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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   135,792 views  2,177 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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205   Onvacation   2020 Dec 1, 6:08pm  

G36 says
Bitcoin doesnt grow on a farm

Of course not!
It's "mined" on a farm.
206   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 1, 6:10pm  

Kevin O'Leary buys BTC as well now. I guess everyone with money wants some digital gold!

https://cointelegraph.com/news/pomp-talks-shark-tank-s-kevin-o-leary-into-buying-a-little-more-bitcoin
207   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 1, 6:13pm  

WookieMan says
G36 says
Wookie says
"I'm totally embarrassed"

I know. And I have a feeling there will be many more laughable comments by you, Mr. "artificial scarcity" and "sold everything at 18k".

New name, same old stupidity. Enjoy your BTC. You don't know what you're doing. Enjoy your unrealized "euphoria" as you say. lol. Oh wait, we all know there's nothing for you to realize as you don't have anything in BTC. Maybe $100. Congrats on the big win champ!

Sad part is there are people here that have actually given good investment advice in the past. They make you look bad. Oh well.


That's all you got, big shot? What a big attack that I need to defend. I am starting to feel sorry for you, lol
208   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 1, 6:18pm  

Onvacation says
G36 says
Bitcoin doesnt grow on a farm

Of course not!


See, even onvacation learns....and thats probably why he bought Bitcoin now. Education wins. You would hope wookie would learn slowly but his learning curve is more like a flat line.
209   WookieMan   2020 Dec 1, 8:26pm  

G36 says
Onvacation says
G36 says
Bitcoin doesnt grow on a farm

Of course not!


See, even onvacation learns....and thats probably why he bought Bitcoin now. Education wins. You would hope wookie would learn slowly but his learning curve is more like a flat line.

Not even my comment and I've gotcha thinking about me. Insecure much? lol.
210   Onvacation   2020 Dec 1, 9:48pm  

G36 says
See, even onvacation learns....and thats probably why he bought Bitcoin now. Education wins. You would hope wookie would learn slowly but his learning curve is more like a flat line.

How many satoshis do you own?
211   Onvacation   2020 Dec 1, 9:54pm  

My satoshis are worth approximately 17/100ths of a cent in US fiat money. It's hard to keep track.
212   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 7:37am  

I am glad you finally bought a fraction of a Bitcoin, onvacation! Congrats!
214   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 8:03am  

WookieMan says
G36 says
Onvacation says
G36 says
Bitcoin doesnt grow on a farm

Of course not!


See, even onvacation learns....and thats probably why he bought Bitcoin now. Education wins. You would hope wookie would learn slowly but his learning curve is more like a flat line.

Not even my comment and I've gotcha thinking about me. Insecure much? lol.


Of Course!

Your comments have been quite entertaining. Keep the BS coming.

"I would have sold everything at 18k" Oh really, you said this right after the correction occurred. A 7 year old can call a local top after the event happened. But why would you have sold "EVERYTHING" if you only care about 6 figure gains?

"I'm good with 9%" Oh really, so how much have you invested to make the 9% a six figure gain. Since you said, you only care about 6 figure gains, big shot? We'll never see a screenshot! Especially funny, since you dont own even a fraction of one BTC.

"Bitcoin is not backed by anything" no shit, the entire point of being decentralized.

"articifical scarcity" noooo shit. How could a digital asset be naturally scarce?

I dont know if you can top this, but we'll see.
215   Onvacation   2020 Dec 2, 8:04am  

G36 says
I am glad you finally bought a fraction of a Bitcoin, onvacation! Congrats!

I can't wait until my bitcoin holdings reach a penny in fiat.
216   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 8:10am  

Onvacation says
G36 says
I am glad you finally bought a fraction of a Bitcoin, onvacation! Congrats!

I can't wait until my bitcoin holdings reach a penny in fiat.


Buying Bitcoin is a great first start onvacation. Now you are invested and continue to learn.
217   Onvacation   2020 Dec 2, 9:31am  

G36 says
invested

Gambled. I'm a nickel slot kind of guy.

When's the moonshot?
218   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 10:21am  

G36 says
Oh really, so how much have you invested to make the 9% a six figure gain. Since you said, you only care about 6 figure gains, big shot?

Hundreds of thousands. Multiple avenues. I like real estate. We have your standard 401k between the wife and I, both having made 6 figure gains the last 3 years. That wouldn't have happened with BTC over the last 3 year outside of day trading. Sorry. It's not the best asset class by a long shot. It's comical to call it an asset or investment as you guys do.

