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Nope, despite 5 years of Media Bashing and Blackguarding constantly, the COVID Hype, and the Left Wing Riots, Trump's approval never goes below the low 40s, that's his Floor.

There's overwhelming enthusiasm from Trump supporters, and bupkiss enthusiasm from Biden Supporters. Shit, we couldn't get Dems on this board to pick a few frontrunners before Super Tuesday was fixed by the DNC. And Biden's name never came up.

The Democrats are lucky their convention is planned to be virtual, otherwise Bastard Little Marxists and Anarchists would be rioting outside of it, and we'd have 68 Convention all over again.

rdm says

Sorry boys, the cake is baked. Sure the polls were off some in 2016 and could be off some now. And the electoral college, and Biden and and and and. It isn't going to be enough.

Even before the riots, I counted half a dozen SoCal friends (surfers and neighbors) who all said they were going to vote for Trump this year and were previously Obama and Hillary voters. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and will enthusiastically vote for him in November.

Then the COVID lock-downs and riots hit and apolitical and left-leaning people like my wife were red-pilled. She can't believe how crazy the Democrats have become and has openly told our children that she will hold her nose and vote for Trump this year. California's AB-5 law punishing gig workers isn't helping Democrats either.

I know this only anecdotal, but don't believe Trump will lose more of his 2016 voters compared to who he will gain in 2020.

rdm says

Sorry boys, the cake is baked. Sure the polls were off some in 2016 and could be off some now. And the electoral college, and Biden and and and and. It isn't going to be enough. You can spend 5 billion demonizing Biden, it wont work. People will vote against Trump to throw him out. Biden doesn't need to do much of anything. Just breathe, pick a halfway decent VP, not use the N word and he wins. Even massive voter suppression probably wont work. people showed in Wisc. and Georgia they will risk getting sick and spending a day standing inline at a friggin primary. A blood bath awaits the Republicans. People that hate Trump outnumber those that love him to the point that even the electoral college can't pull his tiny walnuts out of the fire.

Why are you gloating about this? You think if they come to cancel you you show them that you didn't vote for Trump and they leave you alone? Fat chance. Ok you don't like Trump and have your reasons, but voting against cancel culture is more important for your own good than voting against Trump. If the leftoids were what they used to be during the Bill Clinton era that would be a different ballgame.

If the left wins after such bad behavior it will embolden them to become even worse. Their existence is a based on a fallacy of some communist utopian dream that in no way shape or form works in the real world with humans and the flaws we all carry. Trump has to win to bring them the harsh reality that not everyone agrees with what they think or what they have been taught in their bubble, just like sometimes the right needs the same knocked off their high horse.

I think if the left didn’t mindlessly go after Trump like a bunch of raving lunatics the last four years and had a mediocre candidate this would have been an easy win for them but instead, they kept doubling down on crazy. Burning down everything that has to do with the successful civilization that build everything is no way to a victory.

ad says

Real Clear Politics had Clinton ahead of Trump in its final poll at 3.3%. The final result was she won the popular vote by 2.1%, Some of the national polls like Monmouth pool had Clinton up by at least 6% the week before the election.

Pollsters always tighten up their data the week before the election so they can show that their final polls were only a few points off and cover up all their push polling.

I keenly remember all the polls weeks and months before the 2016 election showing Trump 10+ points behind Clinton in National and several Battleground State polls.

Patrick says

Polling is an art as well as a science.

Its neither...its a fraud...especially now when people are afraid to speak their mind due to cancel culture.

rdm says

Sorry boys, the cake is baked. Sure the polls were off some in 2016 and could be off some now. And the electoral college, and Biden and and and and. It isn't going to be enough. You can spend 5 billion demonizing Biden, it wont work. People will vote against Trump to throw him out. Biden doesn't need to do much of anything. Just breathe, pick a halfway decent VP, not use the N word and he wins. Even massive voter suppression probably wont work. people showed in Wisc. and Georgia they will risk getting sick and spending a day standing inline at a friggin primary. A blood bath awaits the Republicans. People that hate Trump outnumber those that love him to the point that even the electoral college can't pull his tiny walnuts out of the fire.

Good. Make sure to inform all your friends that Biden's victory is assured.

mell says

You think if they come to cancel you you show them that you didn't vote for Trump and they leave you alone

I must admit I didn't know what "cancel culture" is. I could care less, from a personal standpoint it is meaningless.

