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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   138,155 views  2,177 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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64   Onvacation   2020 Nov 15, 8:21am  

In brief:
Average Bitcoin transaction fees increased 2,213% since January 1.
Since the date of Bitcoin's block reward halving, fees continued to increase by 144%.
Over 94MB Pending transactions in the Bitcoin mempool means the network is now as clogged as it was in January 2018.
The average cost of sending transactions on the Bitcoin network has increased by 2,213% since the turn of the year.

That’s according to data from Bitinfocharts, which shows that average Bitcoin transaction fees climbed as high as $6.64 on May 20. That’s the highest average cost of a Bitoin transaction since July 2018—almost two years ago.

At the turn of the year, average fees were as low as $0.28—marking a 2,213% spike since January 1.

https://decrypt.co/29949/crypto-blockchain-bitcoin-transaction-fees
65   Onvacation   2020 Nov 15, 12:48pm  

HODL- Hold On for Dear Life!

"Crypto naysays who think Bitcoin is “the ultimate bubble” love to point at so-called HODLers and laugh.

HODLers are crypto investors who buy and hold their positions regardless of price. Whether the market is up, down or sideways, these folks stay invested, confident in the long-term value of crypto. The term was created in 2013 in a Bitcoin chat forum by an investor who was watching Bitcoin’s price fall sharply but decided not to sell. He wrote a post titled, “I am HODLing,” meaning to write “HOLDing.”

The misspelling caught on with the Bitcoin community. Eventually, working backward, they turned it into an evocative acronym: Hold On for Dear Life. Anyone who has watched Bitcoin’s recent volatility knows that the acronym can sometimes feel spot-on.

To the mainstream investment community, however, it’s the epitome of crypto insanity. You can almost hear them tut-tutting from behind their mahoganied desks:

Look at these fools, holding their imaginary money with no regard to price. They just sit there and watch while their portfolios fall by 50% or more. Insanity!

But HODLing is actually the only valid strategy for most crypto investors. After all, it’s just “buy and hold” in an updated wrapper."

"HODLers incur profits/losses based on when they entered the market cycle, however, the ones who entered the market less than a year ago having unrealized losses are piling up. The percentage of HODLers with unrealized positive gains has dropped and a higher percentage of them are currently running losses."
66   Onvacation   2020 Nov 15, 6:54pm  

It's like real gold only better.

67   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 15, 7:49pm  

Onvacation says
It's like real gold only better.


Cant argue with that.
68   Onvacation   2020 Nov 15, 9:20pm  

I don't know about fungible. I was in a Barcelona coin shop trying to buy some old 100 peseta token with Franco's image on it. I offered the proprietor US dollars but he would only take Euros. The coin would be worthless but it was made of silver.

Try giving him bitcoin.
69   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 15, 10:12pm  

I think "100 peseta token" are the last thing I would want to buy. Why would I?

So you collect silver/gold coins?
70   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 16, 7:19am  

Onvacation says
I was in a Barcelona coin shop trying to buy some old 100 peseta token with Franco's image on it. The coin would be worthless but it was made of silver.



So you collect silver coins?

Onvacation, is that a hard question to answer? ;)
71   Onvacation   2020 Nov 16, 8:18am  

G36 says

So you collect silver coins?

and copper, nickel, zinc, at one point I had the goal of collecting every US coin made in the 20th century, but some of those Barber coins are way too expensive.

Yes I collect coins. But I don't invest in them.
72   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 16, 8:26am  

Onvacation says
G36 says

So you collect silver coins?

and copper, nickel, zinc, at one opoint I had the goal of collecting every US coin made in the 20th century, but some of those Barber coins are way too expensive.

Yes I collect coins. But I don't invest in them.


Nice! What about gold coins? I imagine you also collect some gold coins?
73   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 17, 6:51am  

Hi OV, no gold coins in your portfolio?
74   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 7:55am  

No gold in my portfolio. I don't consider my coin collection an investment, though it has appreciated over the years. It's just a hobby.
75   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 17, 8:26am  

Onvacation says
No gold in my portfolio. I don't consider my coin collection an investment, though it has appreciated over the years. It's just a hobby.


