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I agree with you on a lot of this @jazz_music

jazz_music says

Here, in the SF Bay Area, time and again, we saw vans loads of undocumented Hispanics under a ‘Labor Contractor’ come in from the Central Valley to build condos

Yes, obviously illegals are used to drive down wages for American citizens. That is why they are protected by "sanctuary laws".

jazz_music says

after the H1B Immigration Act of 1990, Microsoft could hire programmers from India for one-half the cost of a citizen programmer. Half of Bill Gates’ fortune was resultant these labor savings; the other half was made off those not US Citizens

Again, yes, obviously the entire goal of the H1B program is to drive down wages. It has no other purpose. It exist in order to directly harm US citizens.

jazz_music says

The time is now before Trump bankrupts us

That's where you take a wrong turn.

Trump was elected exactly because of the the harmful effects of globalization promoted by Democrats. Trump is the answer, not the problem. At least he's been pretty good so far at pointing out the harms of outsourcing to China and insourcing illegals. Not one Democrat will ever take those positions, because they are paid off with the profits gained by screwing over American citizens.

The right answer is to abandon the Democratic Party and form a new Labor Party which never takes donations or allows influence from any employer big or small.

jazz_music says

Our ruling elites, devoid of leadership, are little more than the scum of self-interested, greedy grifters who rose to the top of America's foul-smelling stew of corruption.

You've described the Democratic Party perfectly.

The whole entertainment industry has turned to fetid shit, and most all degenerates from all races, are quite content listening and watching most vile and vulgar disgusting filth.

You are citing the same idiots that will listen to music all day long tossing the Nigger word around, while they point their fingers at Patriots and call them racists for nothing.

Go sell that bullshit somewhere else.

jazz_music says

This is the righteous beginning of the people taking back the driver seat.

Ah, it all makes sense now: these animals broke into MB dealership in Oakland two days ago to take the driver seat!



Shall we presume the driver seat was taken from that AMG GT Coupe they subsequently set on fire?

jazz_music says

the atrocities mentioned above

This happened a long time before the 80's or automation. The black thug culture is a product, ironically, of the Civil Rights era. In the late 60's, young blacks under the influence of their leaders H. Rap Brown, Stokely Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver along with the Black Panther party rejected assimilation into mainstream American society advocated by MLK for, well, the black thug culture of violence, hatred of The Man and capitalism, involvement in the drug culture and every other self-destructive impulse known to mankind. This was aided by the social engineering schemes of the Great Society that insisted no man could live in a home where a welfare check was being received. This resulted in generations born into bastardy without a strong male influence and social uselessness. The huge majority of these people rioting have never spent a gainful day of employment in their lives and don't intend to. Their's is the smash and grab mentality and puts them in harm's way of authority by their own devices. Young blacks before the 1960's were employed, even at lower ranking jobs than whites, but these murderous impulses never occurred to the majority of them.

Exactly!

You know, we really have the same feelings about the harms of globalization. I just see Trump actively doing things to counter it, where you don't seem to see those things.

jazz_music says

Oh great a fucking comedian.

This is exactly what is wrong with Americans.

It's you and yours who are fucking comedians with your attempts to dress simple looting, attacking of people who have nothing to do with your "grievances" and general monkey behaviour into some kind of noble toga of "protest" and "demand for justice". There are plenty of methods to make yourself heard, especially if you have numbers behind you, they are just don't come with side bonuses of free Nike shoes and LV bags.

I would even understand direct fighting with police, bringing the fight to the enemy so to speak, but attacking and beating down elderly shop owners, looting jewelry stores... Lowest of the fucking low. Filthy scum.

You deserve neither sympathy nor respect. Your "outrage" rings hollow and fake.

When you go Looting and leave with nothing but your dick in your hand, because the rich white Liberal kids got there first and got all of the good stuff.

zzyzzx says

covid_shmovid says

I would even understand direct fighting with police, bringing the fight to the enemy so to speak, but attacking and beating down elderly shop owners, looting jewelry stores... Lowest of the fucking low. Filthy scum.

You deserve neither sympathy nor respect. Your "outrage" rings hollow and fake.

Yup X 100. Convoluted response in 5...4...3...2...1...

Allah Akbars handing out Molotovs arrested. Both are Lawyers

They also threw molotovs at police vehicles

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This is all part of deflection, a typical tactic by the ChiComs as well as their Democrat Party allies. They are placing blame on Trump. But really it is about Trump voters.

