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sikhguy says

there is no denial that there are "white fringe elements" in republican party who are racist.It is common sense to be afraid of this fringe as a minority.

every party has fringe element that flocks to it. However, if parties are reasonable they put fringe stuff on the leash. Republicans do have their extreme fringes on the leash, they aren't burning America screaming crazy things. But Democrats completely are letting the fringe take over their party, it's where all the insanity is from these days. In the past, both parties always controlled the fringe that they could, and things were stable. But at some point left stopped, in fact they started encouraging it, and a lot has gotten really bad.

That's just what I've seen.

@FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut

In the interest of not going in circles. Let us end with that Republican party continue to do good job keeping racist elements in check. As a Sikh our community have felt genocide in India and hate crimes in US after September 11 due to our appearance.
Ideally there should be two parties. conservatives and liberals with beautiful push and pull to continue creating best outcomes for people economically and culturally while maintaining full freedom.

sikhguy says

Eric Holder says

sikhguy says

there is no denial that there are "white fringe elements" in republican party who are racist

There is no denial there are fringe elements of any skin color in any group of people who a racist, duh.

I don't deny it. If the fringe becomes mainstream, First to bear the brunt is Sikhs because of our appearance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting

You may not feel that way I do.

Soooooooo, you like diversity or you do not like diversity? You think this will ever change? C'mon man.

@GlocknLoad
white nationalist use race as weapon and so do leftists.
which side are you on?

I am not on either side and Govt has no business beyond safeguarding the well being of public irrespective of diverse looks.
Govt does need to protect from discrimination but not affirmative action.

sikhguy says

But GOP does use dog whistle

This need examples of somebody who's somebody in the GOP using clearly-identifiable "dog whistle".

sikhguy says

I can agree with that. But GOP does use dog whistle and if they stop it, All successful people in minorities will rush to them.

Can you provide examples of these "dog whistles" by Republicans?

I see dog whistles all the time used by Liberal Progressives claiming people of color are too ignorant and incapable of showing ID to vote, too stupid to get jobs or into schools without affirmative action........and generally incapable of taking care of their lives without massive government assistance.

I don't want to go that route. If you feel GOP is perfect and don't support any racism.
Good for me, That's what I would like to see.I am not in making business out of of somebody's racist comments.

If I see any in future will add to this thread.
I want to safety of minorities under law.

sikhguy says

If you feel GOP is perfect and don't support any racism.

If someone claims something the burden of proof is on them.

As I said. I accept this today but will point out tomorrow when it happens. Not interested in going in history.
I hope I see no example in future.

sikhguy says

GOP does use dog whistle

It's kind of funny how the progressives always hear these dog whistles but good old white boys like me don't.

Not just progressives, But everyone does.
Progressives have agenda to hype it, Minorities have a interest to keep majoritarianism under check.

sikhguy says

Minorities have a interest to keep majoritarianism under check.

AKA subvert democracy.

(Whenever I say that, people get upset. Minorities are protected by legal equality under the law. They have NO right to subvert a majority vote, or they're behaving oligarchical)

That's why we have constitution and states with low population still can representation.
Majoritarianism is bullying by majority.
Do you support popular vote for president? Is not having it is also subversion?

sikhguy says

@GlocknLoad
white nationalist use race as weapon and so do leftists.
which side are you on?

I am not on either side and Govt has no business beyond safeguarding the well being of public irrespective of diverse looks.
Govt does need to protect from discrimination but not affirmative action.

My point is, diversity is not a strength. Racism will always be there and is why it is used against the people. You cannot deny the democrats use racism.

As I told Sikh community endured genocide in India and racism/harassment in US after September 11.
Is it too much to ask for safety and protection under law?

I loved the part during Q&A when someone asked Rudy if Biden was part of the conspiracy, or was aware of it.

Rudy said (paraphrasing) “I don’t know what Joe Biden is aware of, at any time.”

He didn’t say directly that Biden had dementia, but it was implied.

sikhguy says

That's why we have constitution and states with low population still can representation.
Majoritarianism is bullying by majority.
Do you support popular vote for president? Is not having it is also subversion?

So trying to answer this in a compromise way. No matter where you go, as a foreigner with foreign looks you will be an outsider to many, but not all. Some may even be intrigued (e.g. womynx). That's innate and normal. Go and live in Japan as a Sikh or a White guy and you will never fit in with the masses, just with a smaller group of select people. I agree that every citizen should be treated the same under law with the same protections, but that does not include special privileges or protections. Also the majority cannot make laws that violate those principles in the constitution, but everything else they can regulate.

mell says

sikhguy says

That's why we have constitution and states with low population still can representation.
Majoritarianism is bullying by majority.
Do you support popular vote for president? Is not having it is also subversion?

So trying to answer this in a compromise way. No matter where you go, as a foreigner with foreign looks you will be an outsider to many, but not all. Some may even be intrigued (e.g. womynx). That's innate and normal
Go and live in Japan as a Sikh or a White guy and you will never fit in with the masses, just with a smaller group of select people. I agree that every citizen should be treated the same under law with the same protections, but that does not include special privileges or protections. Also the majority cannot make laws that violate those principles in the constitution, but everything else they can regulate.

I asked for nothing beyond safety and equality under law.

Giuliani dropped the MI lawsuits when they went into non-certified status. That points to a House vote strategy.

I fucking hate diversity. It's used to divide us, bring in an immigrant block that consistently votes dems and gets conflated with illegal immigration.

Other than that I love my asian, sihk, black, and Indian friends. Oh yeah, and diversity of food is awesome.

https://stream.org/i-know-sidney-powell-she-is-telling-the-truth/

Good article about Sidney's character and integrity.

sikhguy says

But GOP does use dog whistle and if they stop it, All successful people in minorities will rush to them.