Nice, yeah, understand. What's the age on your oldest coins?

Care to share how much is in the collection as a percentage of your net worth?
For instance, roughly 5% of my net worth is in crypto, the rest is stocks and RE.
76   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 10:10am  

G36 says
Care to share how much is in the collection as a percentage of your net worth?

No.
77   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 10:14am  

I'm a saver and dollar cost average kind of guy.

I do occasionally gamble. I won a silver token (1 oz of 99.9) at the Vegas airport during a stopover.
78   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 11:11am  

If you had invested $20,000 in bitcoin 3 years ago you would only be down $2,000.
79   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 11:12am  

I meant gambled. If you had speculated $20,000 in bitcoin 3 years ago you would only be down $2,000.
80   Eric Holder   2020 Nov 17, 11:19am  

Onvacation says
I meant gambled. If you had speculated $20,000 in bitcoin 3 years ago you would only be down $2,000.


Which is the situation most of the current enthusiastic pumpers are in.
81   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 17, 11:42am  

Onvacation says
I'm a saver and dollar cost average kind of guy.

.


Nice! How do you save? Do you keep cash in the savings account? And what do you dollar cast avg into? You said you invest in food/entertainment and mutual funds. Is that what you dollar cost avg into or do you invest in anything else?
82   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 3:05pm  

I usually buy when things are on sale. Often I just go to Costco and buy in bulk.

I've always got a three month supply of toilet paper.
83   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 3:10pm  

I spend very little time investing. I just accumulate stuff and experiences. I automatically dollar cost average into funds. It's amazing how paper wealth accumulates but that is a small part of your actual wealth. What good is it that you gain the world if you lose your soul?

I do invest quite a bit of time into exercise. I also believe in preventative maintenance and oral hygiene.
84   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 3:32pm  

And bitcoin is a scam.
85   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 17, 4:51pm  

great. And when you say funds, you mean 401k or mutual funds besides your 401k?
86   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 17, 9:06pm  

Eric Holder says
Onvacation says
I meant gambled. If you had speculated $20,000 in bitcoin 3 years ago you would only be down $2,000.


Which is the situation most of the current enthusiastic pumpers are in.


people wish they would have bought at 20k soon. It will just be a blip on the log scale...
The next bull cycle has started.

87   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 9:31pm  

G36 says
It will just be a blip on the log scale...
The next bull cycle has started.

Moonshot?
88   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 17, 9:37pm  

Onvacation says
G36 says
It will just be a blip on the log scale...
The next bull cycle has started.

Moonshot?


The next months/year should be a fun, profitable, enjoyable ride
89   Onvacation   2020 Nov 17, 9:59pm  

BREAKING NEWS!

Bankers are pouring huge amounts of cash into bitcoin in an attempt to get it out of the country before the Kraken is released!
90   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 18, 6:50am  

Onvacation says
BREAKING NEWS!

Bankers are pouring huge amounts of cash into bitcoin in an attempt to get it out of the country before the Kraken is released!


close!

Bankers {+ hedge funds and Nasdaq listed companies} are pouring huge amounts of cash into bitcoin since its the best performing asset available due to its traits (scarcity, decentralization and security). Retail will follow later.

Exciting times!!
91   Onvacation   2020 Nov 18, 6:59am  

G36 says
Retail will follow later.

"Here's your latte, that will be 12 satoshis plus a 10 satoshi transaction fee, 20 if you want it on the next block 10 minutes from now otherwise you will have to wait a couple of hours for a miner to accept your lower fee and verify your transaction. "
92   Robert Sproul   2020 Nov 18, 7:20am  

Onvacation says
G36 says
Retail will follow later.

"Here's your latte, that will be 12 satoshis plus a 10 satoshi transaction fee, 20 if you want it on the next block 10 minutes from now otherwise you will have to wait a couple of hours for a miner to accept your lower fee and verify your transaction. "

I don't know enough about any of this to weigh-in but PayPal is now offering to facilitate Bitcoin transactions. This would seem to be a huge step toward making retail inroads.
93   Onvacation   2020 Nov 18, 7:58am  

Robert Sproul says
PayPal is now offering to facilitate Bitcoin transactions.

