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Remember, Obama touted the new normal as American in decline with "those jobs not coming back." We did not accept that "new normal" then and we should not accept this pandemic "new normal" now.

Pence looking to unplaform and deperson the DNC

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/pence-white-house-looking-disband-coronavirus-task-force-early-june-fauci-kept-loop/

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Yes, those experts. Like the WHO that told everyone that Covid-19 can not be spread by human to human contact.

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Gee, this is so much fun. Going through memes that Marcus posts is almost like dissecting "Cheap Manipulation Techniques 101".

Marcus, let's dissect this one. First, note how careful your side now needs to be with their words. Question: why do you think that they picked this term "sexual misconduct"? It's the opposite of what you would call "snappy", the opposite of what you'd want to use in a meme.
Here's my answer: because they somehow needed to equalize assault (which Joe Biden is being accused of) with "chicks dig me because I'm rich and famous" behavior (which Trump is being accused of)

Trumps' entire life has been put under microscope, but not a single sign of assault-type or forceful behavior has ever been found. Not even a far-fetched one which media could further bend for the party line. Even in the infamous locker room recording, his pussy-grabbing point was that "they LET YOU do it" (uppercase mine, emphasis on consent).

How do you put it in the same category as assault? You come up with a term which describes both, no matter how imprecisely! "Sexual misconduct" would be one. Because, you know, assault is certainly misconduct, and so is banging hookers while being married. Never mind that they are two very different types of misconduct. It's misconduct, I tell you!

This is where the "lie" part comes into the picture. See Marcus, there are not many people, conservative or otherwise, who don't believe that Trump lead a life of playboy and a flamboyant billionaire, that he banged beautiful women, to some of which he probably also paid. People know, and they don't care. Lie is in pretense that not caring about consensual behavior (misconduct or not) is the same as not believing in it.

marcus says

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Trumps' entire life has been put under microscope, but not a single sign of assault-type or forceful behavior has ever been found. Not even a far-fetched one which media could further bend for the party line. Even in the infamous locker room recording, his pussy-grabbing point was that "they LET YOU do it" (uppercase mine, emphasis on consent).

Brilliant. He didn't brag about the times he has sexually assaulted women. I guess I have to give you that.

You only prove the point of that meme. You have no interest in whether or not Trump has sexually assaulted women More generally, you have zero interest in all the proof of what kind of person Trump is. Apparently you admire him.

I'll make it simple.
It's not my job to investigate Trump. Those whose job it is apparently failed to produce any evidence, no matter how hard they tried, and thus your side has been reduced to spinning consensual behavior as something that it's not. That, and mind-reading (i.e. "apparently you admire him")
Dissecting your memes is still fun. It's almost like you can pick from them randomly and use as a manipulation technique recognition exercise.

marcus says

mostly_reader says

thus your side has been reduced to spinning consensual behavior as something that it's not.

mostly_reader says

It's almost like you can pick from them randomly and use as a manipulation technique recognition exercise.

Translation: you are immune to reality, or at least so you claim.

You made a statement but forgot the "because" part. I said that I could probably pick randomly from your memes and use the pick as a manipulation technique recognition exercise. How is manipulation recognition the same as being immune to reality?
Or is it in the same way as "assault" and "victimless crime" are the same?

Oh, and just for the record. At this time, I give accusations against Biden zero credibility.

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So, a billionaire that has run many businesses is not qualified to run the country and a community organizer, half term congressman that never did anything is?

"You didn't build that!"

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Brilliant. He didn't brag about the times he has sexually assaulted women. I guess I have to give you that

Believe it or not some women like sex.
Believe it or not some men have sex with women who like it.

What part of Trump saying, "they let you do it" do you not understand?

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Sexual assault allegations against Trump: more than 20

Of all of these allegations which do you find most credible?

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Sexual assault allegations against Biden: 1

Actually, there are at least eight.

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Then what part of the meme is manipulation, rather than fact ?

Both are.
Joe Biden is being accused of sexual assault. My take: very few on either side believe it, and when the right brings it up, it's because two can play in this game. The first part is indeed false. What makes it more false, is the "sexual misconduct" charade. It's assault, and Biden is currently under investigation. He has not been cleared, no matter what the majority believes (sure, it was a power play by the right - see the "two can play in this game" reference).
Trump is not under investigation (spare me going over credibility of "assault" accusations against him). However, most people believe that Trump is indeed guilty of other, victimless, forms of sexual misconduct. Which is why the term "sexual misconduct" became operative. It's to add credibility where there is none (i.e. manipulation). Does it make it clear?

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There are A LOT of these kinds of claims against Trump.

Of all of these allegations which do you find most credible?

You know fully well that existence of "A LOT of these kinds of claims" against Trump means absolutely zilch. He's the guy that half the country loves to hate. If he never-ever assaulted a woman (you may be of different opinion, but I'm inviting you to a mental exercise) - do you think that, given current situation, there wouldn't be such claims? We all know that there would be plenty of those. Some accusers would be doing it to be in spotlight, some for money, some may be thinking that they are doing it for greater good. Going with the flow is a thing, if there's anyone who'd be falsely accused, it's Trump. We probably had very skilled persuaders telling women who were in contact with him that they were abused and encouraging them to step forward (this is a speculation, but a likely one).