Ahh, man, they got you!

There is no such thing as a dog whistle. Or at least the right wing can't hear it and only the left wing can. It's utter BS the left spouts when they run out of arguments. There is no such thing.

Dholliday126 says

I fucking hate diversity. It's used to divide us, bring in an immigrant block that consistently votes dems and gets conflated with illegal immigration.

Other than that I love my asian, sihk, black, and Indian friends. Oh yeah, and diversity of food is awesome.

Melting Pot > Diversity

Melting Pot was slower and allowed immigrants to assimilate while still bringing the best parts of their culture here to make it a cooler place to live. Diversity is just a dog whistle for racism against whites.

See what I did there. ;^)

Dholliday126 says

I fucking hate diversity. It's used to divide us, bring in an immigrant block that consistently votes dems and gets conflated with illegal immigration.

Other than that I love my asian, sihk, black, and Indian friends. Oh yeah, and diversity of food is awesome.

There was no Dem/Rep party before Trump. they were just serving elites by dividing people.
I think trump will fix that. Why do we need a party?.. To force elites will on locals?..
Have you see what Dems are saying about Georgia...
They say bring the people and win.. Total disregard for local needs.

We have national election for president, All congress members should be barred from joining any patry.. We don't need any stinkin party.

just_passing_through says

Dholliday126 says

I fucking hate diversity. It's used to divide us, bring in an immigrant block that consistently votes dems and gets conflated with illegal immigration.

Other than that I love my asian, sihk, black, and Indian friends. Oh yeah, and diversity of food is awesome.

Melting Pot > Diversity

Melting Pot was slower and allowed immigrants to assimilate while still bringing the best parts of their culture here. Diversity is just a dog whistle for racism against whites.

See what I did there. ;^)

Not agree. Diversity exists in nature.
Politicians shouldn't be allowed to exploit it though.
Making everybody same like china is intolerance in society. Americans are better than this shit.

Agreed.

The virtue is in ignoring race, not making it 24/7 non-stop bullshit.

Did anyone but me catch the part where Sidney Powel confirmed that the servers had been seized in Germany but she didn’t know if it was done by good guys or bad?

We are in open insurrection at this point.

Yeah I caught that, and tell me this....

Why isn't talking about a potential Hunter Biden laptop connection? Do a search for Dominion on that laptop and I bet you get some interesting results. Maybe Trump knew that the fix was in and created a cauldron....

sikhguy says

Making everybody same like china is intolerance in society.

That isn't even close to what I said! In fact, it's the opposite. Mixing people too quickly causes problems. Just look at Europe. It takes time for people to assimilate to the existing culture. Generally, new faces makes it better/more interesting.

sikhguy says

Majoritarianism is bullying by majority.

Majoritarianism is Democracy.

If you're opposed to Majoritarianism, you can only be an oligarchist

My own view of diversity:

https://patrick.net/post/1336214/2020-10-31-readme#Diversity

Summary: diversity divides people. The cure for the harm of diversity is to have a single strong national culture.

NoCoupForYou says

sikhguy says

Majoritarianism is bullying by majority.

Majoritarianism is Democracy.

If you're opposed to Majoritarianism, you can only be an oligarchist

There is constitution, press and courts to check mob rule by majority.
Majority can't vote themselves to "better than others" as per constitution.

if minority is "oligarchist" , Then it is oligarchy.
But it almost never happens except may be in colonial past.

Patrick says

My own view of diversity:

https://patrick.net/post/1336214/2020-10-31-readme#Diversity

Summary: diversity divides people. The cure for the harm of diversity is to have a single strong national culture.

single national culture is uniform laws and respect for them.
Beyond that Govt have no business.Forcing people to become similar is what Chinese communists or Indian Hindu Fascists do.
In general every country will develop some common traits naturally.

It's not just laws.

People have to believe they are in this together with their fellow citizens.

It's not about force at all. It's about a feeling.

Why not just feel this about every fellow human.
A person who loves his country can't hate our earth.
I am totally against our tax dollars going outside so that cruel globalists can wage wars are destroy lives of other humans even if we can get some benefits.We would rather live with less honestly earned.

Let the common traits naturally develop while we promote opportunity,equality and justice.

sikhguy says

There is constitution, press and courts to check mob rule by majority.

Yes - individual rights.

But minorities can't veto everything they don't like.

Also, minorities can't claim one rule for them and one for others - if there is a curriculum for schools, it applies to them too (thinking about Muslims in Birmingham)

Then, people have the right to live where they want, own property, etc. freely in a country - without having to get "approval" from local politicians, right?

what do you think about these people?
https://twitter.com/LLinWood
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1

and this site:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

Kind of theories they are bringing out should cause big thud somewhere in democrat world.
I see all quiet.. It is quite mesmerizing spectacle and I can't wait to see end of it.
I am not able to grasp how will this end.

Any guesses?It seem somewhere between big show,no goods to mushroom cloud.

NoCoupForYou says

sikhguy says

There is constitution, press and courts to check mob rule by majority.

Yes - individual rights.

But minorities can't veto everything they don't like.

If the govt decision need to take diversity in account beyond some ceremonial rules, Govt is already too deep in your life.
What have minority vetoed? Give me some examples.

Muslims protested and got withdrawn LGBTQ curriculum in Birmingham schools. They routinely refuse to teach official, mandated curriculum esp. about other religions, freedom and rights, etc. in their neighborhood and esp. religious schools (even when this is mandatory)

Some minority was angry that Indians could live freely, without "local approval" by politicians, in a section of India, just very recently. Jimmu and Kashmir.