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Tim Aurora says

People here, especially Trumpsters are touting the protest as Blacks vs Whites.

Quote the comment or admit you're lying.

I left PatNet long ago but decided to read perspectives on the unprecedented current nationwide madness and found this.

Tim Aurora says

it is Blacks against police violence

I wish that were true, but please see this demand to free Mohamed Noor, a Somali Muslim cop who killed a white civilian woman while also being sued for assaulting another woman:

https://twitter.com/infolibnews/status/1266593440630018048
https://districtherald.com/rioters-call-for-somali-cop-who-killed-white-woman-to-be-freed-on-cnn/

It took 8 months to arrest Noor, yet there were no riots.

Please see also the post by rd6B on this incident:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/
Again, there were no riots when the cops killed the white guy.

Police violence spans every conceivable color combination, but only one combination produces "protests" (riots).

Tim Aurora says

There are many whites joining....

Yes, including AntiFa and "black block" provocateurs who infiltrate a protest and turn it into a violent riot (which might have happened anyway), and virtue signalers who don't protest police violence unless it involves the magic combination of white villain and unarmed black victim. Arson, looting, and violent riots have erupted for more than 50 years, but have never accomplished much aside from impoverishing certain neighborhoods and making them unhealthy "food deserts" because almost no one wants to invest there.

Also, interesting that you capitalize black but not white. These are colors. Capitalizing one but not the other seems to imply supremacy of one over the other, which the rioters demanding the release of Mohamed Noor might agree with. (They might also favor Muslim male supremacy over females not wearing hijab, as per the Koran.)

And then there is the whole COVID-19 situation. For a decade, through two successive administrations, no one replenished the national stockpile of N95 masks. This was part of Fauci's job the whole time. "Trumpsters" blame Obama, Democrats blame Trump (for everything imaginable), and almost nobody blames Fauci, even though he's been in charge of infectious disease since the Reagan administration. (Republicans call him a Clinton supporter, but he is a Reagan appointee and holdover through both Bushes, Clinton, Obama, and now Trump.) CDC reports that SARS-CoV2 was already spreading in the USA in January, and that half of the infected population have no symptoms, but in February Fauci was telling Americans that "healthy" people don't need to wear masks. Woops! The buck stops with the President, i.e. Trump, but look at the terrible advice he was getting from Fauci. It is ironic: Trump overrules many experts, it's in his nature, but the worst blunder of his Presidency was listening to the "expert" Fauci instead of the intelligence warnings (e.g. from Richard Grenell). Half the fatalities are in the NYC metro area, due mainly to crowded mass transit. Imagine if NYC mass transit commuters had been given masks from the national stockpile, and required to wear them while in the mass transit system, and only certain numbers of people were allowed in at the same time, and NYC employers had been required to stagger schedules or let people WFH. Imagine if the vulnerable had been ordered to stay home, and employers had been required to accomodate them (same as any other disability) with WFH. The whole issue of pandemics has been mismanaged horribly for years, with suddenly more lethal consequences than usual.

As for "Trumpsters" vs leftists, both groups have become increasingly unrealistic, sometimes delusional and other times dishonest. Facts don't reliably serve a partisan narrative, so they have no constituency. As PatNet devolved into mostly partisans and trolls, I had to leave.

Be safe and be well, if you can.

Tim Aurora says

it is Blacks against police violence

And that's the biggest flaw in your logic in the title. Don't commit crimes and you'll have less interactions with police. If there's less crime an argument can be made to have less cops further lessening interactions with law enforcement. The solution has always been there for all victims of police brutality. White, brown, black, yellow, etc should stop committing crimes if they don't want interaction with the cops. It happens to all races, so it's comical that you are singling out blacks.

And before anyone gets up in arms, any person without a weapon should not die at the hands of the police. Especially if you've got 4:1. This current situation was obviously wrong and the officers will get their time.

The idea that looting and rioting is going to change a damn thing is ridiculous. Bad cops will always exist, but this isn't some rampant thing it's made out to be. Don't commit crimes and you don't have to deal with it. It's not the 80' or 90's anymore either, the driving while black thing or stop and frisk has been mostly been a thing of the past at this point. Stop making up bullshit excuses for communities that are out of control. Get them under control. That starts within the community. Ain't no one gonna do it for ya. Be men and not cowards.

curious2 says

I left PatNet long ago but decided to read perspectives on the unprecedented current nationwide madness and found this.