Plus it serves the purpose of getting the ChiCom candidate Joe Biden in the White House.

"By any means necessary"
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Well sounds like to me the Liberals need to fire all of the Democrat cops and hire back those Conservative cops, that Tweeted about the thugs, they arrested that was doing stupid shit.

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So let me guess, let's "fundamentally transform" America ?

Does that mean that mean open borders, giving free passes to the Chinese Communists, etc. ?

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WookieMan says

Didn't always agree, but you've always had well thought out, detailed comments. That happens less and less now unfortunately.

I second this - always enjoyed @curious2 posts.

jazz_music says

Trump making the greatest promises ever and posing for executive Order PR shots.

So if Trump would just fulfill his campaign promises you'd have no issue with him?

Great we agree on everything.

Trump isn't dividing anybody.

The Media is.

Fuck, Fredo on CNN was all about "Two Americas" tonight. There's even a fucking thread on this very forum by a Leftist encouraging division with the same angle.

Stop creating drama and then claiming somebody else started it.

jazz_music says

Activism is the only way

Activism against what? There's more opportunity out there than there ever has been. People can bitch all they want, they're just wasting their time. You can literally sail around the world, drink and party and get paid for it. It's not everyone else's fault you're too lazy to take advantage of the modern day opportunities.

Many Fools have made themselves known when they blame the racism and division wholly or majorly on Trump. You could make an argument that he's responsible for SOME of it, but the VAST majority of it comes from the media and politicians.

The BLM movement started under Obama.
The Occupy Wallstreet movement started under Obama.

Our current unrest has basically the same grievances as those movements.

All of these are little Frankenstein creations of the media. They find a divisive coal, and then the media and politicians blow on it until its a fire.

The left and the right actually have a common enemy when it comes to the media.

Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is. Lebron is the opressed and Trump is the compressor and talking about violence ( the only leader to do so). That is how out of touch the alt-right racist are.

LeBron is oppressed? In what world is that? And the hypocrisy of his current stance versus human rights in china (vs making big money there) is telling. Oh wait - we can't comment on China as it is not our country and is none of our business. Right.... Or maybe you are just trolling....

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Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit. You do not understand the plight of those living under police harassment.

I suspect when there is protest against this type of behavior (which is hardly an isolated incident), then there will be consensus on "fundamentally transforming" the police as well as the rest of America.




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So, Trump is dividing America with this State of the Union speech. Oh wait, wrong president:
www.youtube.com/embed/KmFUsAd70zo&feature=youtu.be

Tim Aurora says

I think the last LeBron Meme tells you all about Alt Right gaslighting. LeBron is not the govt, Trump is. Lebron is the opressed and Trump is the compressor and talking about violence ( the only leader to do so). That is how out of touch the alt-right racist are.

you must have missed the press conference

Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit. You do not understand the plight of those living under police harassment.

Honest question to any thoughtful Liberal or Progressive here.

Do you really think the biggest problem facing the African American community is systemic racism and police brutality in Democrat controlled cities like Seattle, LA, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Atlanta, DC and Philadelphia? If so, how did these Democrat run cities stay so racist for decades despite being run by Democrats and people of color?

I argue the biggest problem for African Americans is the staggering percent of black children being born without Dad's in their lives guaranteeing them to live in a life of poverty, ignorance and crime.

The guy who said that they “are coming to the suburbs” is clueless.
The cops there are not under the direction of the lefty liberal mayors running cities. They won’t pussyfoot around with invaders from the city.
Of course, in the suburbs guys also are armed, so don’t try barging in someone’s place.

clambo says

The guy who said that they “are coming to the suburbs” is clueless.
The cops there are not under the direction of the lefty liberal mayors running cities. They won’t pussyfoot around with invaders from the city.
Of course, in the suburbs guys also are armed, so don’t try barging in someone’s place.

Just got word from a credible source that they're looking to hit my town tonight. We're a rural farm town of like 2,200 people. Enjoy. I have no problem killing someone and neither do most the gun owners out here. I'm actually looking forward to it. This is planned people. One of the county cops in town has a credible threat on him. This is beyond fucked up. Kind of excited though.

NDrLoR says

the atrocities mentioned above

This happened a long time before the 80's or automation. The black thug culture is a product, ironically, of the Civil Rights era. In the late 60's, young blacks under the influence of their leaders H. Rap Brown, Stokely Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver along with the Black Panther party rejected assimilation into mainstream American society advocated by MLK for, well, the black thug culture of violence, hatred of The Man and capitalism, involvement in the drug culture and every other self-destructive impulse known to mankind.

