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Wealth gap arguments often run the same lines as the gender pay gap. One side argues that the existence of the gap "proves" racism or sexism. The other side agrees there is a gap but that there are many reasons for the gap and only one part of the gap derives from the 'ism.

As Jordan Peterson would note: You need to run a multivariate analysis. Who has run and published a multivariate analysis (and lived to tell the tale)? Hernstein and Murray's huge book had one tiny portion that slightly touched on one other variable that might be part of a multivariate analysis... they didn't survive.

@TPB very interesting "observation."

Actually I've been listening to a lot of socially conservative black intellectuals on youtube these past few weeks. Coleman Hughes is by far the youngest one though (24).

marcus says

@TPB very interesting "observation."

I hope you got his meaning. Only a racist would infer that his intellect and the worth of his words would be naturally suspect based on the color of his skin.

marcus says

Actually I've been listening to a lot of socially conservative black intellectuals on youtube these past few weeks.

Voluntarily or via Youtube algos? Youtube is dangerous if you just let it feed you videos. The manipulation is real for either the left or the right.

marcus says

Actually I've been listening to a lot of socially conservative black intellectuals on youtube these past few weeks.

Have you read any of Thomas Sowell's work?

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FuckCCP89 says

For starters: the "racial wealth gap" is somehow reduced to "whities have more than blackies". What about "asians have more than whities"?

The militant Left has a very strict narrative that is anti white, and particularly anti white heterosexual male. They can't deviate from it such as pointing out that Asians represent almost 50% of the workforce in Silicon Valley or that they are the wealthiest ethnic group, even more wealthy than whites.

I think eventually the Left will have no more use for Asians when the demographics work out more in their favor. Then you may hear them address Asians (ie., Chinese, Koreans, etc.) in the same grouping as whites when it comes to socioeconomic privilege.

The Left is patient and just buying time for that to occur.

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marcus says

Young black man, recent Columbia grad (philosophy),

He's just another charismatic young future Obama. So what ? Still has Marxist leanings that are carefully cloaked.

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WookieMan says

Youtube is dangerous if you just let it feed you videos. The manipulation is real for either the left or the right.

yeah, i spent 20 minutes one day going to every fox news video and selecting "remove', then tried google searching a way to BLOCK fox news content. No dice. If you watch candace owens, jordan peterson, joe rogan, and tim pool => apparently that puts you on fox news' team, whether you agree or not. it pisses me off

I've finally got to hear it I was at work earlier.
He said because every white person bought a house in the 40's they were able to pass that wealth down to future generations.
Now Class! Does a home produce wealth? Not that kind of Coin!

Then he goes on to say, that white people are wealthy today because they bought a house in Southern California and was able to flip it.

This guy is as clueless as the Preparations cunt with her essay that he knew the name of and the author. Just a regular Conservative black man my ass.

I had to wait until I was 40 before I ever owned my own home, and my kids were already older than 14. I worked hard and busted my ass, for this fuckwad to dismiss it as, my mom and dad gave it to me, or I flipped a house in the early 2000's.

He's a loser with a good microphone voice. But he's no Thomas Sowell.

I've got shit expired in my medicine cabinet with the use by date older than him. He thinks he has a grasp on our economic history.
Post war was a boom because of our Savings and Loans institutions, that H.W. Bush destroyed, to usher in the Keynesian casino economics, workers are forced to participate in today.

All savers made out, it didn't matter what color you were. If you were prudent enough to squirrel away 10% of your income from every paycheck. You grew real wealth with in a few years. Even with a shitty minimum wage job. If you were willing to sacrifice. That culture, wouldn't have had cell phones, internet, computers, cable and a million service based reoccurring purchases. They barely drank if at all.

Tenpoundbass says

I had to wait until I was 40 before I ever owned my own home, and my kids were already older than 14. I worked hard and busted my ass, for this fuckwad to dismiss it as, my mom and dad gave it to me, or I flipped a house in the early 2000's.

Dave Ramsey is my guilty pleasure. He did a big study of millionaires. One of the findings was that most millionaires didn’t inherit their money, like 80%. Most millionaires just invest regularly in their 401k, don’t buy a bunch of crap they can’t afford on credit, and surprise they manage to save enough to retire.

https://www.daveramsey.com/research/the-national-study-of-millionaires

So anybody that says that someone is poor because of their skin color is just ultimately wrong. Anyone can succeed if they choose to.

A surprisingly large number of millionaires aren't realtors or finance guys, they own car detailing, roofing, etc. businesses.

I have listened to this guy before, and he seems to be extremely reasonable. Not a SJW, logical arguments, you can agree or disagree but he is intelligent and interesting.