This just a short term visit? Or you staying for a while again? Didn't always agree, but you've always had well thought out, detailed comments. That happens less and less now unfortunately.

Tim Aurora says

In Edwardsville, Ill., a largely white crowd chants, ‘I can’t breathe’

Beautiful scene of peceful protest in SC:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267303761745252353?s=20

Blacks and whites unite in peaceful protest against police brutality:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267303761745252353?s=20

Protests are fine. Vandalism, murder, assault and looting are not.

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/the-range-classroom/

jazz_music says

All this subcontracting, independent contractors, … was a scam, a scam meant to circumvent paying going wages and benefits, … to enhance profit margins; a scam that transferred more wealth to the top.

Or you could be intelligent and game the tax system like you think your overlords do. It's not hard. Get an FEIN number, register with your state and start writing off frivolous expenses. The IRS is not going to come after under $10k most the time. I've done it for years while still following federal tax law. Nothing illegal. You hate the game, yet give a pass to the game creators that you want more of.... government.

You basically want more of what causes you problems. We're not ass holes here, there's just a massive flaw in the point of view you have. Government is going to fix the problem of itself? That's literally what you ask for in your post. Government is the cause of pretty much everything you bring up here.

jazz_music says

America has plenty of law enforcement, prosecutors and prison cells for those who loot a Whole Foods

Orly? Where are they for the last 3-4 days?

I agree with you on a lot of this @jazz_music

jazz_music says

Here, in the SF Bay Area, time and again, we saw vans loads of undocumented Hispanics under a ‘Labor Contractor’ come in from the Central Valley to build condos

Yes, obviously illegals are used to drive down wages for American citizens. That is why they are protected by "sanctuary laws".

jazz_music says

after the H1B Immigration Act of 1990, Microsoft could hire programmers from India for one-half the cost of a citizen programmer. Half of Bill Gates’ fortune was resultant these labor savings; the other half was made off those not US Citizens

Again, yes, obviously the entire goal of the H1B program is to drive down wages. It has no other purpose. It exist in order to directly harm US citizens.

jazz_music says

The time is now before Trump bankrupts us

That's where you take a wrong turn.

Trump was elected exactly because of the the harmful effects of globalization promoted by Democrats. Trump is the answer, not the problem. At least he's been pretty good so far at pointing out the harms of outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals. Not one Democrat will ever take those positions, because they are paid off with the profits gained by screwing over American citizens.

The right answer is to abandon the Democratic Party and form a new Labor Party which never takes donations or allows influence from any employer big or small.

jazz_music says

Our ruling elites, devoid of leadership, are little more than the scum of self-interested, greedy grifters who rose to the top of America's foul-smelling stew of corruption.

You've described the Democratic Party perfectly.

The whole entertainment industry has turned to fetid shit, and most all degenerates from all races, are quite content listening and watching most vile and vulgar disgusting filth.

You are citing the same idiots that will listen to music all day long tossing the Nigger word around, while they point their fingers at Patriots and call them racists for nothing.

Go sell that bullshit somewhere else.

jazz_music says

This is the righteous beginning of the people taking back the driver seat.

Ah, it all makes sense now: these animals broke into MB dealership in Oakland two days ago to take the driver seat!



Shall we presume the driver seat was taken from that AMG GT Coupe they subsequently set on fire?

jazz_music says

the atrocities mentioned above

This happened a long time before the 80's or automation. The black thug culture is a product, ironically, of the Civil Rights era. In the late 60's, young blacks under the influence of their leaders H. Rap Brown, Stokely Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver along with the Black Panther party rejected assimilation into mainstream American society advocated by MLK for, well, the black thug culture of violence, hatred of The Man and capitalism, involvement in the drug culture and every other self-destructive impulse known to mankind. This was aided by the social engineering schemes of the Great Society that insisted no man could live in a home where a welfare check was being received. This resulted in generations born into bastardy without a strong male influence and social uselessness. The huge majority of these people rioting have never spent a gainful day of employment in their lives and don't intend to. Their's is the smash and grab mentality and puts them in harm's way of authority by their own devices. Young blacks before the 1960's were employed, even at lower ranking jobs than whites, but these murderous impulses never occurred to the majority of them.

