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You guys are paranoiac cultists.
There is a method to test drugs and doctors insist on following the method.
If you don't like modern medicine, visit your witch doctor.
He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/an-update-on-the-coronavirus-treatment-11585509827
In the fight against Covid-19 though we might look forward in doom, one day we will look backward in awe. In an article last week, I discussed a promising drug combination to treat the disease. There is now new data supporting this treatment. Since then, Kansas City area physicians, including Joe Brewer, Dan Hinthorn and me, continue to treat many patients, and some have shown improvement. Major medical centers including the University of Washington and Mass General have added hydroxychloroquine to treatment options. So here’s an update, a response to some questions that have come up, and suggestions based on the latest...
Clinical information has also emerged from Covid treatment. During the initial Chinese outbreak, Wuhan doctors observed that patients with lupus—a disease for which HC is a common treatment—did not seem to develop Covid-19. Of 178 hospital patients who tested positive, none had lupus and none were on HC. None of this Wuhan hospital’s dermatology department’s 80 lupus patients were infected with the novel coronavirus. The Wuhan doctors hypothesized that this may be due to long-term use of HC. They treated 20 Covid-19 patients with HC. Their result: “Clinical symptoms improve significantly in 1 to 2 days. After five days of chest CT examination, 19 cases showed significant absorption improvement.” ...
The World Health Organization lists both HC and AZ as essential medicines, “considered to be the most effective and safe to meet the most important needs in a health system.” These drugs have been in use for many years—HC since 1955 and AZ since 1988. Only the combination is new. For now it isn’t well understood why the mix is so effective.
The clinical information service Lexicomp lists the interaction between HC and AZ as Category B, which means the majority of patients require no special caution. Long-term HC use can have adverse effects. Chronic use can cause eye problems, Heartbeat arrhythmia is occasionally observed. Increased electrocardiogram tracking may be appropriate for patients at risk of the latter effect. Potential mental-health effects should be closely observed.
All drugs have side effects, and HC’s overall record is safe. Yes, this is an “off label” use. But that isn’t unusual, either. One study showed 21% of U.S. prescriptions were for off-label use.
These drugs are still needed to treat malaria, lupus and other diseases, which makes it important not to exhaust supplies treating Covid-19 patients. Yet this is a historic pandemic, and treatment with HC and AZ shows considerable promise. That is reason to increase supplies quickly. ...
For my entire career, I have taken a conservative approach to medicine. I don’t want to give false or premature hope. All of this is subject to further refinement as more information arrives. But likewise I can’t ignore the available evidence. This appears to be the best widely available option for treating Covid-19 and not merely easing the suffering from the disease. It would be irresponsible not to pursue this option aggressively.
A Chinese study involving more than 100 patients of COVID-19 found chloroquine superior to the control group in reducing symptom duration, exacerbation of pneumonia including radiological improvement and promoting virus-negative seroconversion without any severe side effects [18]. This represents the first human trial ever conducted with chloroquine against COVID-19. Although the detailed results of this trial are not yet published and only available in a letter form, interestingly, this early result led China to include chloroquine in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 pneumonia. Moreover, The National Health Commission of the People's Republic of China recommended inclusion of chloroquine in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19. In this study, chloroquine was given in dose of 500 mg of chloroquine twice daily in mild to severe COVID-19 pneumonia. ...
Although there are sporadic case reports of chloroquine-induced cardiomyopathy and reversible heart failure in the literature, many studies and large meta-analysis conducted in patients with rheumatoid arthritis pointed to a reduced cardiovascular risk with both these compounds [40]. Nevertheless, since both the drug has potential to prolog QTc, a baseline ECG should be done in patients with established cardiovascular disease.
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Quick update-- news that FDA is granting emergency authorization 4 hospitals 2 use #chloroquine & #Hydroxychloroquine w hospitalized patients seems to b signaling at least a slight de-escalation of circumstances, and giving #markets an early bump off lows
sporadic case reports of chloroquine-induced cardiomyopathy
Twitter removed a tweet from Fox New host Laura Ingraham that suggested hospitals using hydroxychloroquine as treatment for the Wuhan coronavirus are showing promising results, despite the FDA’s approval of the drug for emergency use.
“Lenox Hill in New York among many hospitals already using hydroxychloroquine with very promising results. One patient was described as ‘Lazarus’ who was seriously ill from Covid-19, already released,” Ingraham tweeted.
Patrick, thanks for staying on top of this. This seems like a reasonable solution to CV. Nice to a know a old and cheap prescription actually works on this.
Of course the media will still stream doom anyway, because:
1. Orange Man Bad
2. they love the attention
Immanentize the Eschaton
In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton in the immanent world. In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now".
Why do people think it's a far fetched idea that an anti-viral medication would have a positive effect on faster recovery?
Because Trump suggested it.
Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.
Patrick saysWhy do people think it's a far fetched idea that an anti-viral medication would have a positive effect on faster recovery?
Because Trump suggested it.
Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.
To do a really valid study would mean denying this treatment (they get a placebo) to a certain group of patients (large group) while treating a very similarly matched large group. Similar demographics and underlying health conditions of each group of patients; as much as possible everything the same. All giving informed consent. Then adjusting for any variations after observing the outcomes to come to a conclusion. That is proba...
Yeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.
Fact remains, there are groups out there that literally are against trying a drug that is likely to help that has been proven over decades to be safe for consumption. Needless to say, the initial data looks promising, and I'm pretty sure, that every other positive news that comes in on this matter will be denied or ignored by certain factions because they are incapable of taking the same side as someone on a single issue.
Patrick saysThey are literally trying to kill people rather than allow that Trump may be right.
Trump is not a doctor and doesn't know shit. He shouldn't propose unproven drugs. That was a very STUPID thing to do.
The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helped to speed the recovery of a small number of patients who were mildly ill from the coronavirus, doctors in China reported this week.
Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it.
And yet the FDA just approved the use of the drug. So, Trump was right
Admit once and for all that Trump had, and has no proof whatsoever it works.
rdm saysYeah you are probably right. The problem being when you give out constant disinformation, wrong information, made up information, wishful out loud thinking, if you happen to say something that is true no one believes you or at the least are skeptical, as they should be.
Is that why our Liberal Media is one of the least trusted institutions in America?
Few Americans trust President Donald Trump when it comes to the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new survey, and fewer than half of respondents believe the federal government is taking sufficient steps to combat the public health crisis.
Maybe the feds should weld all of our doors shut like they did in Wuhan. Would that be enough?
Maybe, but clearly Trump is one of the least trusted sources. And why should they believe him? He has provided unending ridiculous predictions and blather on the subject. Listen to the scientists, ignore Trump and his mortician Pence at the propaganda sessions Trump leads everyday.
Trump didn't just pull this out of his ass.
socal2 saysTrump didn't just pull this out of his ass.
He definitively pulls A LOT of stuff out of his ass.
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine. ”
"One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (Feb 28)
"it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away. ” (March 10)
He's been clinging at any hope that justifies denial of the situation and putting his head in the sand.
And this was just one of straws he was grasping at.
Anyone with a tiny bit of integrity would recognize that. - Not personality cult members obviously.
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine. ”
"One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (Feb 28)
"it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away. ” (March 10)
Maybe the feds should weld all of our doors shut like they did in Wuhan. Would that be enough?
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see https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1241354642417577986
Trump retweeted this.