NoCoupForYou says

Trump's approval never goes below the low 40s,

How do you win with 42%? In fair election it would take a decent 3rd party that drew mainly from the Dems. That doesn't seem at all likely. Bernie personally likes Biden. Trump has never expanded his support only maintained it. Of course, he could draw a royal flush, and win but the odds are small.

rdm says

I must admit I didn't know what "cancel culture" is.

You should learn about it. It's what is going to be the undoing of many things in your and our lives. If you have a wrong thought or idea you literally can and will be fired from a job. Have family disown you. It's happening.

The problem is you will no longer realize what is a "wrong" idea depending on what party is in charge. It's bad for everyone left, right or center. But it has been created by the left.

The only ppl who're at all excited about voting for Biden live in Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, DC, Chicago, SoCal, and the SFBA. And that's because these areas always vote Democrat in any national election.

And if Cenk Uygur's show is any indication, even the politically moderate-to-progressive Trump haters don't believe in Biden because he can't inspire anyone, living in the swing states, esp young voters at places like Dayton, Indianapolis, etc. With that in mind, many won't show up and Trump wins the areas which he needs to win.

rdm says

How do you win with 42%? In fair election it would take a decent 3rd party that drew mainly from the Dems. That doesn't seem at all likely. Bernie personally likes Biden. Trump has never expanded his support only maintained it. Of course, he could draw a royal flush, and win but the odds are small.

It's approval rating. It's a metric. Also, if you win the right states, 42% can win you an election with no 3rd party. Electoral college. Win the right states and you win. Pretty cool system/idea. I certainly don't want my own state's policies governing our country. A lot of people would be hurting.

TrumpingTits says

WookieMan says

If you have a wrong thought or idea you literally can and will be fired from a job.

I already get to scratch that one off my bucket list.

You got canned from a job for something you said? I hope not. That's fucked up even though I know it's happening in a lot of places. I don't want to see people lose jobs, even ones I disagree with. Shitty it's coming to this.

TrumpingTits says

WookieMan says

If you have a wrong thought or idea you literally can and will be fired from a job.

I already get to scratch that one off my bucket list.

I usually wait until my last day at work before wearing Trump gear. Sadly I didn't do this because nobody was in the office that day anyway.

I think Trump is going to win again.

But we all need to make damn sure to vote for him, to make the margin as large as possible.

Rin says

And if Cenk Uygur's show is any indication, even the politically moderate-to-progressive Trump haters don't believe in Biden because he can't inspire anyone, living in the swing states, esp young voters at places like Dayton, Indianapolis, etc. With that in mind, many won't show up and Trump wins the areas which he needs to win.

I don't think he is any indication, he is a sour grapes leftist. Biden doesn't inspire much. But Trump does; both love and hate there is no middle ground or very little. Trump won because people hated Hillary more than they feared Trump. The tables are now turned. Trump has proved for many people to be an incompetent, corrupt liar and a wannabe autocrat. He is now known Biden is known. Biden is not feared, Trump is. Fear is the great motivator. The cake is baked. I think the polls will probably tighten, but Biden wins.

Patrick says

But we all need to make damn sure to vote for him, to make the margin as large as possible.

If you don't have a 2nd address in a swing state, your vote is useless. I have one in a midwest state, away from Massachusetts, and that's where I'll cast my ballot.

So no, it's not 'we all', it's the we of Iowa, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, Minnesota, Georgia, etc.

If you only live in the greater Boston, NYC, DC, Chicago, LA, & SFBA areas, your vote doesn't count,

Rin says

Trump haters don't believe in Biden because he can't inspire anyone, living

You forgot about the dead.

rdm says

Trump won because people hated Hillary more than they feared Trump.

Not true, the party of Bill and now, Hillary Clinton, have turned corporatist and in effect, have told the midwest to take programming classes or attend Yale Law to get a job.

Even Biden told coal miners to taking coding classes to make a living. Sorry, but that trick ain't going to fly anymore.

And as for Trump, since 1985, he's been known to be a complete sleazebag. Little has changed since then, but ppl still voted for him. Watch this whole thing repeat itself come November.

rdm says

The cake is baked.

Nope, just like the botched Hydroxycloroquinone study which used an antibiotic (useless against any virus) vs Zinc (a viral replication inhibitor) and included end-of-life patients unlike the South Korean study. Remember, I used 'real science' and have an applied chemistry background when you had nothing to say about it. And later, that study was retracted.