Another video:
www.youtube.com/embed/1sV5qU6e-YY&list=PLThjtzdsMeVSEaUBd591Z5SysHsUv0Bx7&index=104

I just listened to the first answer this guy gave about the wealth gap. I agreed with everything he said.

1. Wealth gap isn’t significantly caused by racism
2. Eliminating the wealth gap might not even be desirable
3. If eliminating the wealth gap is your goal, riots are counter productive

He’s basically black trump who talks better.

Second question about the white fragility book. Agreed 100% with what he said. Haven’t read the book but yes, white people should get to have opinions about race just like everyone else and don’t have to shut up and apologize to black people for having them.

Just for fun Marcus, what thing does he say that you think Trump would disagree with?

R's should have this guy run for elected office and then watch how D's destroy themselves.

Topic 3 asking about another crazy book I’m not going to bother to read (this guy does not have a Netflix subscription I bet)

The counter culture movement has become the mainstream culture but is still pretending to be not in power. This is dangerous since obviously they can exert massive power to silence voices they disagree with while still pretending to be fighting the power.

I believe Trump calls this fake news.

Topic 4, what do you think about UCLA professor who was suspended for not delaying final exam for students who were grieving George Floyd.

So I think why this guy doesn’t immediately turn liberals off is he’s smart enough not to answer a gotcha question. Obviously the answer to this is that UCLA is run by morons.

Instead he just points out that while people might be legitimately grieving Floyd, they are mainly doing it because they have been manipulated by the media into thinking black people are being hunted by cops. Instead he points out cops are just killing everyone regardless of race and the media only chooses to only cover blacks being killed.

Trump calls this “all lives matter“.

I still mainly agree with him but I think a point we would disagree on is that police brutality is a significant problem in the US. I agree that cops sometimes do fucked up shit and I’ve seen the videos and they are terrible.

But even if you stopped all police killings of unarmed people you’d only save 1k people a year. There’s probably way easier ways to save the lives of 1k people a year then figuring out how to stop all unarmed police killings. Especially when most police killings can be stopped by

1. Not breaking the law
2. Not resisting arrest

I mean Cuomo gassed 6k old people in a month by sticking Covid patients in nursing homes and he might be president one day.

NoCoupForYou says

marcus says

Although, more likely you only listened to 15 seconds.

It's an hour long. How about a synopsis?

Can you get us a transcript @marcus ?

Sometimes YouTube auto-transcribes whole videos.

I'd like to hear it, but don't have enough time. Reading is way faster, and quotable.

He's a very logical person. I dont see how @marcus isnt disagreeing w coleman hughes. He seemed pretty spot on about everything, yet @marcus disagrees w me on everything...or so i have been led to believe. Did marcus redpill himself?

He's a very logical person. I dont see how @marcus isnt disagreeing w coleman hughes. He seemed pretty spot on about everything, yet @marcus disagrees w me on everything...or so i have been led to believe. Did marcus redpill himself?

I sense Obama tutoring, mentoring and product.

The way he modulates and the SJW bullshit questions he'f fielding. He's answering them on an Obama philosophical waning back and forth. Trying to sound logical, only to swing back and inject more Fuck Whitey bullshit. He's propaganda trying to sell it. I bet this guy knows the name of that Fat bitch that goes around to universities to give Why White people suck lectures. Only some like him would.

Topic 5: Isn’t the perception the media is giving us that black people are being hunted a “Nobel lie” that will speed up police reforms and this justified?

Answer: no because inherently in America where you have more guns then people cops are just going to kill you sometimes if they think you are reaching for a gun. Sometimes that person will be black. If the perception is that black people are being hunted then every time a black person is killed you’ll have riots. Riots are bad.

Agree pretty much, although he asserts there are some police reforms you could do to reduce deaths but then doesn’t specify. I’m not sure how much you could do at this point that would have a significant impact .

I believe Trump also realizing that riots are bad for the African American community tried to discourage them with the phrase “when the looting starts the shooting starts “

"OTOH black lives matter was started because of a white on black homicide...Black lives matter is very much concerned about homicide too, only when its a black person killed by a white person...it is valid to come back and say, why are you not coming back and talking about the elephant in the room. homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men in 20's and early 30's. People dont want to talk about it because its embarrasing. There is shame about acknowledging that America has a violent crime rate many times its european peers almost entirely because of the black crime rate."

I'm confused what point marcus is trying to make w this video. this dude is spot on.

Never trust a trombone player.

Tenpoundbass says

He's answering them on an Obama philosophical waning back and forth

Had the same thought. He’s like a conservative Obama.