Something I'd like to point out is that the black community has been intentionally subverted a few times.

For example: when rap music first showed up in the 1980's, it was political and forward thinking. It wasn't violent, it wasn't glorifying drugs, it was progressive in that it was taking an honest look at issues the black community faced. Here, this is comedy, but it's spot on:

www.youtube.com/embed/tFwsQd-07Yw

Rap music in the later 80's just glorified drugs, promiscuous sex, money, violence. It promoted the most base and damaging things for a young person to do.

Drugs were thrown into poor urban areas. People couldn't get welfare if a man lived in the house originally. There is systemic racism. The black community was intentionally hobbled and they were targeted to make them government dependents.

SunnyvaleCA says

Do you really think the biggest problem facing the African American community is systemic racism and police brutality in Democrat controlled cities like Seattle, LA, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Atlanta, DC and Philadelphia? If so, how did these Democrat run cities stay so racist for decades despite being run by Democrats and people of color?

I'm not really a progressive, but I think I can answer this.

It was a deliberate choice to make the black community dependent on the government and to weaken their families. Welfare wasn't available to married couples at one time - it created an economic incentive for black families to be broken up. Feminists also targeted the black community promoting that concept that single mothers were "strong" and "independent". The first MRA type people came out of the black community, from the 1970s.

socal2 says

I argue the biggest problem for African Americans is the staggering percent of black children being born without Dad's in their lives guaranteeing them to live in a life of poverty, ignorance and crime.

I'd agree.

But what you have to look at is that the government itself gives financial incentives to black women to have children, and to not have a nuclear family.

The government also pumps in drugs to black communities, gives them terrible education in urban schools.

As insane as this may be to say, segregation may have been better for the black community than not having it at one time. Back in the 1950's, Harlem was a prosperous, clean, well kept area of NYC - but you wouldn't go into that area if you were white unless you had a chaperon to go with who was black and familiar with the area. You would have been regarded as a troublemaker and targeted. White people experienced the same exact discrimination in a black area that a black person would face when being in a white area.

In either case, ending segregation helped the Democratic party because THEY were able to convince the public they were responsible for ending "racism" - even though they weren't. They then setup programs that made black people dependent on their policies that conservatives claimed to be against further getting black people to align with the democratic party. Whether this was well thought out and planned, or if it just happened - who is to say?

Tim Aurora says

You are saying that BLM is not legit.

BLM meetings open and close with a poem by fugitive Cop Killer, Asshat Shakur, real name Joanne Chresimard, who hides out in the Authoritarian Dictatorship of Cuba.

www.youtube.com/embed/SNayoOysBLY

Here we go with the goal post shifting.

I thought this was about a nasty cop in a Far Left for Decades City, rep'd by Ilhan Omar, Mayor is a Trudeau Clone, killing somebody.

Is it also about Medicaid Money for Marijuana Smokers and Homeopathy now?

[ sarcasm on ]

Yay! Let's justify a bunch of shitheads, infiltrating peaceful demonstrations orchestrated by the middle 30%-70% of income, by pointing it on the rich.

[ sarcasm off ]

Let me tell you ... Boston was peaceful, from dawn till 8 PM. Those were peaceful folks holding up signs in memory of George Floyd.

And then, the rioters showed up and turned the city into a shit show. I saw the difference between night and day. This is not a 1% vs 99% debate. It's about psychos vs civilized citizenry.

The real class war is about 20% of the country that is independent of the health of the Economy and Normal Behavior- Teachers, most other Gov't Employees, and Lumpenproles.

They can take society to the edge without worrying about their next meal.

The richest Americans have to pay a tax to spend every dollar of their money, it’s called the capital gains tax.

They having a net worth pumped up by others in the auction called the “stock market” doesn’t impoverish anyone.

A guy somewhere has a Picasso hanging in his house worth millions; does he hurt your ability to get money and have fun?

Rioters are bored kids out of school or work, looters are just thieves and losers.

Addendum:
The serious crime of the evil rich is the outsourcing of American jobs and importing foreign labor to depress their wages and steal their children's future.

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Its a play on words or political rhetoric that cleverly disguises left wing ideology with the label "AntiFa" or anti-fascist.

Whereas, the goal is to realize a left wing authoritarian government at the central level and then work its way to the local level.

Hence, by the Left attaching to the AntiFa label, if you criticize their actions, you get falsely labeled as being supportive of fascism.

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