These polls are no different than the above.

rdm says

I could care less, from a personal standpoint it is meaningless.

So you do care a lot...Now if you couldn't care less, that would make more sense.

FuckCCP89 says

Sorry boys, the cake is baked.

yes it is and has been for the last 2 years..Trump rolls to victory in 2020 and libs go bezerk and start burning shit...winning is hard...lol....especially with a candidate with alzheimers.

Rin says

And as for Trump, since 1985, he's been known to be a complete sleazebag

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Isn't that an impeachable offense?

rdm says

Trump won because people hated Hillary more than they feared Trump.

Do you fear Trump? lol..And the corona virus, climate change, North korea, Russia, China, etc? That's a lot of fear for one person.

Rin says

So no, it's not 'we all', it's the we of Iowa, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, Minnesota, Georgia, etc.

I re-registered in Brevard, where I own a home, from Broward, where I was getting mail.

I'm 99% sure my vote wasn't counted by Snipes in 2016.

Another Clinton Suicide

https://deadline.com/2020/06/steve-bing-dead-philanthropist-film-financier-1202966891/

Rin says

Not true, the party of Bill and now, Hillary Clinton, have turned corporatist

And the Republicans are not? Look at the tax bill. Trump has economic populist rhetoric but the results speak otherwise. The rest of the Republican party is totally corporatist, even in rhetoric.
Rin says

Even Biden told coal miners to taking coding classes

Coal is essentially dead, as it should be. Why do we need 19th century energy sources in the 21st?

Rin says

Trump, since 1985, he's been known to be a complete sleazebag. Little has changed since then, but ppl still voted for him

People actually believe(d) he was a successful and competent businessman, he is neither but the con worked(s). That plus hatred of Hillary, the evangelicals and the I want a tax cut and don't give a shit about anything elsers', as well as populist and xenophobic rhetoric and he squeaked by in Penn, Mich. and Wisc. for the win. Don't see it happening again. He has not expanded his support, has shown his abject incompetence and corruption. Can he maintain in the states he won against Biden is the question and it looks unlikely, possible, but unlikely.

rdm says

I must admit I didn't know what "cancel culture" is. I could care less, from a personal standpoint it is meaningless.

FFS - it is kind of you to admit that you live in a total bubble.

In case you have missed it over the last few weeks, our Founding Fathers are getting "cancelled" all over the country being called racists and having their statues ripped down by your Taliban brothers.

The National Anthem is being cancelled at sporting events. Aunt Jemima? Eskimo Pies? Uncle Bens?

Our entire fucking history is being cancelled with the NYTimes B.S. 1619 project now being taught at our schools.

socal2 says

Our entire fucking history is being cancelled with the NYTimes B.S. 1619 project now being taught at our schools.

History isn't statues...it's in your mind...It's your job to teach your children.

Do we yet have a "poorly phrased" statement from either candidate such that, when he loses, we can point to it and pretend that was the defining moment? I'm thinking something like Romney's "47 percent" or "Binders full of women." For Hillary it's the "basket of deplorables."

TrumpingTits says

rdm says

Coal is essentially dead, as it should be

Tell that to the Indians, Chinese and a whole slew of nations that don't seem to give a flying fuck what rdm says on the subject.

They are building new coal plants and plan to build more, while outright lying about it.

Well said. It was amazing to me a few months ago when at lunch with colleagues how clueless they are about coal. Their thinking was that if just those "backwards" people in Pennsylvania would stop mining coal we'd be halfway towards global cooling or something. Nobody would believe the enormous rate at which China is building new coal-fired plants until I found information on the internet.

komputodo says

History isn't statues...it's in your mind...It's your job to teach your children.

Sure - but when your kids come home from school being taught bastardized Howard Zinn or 1619 History, it makes it alot harder to keep your kids from turning into Democrat retards.

socal2 says

komputodo says

History isn't statues...it's in your mind...It's your job to teach your children.

Sure - but when your kids come home from school being taught bastardized Howard Zinn or 1619 History, it makes it alot harder to keep your kids from turning into Democrat retards.

Nobody ever said that raising children properly was easy.

socal2 says

Sure - but when your kids come home from school being taught bastardized Howard Zinn or 1619 History, it makes it alot harder to keep your kids from turning into Democrat retards.