Now, here's an important part. Someone who's in fact prone to assault, someone who developed this pattern, usually slips. Over the course of decades, it rarely stays within "only ones in the room, her word vs his" boundaries, especially in times when abuse was way more acceptable than it is now. We are talking about decades of same pattern. A person would make a mistake, and there would be proof, which never happened with Trump. How is it that he never slipped, having spent decades as a super powerful person constantly surrounded by babes? He never lowered his guard in those forgiving times, is he that good? I recon your side believes that he's a bumbling idiot, how do you reconcile the two?

My position is clear, with regards to both Trump and Biden. What's yours?

> marcus
Saved. I gather - you (again) discovered that debate is not your turf and are getting back to cheaper propaganda techniques with better bang per buck.

Let's see. You posted the meme. I dissected your meme, and explained why it's a material for "manipulation detection 101". You attempted to challenge me on that. Few iterations, and it appears that you are out of arguments and re-posting the meme.

I'm clarifying what is your turf, and what isn't.

You should know that this can be done with most of the materials that you share here.

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Well, I would just leave it to readers...

LOL. I'm a reader. In fact, I'm "mostly_reader".
You mean, you would just leave it to other readers. The ones that don't give you hard time over propaganda.
All right, that was enough.

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Joe:
Sexual assault allegations: 1
Sexual Allegations: 8
If you don't count all of the people Joe sniffed and touched inappropriately

Trump:
Sexual assault allegations: 0
Sexual allegations: Hundreds known, probably thousands we don't know.
Amazing there are no reports of STD's

Wasn't the president in idiocracy a 3 time world wrestling champ and porn star?

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He pled guilty.

Funny how Liberal Law apparatus works tirelessly to get all kinds of killers, rapists, robbers, and general thugs off on appeals or have prosecutions overturned, even after they confess to their crimes.

But General Flynn intentionally giving the Obama Road Runner Coyote show enough A.C.M.E. rope to hang themselves, and Flynns the bad guy.

Even Judge Sullivan didn't want no part of sentencing Flynn, he's been putting off for almost a year now.
He knew that botched hit job by Obama was going down in flames, he wanted no part of it. He was mad as hell at Flynn's new Attorneys for taking a vested interest in Flynn's legal standing. Where as the ones he had that were colluding with the Prosecution, and Courts to railroad Flynn. The Lawyer recommended plead guilty, and that's what Flynn did. Where he fucked them, and he did. See everyone thinks Flynn and Stone are helpless victims, but they are cunning Swamp drainers, and Flynn Fucked Obama and his corrupt administration hard by this one simple brilliant act that upended them all. He fucking took the plea, then hired a New Legal Team.

Game Set Match!

I know he plead Guilty that's whole goddamn point those stupid sons of bitches don't fucking Get!
Then he hired a new Attorney. Fucked their well orchestrated railroad job up all to shit

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I can imagine it now. The original lawyers said, "Yeah we know you didn't lie to congress about those meetings, but we think the best course of action is for you to plead guilty to lying, otherwise they might find you guilty of some even worse crime that you didn't commit, that we can't defend you for."

Have you been reading the released transcripts, his lawyer suppressed evidence that would exonerate him, and told him it was his only option, or they were going after his family next.

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I can imagine it now.

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Are you kidding? The man is a workaholic. He gets up at 3am to start a tweet storm to stun and confuse his enemies; covfefe? He then spends the rest of the morning making america great again. He might go for a little golf in the early afternoon. He then spends the evening battling fake news and bringing back justice, freedom, and the American way. He then sleeps for a couple hours sometimes with

and then gets up to do it again.

Peter Strzok's Notes :"Find a way to get Flynn to Lie."

Meets Flynn. Says to him:

"Give us information about X for our counter intelligence files; you're not under investigation. This is just for our knowledge."

Flynn: Gives inaccurate information.

Strzok: "Aha! Lying to the FBI!!! Man, you are in big trouble. Consider we'll go after your son, too. Lisa Page, I love you, let us speak Farsi words of adulterous love to each other "

Flynn: Crappy Lawyer advises him to plead guilty.

Later...

Hardass Defense Lawyer demands FBI Produce interview transcript.

FBI explains they don't make transcripts as standard procedure (they do this precisely to frame people, so it's a dun da-dun dun G-Mans word against Joe Blow)

However, Strzok's texts and notes and other data emerges showing there was no basis for an investigation in the first place - this was NOT AVAILABLE when Flynn plead guilty.

Judge endlessly delays sentencing, not wanting to let Flynn off but also not wanting to look bad.

DOJ drops case.

Next: The who will flip first game as the players begin thinking about rushing to the DOJ to drop bombs and save their ass by turning State's Evidence.

By the way: The Yates testimony is dynamite. She's trying to protect Obama yet cover her own ass at the same time.

The NYT Celebrates when some Jamal with a rap sheet a mile long gets his latest armed robbery case thrown out, despite CCTV and 3 witnesses, because the Prosecutors forget to put the cover on the TPS Report.

The NYT Shreiks in rage when some Flynn with an impeccable record gets off when new evidence comes out showing he was the target of entrapment since before he was interviewed, and there was no reason TO interview him in the first place.

"FBI explains they don't make transcripts as standard procedure " is the only smoking gun in this whole debacle. Having survived a Title IX inquisition where I was not permitted to record the interview, I am deeply suspicious of such things because the only conceivable reason to deny a record of such a thing is that they want to alter things now or later.

Maybe time for a good virus.

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Finally you said something honestly.