Exactly!

You know, we really have the same feelings about the harms of globalization. I just see Trump actively doing things to counter it, where you don't seem to see those things.

jazz_music says

Oh great a fucking comedian.

This is exactly what is wrong with Americans.

It's you and yours who are fucking comedians with your attempts to dress simple looting, attacking of people who have nothing to do with your "grievances" and general monkey behaviour into some kind of noble toga of "protest" and "demand for justice". There are plenty of methods to make yourself heard, especially if you have numbers behind you, they are just don't come with side bonuses of free Nike shoes and LV bags.

I would even understand direct fighting with police, bringing the fight to the enemy so to speak, but attacking and beating down elderly shop owners, looting jewelry stores... Lowest of the fucking low. Filthy scum.

You deserve neither sympathy nor respect. Your "outrage" rings hollow and fake.

When you go Looting and leave with nothing but your dick in your hand, because the rich white Liberal kids got there first and got all of the good stuff.

zzyzzx says

covid_shmovid says

I would even understand direct fighting with police, bringing the fight to the enemy so to speak, but attacking and beating down elderly shop owners, looting jewelry stores... Lowest of the fucking low. Filthy scum.

You deserve neither sympathy nor respect. Your "outrage" rings hollow and fake.

Yup X 100. Convoluted response in 5...4...3...2...1...

Allah Akbars handing out Molotovs arrested. Both are Lawyers

They also threw molotovs at police vehicles

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This is all part of deflection, a typical tactic by the ChiComs as well as their Democrat Party allies. They are placing blame on Trump. But really it is about Trump voters.

Plus it serves the purpose of getting the ChiCom candidate Joe Biden in the White House.

"By any means necessary"
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Well sounds like to me the Liberals need to fire all of the Democrat cops and hire back those Conservative cops, that Tweeted about the thugs, they arrested that was doing stupid shit.

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So let me guess, let's "fundamentally transform" America ?

Does that mean that mean open borders, giving free passes to the Chinese Communists, etc. ?

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WookieMan says

Didn't always agree, but you've always had well thought out, detailed comments. That happens less and less now unfortunately.

I second this - always enjoyed @curious2 posts.

jazz_music says

Trump making the greatest promises ever and posing for executive Order PR shots.

So if Trump would just fulfill his campaign promises you'd have no issue with him?

Great we agree on everything.

Trump isn't dividing anybody.

The Media is.

Fuck, Fredo on CNN was all about "Two Americas" tonight. There's even a fucking thread on this very forum by a Leftist encouraging division with the same angle.

Stop creating drama and then claiming somebody else started it.

jazz_music says

Activism is the only way

Activism against what? There's more opportunity out there than there ever has been. People can bitch all they want, they're just wasting their time. You can literally sail around the world, drink and party and get paid for it. It's not everyone else's fault you're too lazy to take advantage of the modern day opportunities.

Many Fools have made themselves known when they blame the racism and division wholly or majorly on Trump. You could make an argument that he's responsible for SOME of it, but the VAST majority of it comes from the media and politicians.

The BLM movement started under Obama.
The Occupy Wallstreet movement started under Obama.

Our current unrest has basically the same grievances as those movements.

All of these are little Frankenstein creations of the media. They find a divisive coal, and then the media and politicians blow on it until its a fire.

The left and the right actually have a common enemy when it comes to the media.

Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is. Lebron is the opressed and Trump is the compressor and talking about violence ( the only leader to do so). That is how out of touch the alt-right racist are.

LeBron is oppressed? In what world is that? And the hypocrisy of his current stance versus human rights in china (vs making big money there) is telling. Oh wait - we can't comment on China as it is not our country and is none of our business. Right.... Or maybe you are just trolling....

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Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit. You do not understand the plight of those living under police harassment.

I suspect when there is protest against this type of behavior (which is hardly an isolated incident), then there will be consensus on "fundamentally transforming" the police as well as the rest of America.




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So, Trump is dividing America with this State of the Union speech. Oh wait, wrong president:
www.youtube.com/embed/KmFUsAd70zo&feature=youtu.be