This and other influences make me wonder how positive the posts I've seen on here about how the shit stains on the left aren't reproducing anymore vs. the religious right. Many get picked off. Many desire to be picked off.

Although I hope the prediction comes true.

Tempting to move back to Michigan to vote there. I lived there for quite a while.

Maybe it's best if people worry trump won't get elected again.

Patrick says

I lived there for quite a while.

I'm considering helping out in Florida eventually. It's the furthest mainland from CA. Might be sooner than I'd planned.

rdm says

People actually believe(d) he was a successful and competent businessman

Nobody believes that a casino owner is anything less than a shady operator and Trump has never truly shaken that image, despite the success of 'The Apprentice'. So yes, he's a success story but is clearly not viewed as a Steve Jobs type of industry hero, but that of an antihero, a guy who mingles with the mob.

Think Vin Diesel/Jason Statham/Snake Plissken, not Captain America.

rdm says

Rin says

And if Cenk Uygur's show is any indication, even the politically moderate-to-progressive Trump haters don't believe in Biden because he can't inspire anyone, living in the swing states, esp young voters at places like Dayton, Indianapolis, etc. With that in mind, many won't show up and Trump wins the areas which he needs to win.

I don't think he is any indication, he is a sour grapes leftist.

It's strange but until Super Tuesday, I would have agreed but then afterwards, I've heard Mass and NY Democratic moderates wail on their own party for caving in and agreeing to a sock puppet for plutocrats, like Biden. And then one of them, an old classmate from college, mentioned Cenk, as a guy who up until a year ago, he'd thought was a useless talking head; and then he agreed with him, saying that they expected much more their party since 2017, just like Cenk, but w/o too much love for either Bernie or Warren.

Now, these are mature/older Massholes and New Yorkers, imagine the rust belt where there's even less interest in the party of the Clintons. And Cenk's main audience are the younger voters which include places like Ohio State, Indiana U, etc. If none of those younger voters come out to vote for Biden, then Biden's toast in the midwest outside of Chicago.


rdm says

Coal is essentially dead, as it should be. Why do we need 19th century energy sources in the 21st?

You miss the point of the sentiment, it's not the actuality of coal vs natural gas vs some other energy source. Telling 'em to 'code' is saying "let 'em eat cake" since most coal miners know that they can't compete against young Carnegie-Mellon grads who BTW, live just next door in Pittsburgh. Remember, you're not trying to get the vote of State Street workers in greater Boston, who already have a BS job (Read: white collar sinecure) doing nothing all day but collecting management fees from their clients.



Patrick says

Tempting to move back to Michigan to vote there. I lived there for quite a while.

just_dregalicious says

I'm considering helping out in Florida eventually.

Ok, now you guys are talking. If you want to make your vote count, then this is exactly what needs to be done. All votes in these states: California, Massachusetts, New York, Illinois (since it's really greater Chicago), Maryland, Vermont, and a few others, don't count.

And for the most part, you just need a utility or rental bill to get on the voting roster. Get an old friend to sublet a storage space, get your bill, register, and vote.

komputodo says

rdm says

Trump won because people hated Hillary more than they feared Trump.

Do you fear Trump? lol..And the corona virus, climate change, North korea, Russia, China, etc? That's a lot of fear for one person.

Aside from rdm, the rest of the public is afraid of rioting mobs, endless wars in the middle east, and of course the job market.

Since Trump isn't actually Robespierre and sending in these mobs, antifa or not, into the cities then people won't fear him. Realize, Trump's threatened to send in the US army but has still held back, letting the local governors and majors deal with the situation. So where's Robespierre? Most Americans would be scared if he were President or an unofficial Dictator-at-large creating havoc wherever he goes?

As for the middle east, there hasn't been a new war in years. And I've already created a whole thread on the number of US troops abroad so that's a strawman.

https://patrick.net/post/1329577/2020-01-08-rin-s-real-politik-on-trump-s-war-policy-part-ii

And finally, the job market ... hey, guess what? We're in a pandemic (with a forced shutdown) and a lot of ppl are able to collect unemployment with added payments up to $600/week more than the standard UI. Well, that about all one can do under the circumstances.

Rin says

Steve Jobs type of industry hero

But Steve is dead and Donald is not! Don would have listened to the docs unlike Steve who'd still be alive today! Plus apple sucks balls these days anyway. Ever see those Louis Rossmann vids:
www.youtube.com/embed/_b3tnN7AtkI