I think he’s just young and doesn’t want to lose all his friends by pointing out how stupid liberals are.

So instead of saying “your protests for Floyd are stupid and counterproductive “ instead he’s like: “yeah, great point , police suck man. But hey there’s not much you can do and actually it might be cool if we didn’t have a riot over it man. What do you think?”

Trump’s method of just confronting the lunacy and calling it out is clearly more effective. You can tell from the media bans. The media doesn’t bother banning you if you’re ineffective. This guy is not going to be banned.

Tenpoundbass says

only to swing back and inject more Fuck Whitey bullshit.

When did he do that? This dude is as gentle and reasoned as they come

African immigrants tend to do better than even Asians in wealth acquisition and attaining higher class in America. Clearly this means that the color of their skin isn’t the problem.

ignoreme says

Trump’s method of just confronting the lunacy and calling it out is clearly more effective. You can tell from the media bans. The media doesn’t bother banning you if you’re ineffective.

Theres a real case to be made for the gentle approach.

FYI, Coleman actually testified before Congress on the anti-reparations side.

Topic 6: What do you think about over policing?

Answer: It’s bad because you lose trust. Anti stop and frisk.

I think this is where I’m going to start disagreeing. He says a bunch of stuff like “people are getting busted for weed but murders are going unsolved”

Where’s his data? New York isnt prosecuting people for weed possession. Stop and frisk is manly about taking away guns from gang bangers. And it did reduce murder rates. If BLM then what’s your proven alternative that will do as well without losing the trust of the community? Oh right, there is none, I guess BL don’t M.


Well I’m out of beer, couldn’t make it through the whole thing. I’m surprised you agreed with him Marcus. He’s fairly conservative, just a wimpy one though.

CBOEtrader says

Theres a real case to be made for the gentle approach

Ordinarily yes, but at this point, even wimpy conservatives like this guy would be called racist by some on the left.

If someone calls you a racist to your face your response can’t be: “well you made some great points and sure sometimes I can be a bit racist but here’s why you’re wrong”

You can’t concede that. Once you do everything you say can be ignored. That’s why they do it. They’ve even redefined the language 1984 style so you can’t even hold a conservative position without being inherently racist and thus wrong.

So yeah, he’s a well read guy but he’s thinking he’s in a high school debate club while the left is playing for keeps

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Still has Marxist leanings that are carefully cloaked

Based on what ?

Tenpoundbass says

Trying to sound logical, only to swing back and inject more Fuck Whitey bullshit.

For example ?

CBOEtrader says

Did marcus redpill himself?

It happens.

ignoreme says

You can’t concede that. Once you do everything you say can be ignored. That’s why they do it. They’ve even redefined the language 1984 style so you can’t even hold a conservative position without being inherently racist and thus wrong.

The tests used to be "Do black lives matter?" (saying "All lives matter" proves your racism.) or "Do you like memes?" (If you do like memes you must be a racist as the left can't meme). The new test is your willingness to wear a mask in public even where not required.

Tenpoundbass says

Then he goes on to say, that white people are wealthy today because they bought a house in Southern California and was able to flip it.

He didn't say flip it. He said pass it down or it doubled or trpled in a few decades.

More like someone bought a house for 15K in the 50s and it is worth 1.7 million today But inflation would have it at 180K or so. . It's entirely true that a huge part of an elderly persons wealth in so cal is in home equity.

Keep in mind, he's only agreeing that red lining and inability to get mortgages effected wealth formation in black communities (something that nobody with an IQ over 60 disputes). I know that looking at both sides of an issue is anathema for you, but it's what smart people do.

Yes, of course many white folks didn't cash in on that., including me. Many did, especially those that were able to buy in the 70s or earlier.

He argues against reparations. And he seriously doubts there is a way, other than general investment in black communities to make up for this and other disadvantages minorities had before the 60s. He totally does not try to play on white guilt and argues fairly vigorously against it.

I agreed w/ the vast majority of what Coleman said. He made some great points.

I hope he gets on Rogan, because I think his skin color and intellectual style might help him reach a slice of audience that probably doesn't get reached often.

ignoreme says

Dave Ramsey is my guilty pleasure. He did a big study of millionaires. One of the findings was that most millionaires didn’t inherit their money, like 80%. Most millionaires just invest regularly in their 401k, don’t buy a bunch of crap they can’t afford on credit, and surprise they manage to save enough to retire.

I never read Ramsey, but "The Millionaire Next Door" said the same thing (over, and over, and over....) that most millionaires are right in front of you driving a 10yr old Camry, accumulating more and more wealth through their routine saving discipline, and effective spending habits.