Does that mean they will access your "wallet" (flash drive) like they do your credit card account? What will determine bitcoin's value during the transaction? The current price? The end of day price? As we know these two values can be hundreds of dollars apart.

Does anyone buy coffee with bitcoin? Or is it just the "currency of the future"?
94   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 18, 8:02am  

Robert Sproul says
Onvacation says
G36 says
Retail will follow later.

"Here's your latte, that will be 12 satoshis plus a 10 satoshi transaction fee, 20 if you want it on the next block 10 minutes from now otherwise you will have to wait a couple of hours for a miner to accept your lower fee and verify your transaction. "

I don't know enough about any of this to weigh-in but PayPal is now offering to facilitate Bitcoin transactions. This would seem to be a huge step toward making retail inroads.


Robert, yes, and Square also invested 50M in Bitcoin.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/square-buys-50-million-in-bitcoin-says-cryptocurrency-aligns-with-companys-purpose.html

Mass adoption has started. Bitcoin is seen as a store of value/digital gold. Institutional money is pouring in. Retail investors will follow once Bitcoin is all over the news due to all time highs.
95   Onvacation   2020 Nov 19, 11:37am  

G36 says
Bitcoin is seen as a store of value/digital gold.

96   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 19, 11:44am  

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G36 says


Nice pic!! see Bitcoin has intrinsic value! All you need is a hardware wallet painted in gold color and it becomes "shiny" (shiny=intrinsic value). On the wallet you can store millions of dollars in BTC. I gotta save this pic. thanks!
97   Onvacation   2020 Nov 19, 12:38pm  

G36 says
. I gotta save this pic

You'll just have bits on your hard drive.

Or you could buy a real gold colored hard drive.
98   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Nov 19, 12:41pm  

G36 says
Bitcoin is seen as a store of value/digital gold


Hopefully their servers aren't managed by Dominion.
99   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 19, 12:44pm  

Onvacation says
G36 says
. I gotta save this pic

You'll just have bits on your hard drive.

Or you could buy a real gold colored hard drive.


exactly! Extremely valuable bits!
Bitcoin is currently trading above 17k! It's programmable money: Its scarce (only a certain amount of Bitcoin can be mined) and its decentralized!

"or you could buy a real gold colored hard drive"
Thats funny. I dont want "real" gold. I want digital gold. I dont care about shininess but I care about increasing my net worth.
100   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 19, 12:46pm  

NoCoupForYou says
G36 says
Bitcoin is seen as a store of value/digital gold


Hopefully their servers aren't managed by Dominion.


luckily, one of the key traits of Bitcoin is that its decentralized. You cant call someone and order them to shut down the network. In fact you are not able to shut down the network at all. You can - as a government - shut down exchanges and issue a tax frame for Bitcoin but you cant shut down the network.

Try calling the bitcoin CEO or their investors relations department.....doesnt exist :)
101   Onvacation   2020 Nov 20, 6:40am  

G36 says
Try calling the bitcoin CEO or their investors relations department.....doesnt exist :)

How do you recover your lost password?
102   Bitcoin   2020 Nov 20, 9:31am  

Onvacation says
G36 says
Try calling the bitcoin CEO or their investors relations department.....doesnt exist :)

How do you recover your lost password?


with the recovery key of course. I am seriously concerned about your alleged Bitcoin research. You are missing the basics.
You thought the last Bitcoin will be mined in 2040. Its actually 2140.
On your comparison to Gold and FIAT you missed key traits like scarcity and decentralization.
And now you dont know how to recover a lost password? May I ask what kind of software engineer you are?
103   Onvacation   2020 Nov 20, 12:46pm  

G36 says
Onvacation says
G36 says
Try calling the bitcoin CEO or their investors relations department.....doesnt exist :)

How do you recover your lost password?


with the recovery key of course

How do you recover your recovery key when you lose it?

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