly. This might take years. Wouldn't be surprised if the stock market doesn't open tomorrow.

It's interesting how the opinions differ from not done enough to done way too much so that it causes more harm. The point is valid depending on whether you want to favor the young or the old or find a decent balance. I do think closing restaurants goes a bit too far, but each state can decide that on their own unless a federal ban kicks in.

My wife and I are likely to take in her sister and kid because of this. No chance in hell she's paying rent April 1st.... She has her flaws, but there's zero reason in my opinion to close down in house dining here. She waitresses and she's fucked at this point. Landlord is fucked. Banks are fucked. Dominos are falling because of people with bum lungs.

Many restaurants themselves won't make it here. Thin margin business if you can even get it off the ground and successful in the first place. Fuck loads of people in IL are going to need help and fast. We're creating a worse crisis in my opinion by the reaction. Pisses me off.

Trump hugely fucked up the European travel ban as well. It resulted in a mass of people trying to get back here like I predicted. O'hare now has a flood of people that almost certainly have the virus. They should have stayed in place. So now I'm in a state that is likely to bust out reported case wise. I fortunately live in the country, so limited interaction with people most days.

GOOD.
Stocks should go to some very small number as they help only rich people. Trumps policies finally help blue collar wage earners! MAGA!

yeah, and when he closed travel to/from China he was RAUCIST! He just can't do anything right

Shaman says

IMHO it’s a solid investment by the central bank. They’ll make 25% or more in a few months, in addition to helping put a floor under the crash. Solid move! The only losers are the people who aren’t all in on the way back up!

I disagree with this. In FREE! market, we should not have fucking FED bailing out incompetent banks/investors/etc. They may or may not turn profit, but that is not the most important issue. Why the fuck bail out incompetent banksters and overspending Fed Gov? They will just double down next time on their stupidity, as we see now.

There was a guy named Crazy Larry at my school. Neckbearded overweight wierdo, 20 but looked 35, called everything a fascist and a vegetarian (though he farted in class, loudly - a monolithic pizza eater).

"The self-checkout is FASCIST!"
"ATMS are FASCIST!"
"Au bon Pain at the student center is FUCKING FASCIST!"

Just a memory triggered by the thread title.

WookieMan says

mell says

I don't give a fuck about what Obama did or didn't do back then but to attack Trump for not doing enough is retarded at best, malicious at worst

Frankly think he's doing too much and that's my beef. We're halting production of everything to protect unproductive people that likely did it to themselves in the first place and take a cocktail of drugs to stay alive.

I'm admittedly bitter because my trip got cancelled. Rebooked a flight to FL and I'm almost 100% sure all flights are getting shut down in the next 24-72 hours. IL just closed restaurants. I know dozens of people that will be broke in 2 weeks here. I have an IL FOID card, but my dumbass hasn't gotten a gun yet. This overreaction is going to kill THOUSANDS more than the actual virus.

I've said it in another post, I'll likely still vote for Trump, but he's not leading right now. My own governor likely just emp...

You're one of the few advocating for the young then. Politicians have a lot of pressure so there's no way you can go lone wolf. Every single death would be pinned on him and he couldn't buy himself a candy bar from the fact that you'd be one of the few supporting this amd voting for him. We have a world full of elderly and they call the shots. Plus if the contaiemt works reasonably fast they could come out swinging of this correction. I think everything remains to be seen, nobody knows. But your point is valid. The boomers don't like it though.

Logical response Mell.

But I just went for our last meal out due to IL banning it. Saw 3-4 sixty plus overweight smokers out front. If we want this to go away and go away quick, those people shouldn’t be allowed in public. The steps are draconian because unhealthy shit heads are going out in public. Boomers are stubborn shit heads. Including my mother in law. Sorry if you’re a boomer.

Need to wake up younger people to get involved. Not going to dox myself, but I’m an elected official. Not in a capacity to influence this stuff, but young people need to get off their asses tomorrow. This is being handled so ass backwards it’s..... shit.

How to tell someone is suffering from TDS.... their first thought about everything is always "Trump ".

Saw 3-4 sixty plus overweight smokers out front. If we want this to go away and go away quick, those people shouldn’t be allowed in public. The steps are draconian because unhealthy shit heads are going out in public. Boomers are stubborn shit heads. Including my mother in law. Sorry if you’re a boomer.

Why would boomers in general take offense? Not all of us are fat, overweight smokers.

HeadSet says

Why would boomers in general take offense? Not all of us are fat, overweight smokers

Agreed. Saw probably another 10-15 that were healthy. That’s why I said sorry to boomers. I know it’s not all of them. It’s just if you eat like shit and smoke you’re not likely to survive this. The higher the death count the more restrictions on all of us including boomer.

Those people should have been at home.