I'm not a big shot by any means. I save. I don't gamble. I operate a business. I have plenty of skills and means to make large sums of money and not go for a Hail Mary with crypto. I sleep well at night unlike everyone I know that holds crypto. It's delusional. I've made more off passive investments the last three years than any of the crypto cult. Enjoy the pump now. Comes down faster than it went up. I've seen this story before and you guys that gloat about paper gains, but then shit your pants the second the big boys start selling. You ain't a big boy and you'll be the one losing the most. Not sure how many ways I can warn you. Happened last time and that tool disappeared when he lost his ass in BTC on this forum.
219   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 11:18am  

So you told us you would have sold everything at 18k but tell us you only care about six figure gains. How does that make any sense?
You tell us about these alleged six figure gains without any screenshots but tell us you are fine with 9% gains. Sure, big shot. Sure.

Btw., Thanks for showing us your ignorance once again:

"Sorry. It's not the best asset class by a long shot."

Bitcoin Is Outperforming Every Mainstream Asset Class in 2020
https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-is-outperforming-every-mainstream-asset-class-in-2020

At this point I believe you don't know what you are writing.
220   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 11:26am  

G36 says
Btw., Thanks for showing us your ignorance once again:

"Sorry. It's not the best asset class by a long shot."


WookieMan says
I've made more off passive investments the last three years than any of the crypto cult.

Reading buddy. Reading....

Crypto did nothing for three years. Same will happen again. I made more money in stocks and real estate than anyone invested in BTC the last 3 years. I don't dox myself and I'm too lazy to make up screen shots like you did. Enjoy the ride. Ultimately you'll freak out and be catching falling knives when your tiny vacation paper gains turns into a loss. You'd move on from commenting back at me if you weren't scared. You are. You should be. I'm solid and doing well. No need to chase get rich quick schemes. Just rich for my age.
221   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 11:41am  

ROFL, sure, big shot, everyone can make up stuff online. Now you are telling us you have outperformed Bitcoin? Just recently you told us you are fine with 9%.

your story gets wilder and wilder. You just cant keep a story straight or stick with anything you said.

For your education/perspective:
222   Onvacation   2020 Dec 2, 11:55am  

G36 says
everyone can make up stuff online.

Yup.

They even made up some online "currencies" to fool some rubes into thinking it was as good as BETTER than gold.
223   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 12:00pm  

Yes, its much better than gold. Bitcoin is gold 2.0. / Digital Gold. You know how divisible it is, how scarce, how decentralized. Probably the reason why you started investing in it. And, its smart money! programmable! Try connecting your silver coin or 100 dollar bill to a laptop. Lol.

224   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 12:34pm  

G36 says
Try connecting your silver coin or 100 dollar bill to a laptop

Good luck. All these comments have clearly sailed over your head with what you just said here. Good luck on your trading.
225   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 12:47pm  

all these comments have been very entertaining. You are leading. G36 says
ROFL, sure, big shot, everyone can make up stuff online. Now you are telling us you have outperformed Bitcoin? Just recently you told us you are fine with 9%.

your story gets wilder and wilder. You just cant keep a story straight or stick with anything you said.

For your education/perspective:


Wookie, no comment, big shot?
226   Bd6r   2020 Dec 2, 12:52pm  

I am kinda torn on bitcoins, but the graph here seems to be created by bitcoin fans for bitcoin fans. How come gold is centralized? And how come its supply is moderate? Also, at this point saying that bitcoins are "easily transactable" is wrong - I can't pay with them at my grocery store.

G36 says
Yes, its much better than gold. Bitcoin is gold 2.0. / Digital Gold. You know how divisible it is, how scarce, how decentralized. Probably the reason why you started investing in it. And, its smart money! programmable! Try connecting your silver coin or 100 dollar bill to a laptop. Lol.

227   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 4:50pm  

Dbr6 says
I am kinda torn on bitcoins, but the graph here seems to be created by bitcoin fans for bitcoin fans. How come gold is centralized? And how come its supply is moderate? Also, at this point saying that bitcoins are "easily transactable" is wrong - I can't pay with them at my grocery store.

G36 says
Yes, its much better than gold. Bitcoin is gold 2.0. / Digital Gold. You know how divisible it is, how scarce, how decentralized. Probably the reason why you started investing in it. And, its smart money! programmable! Try connecting your silver coin or 100 dollar bill to a laptop. Lol.



gold is moderate in "predictable supply". You think you found it all until you discover more. Cant happen with Bitcoin.
Thats not the meaning of easily transactable. You can send crypto/Bitcoin within seconds on an app. You cant just send someone gold within seconds. What you pay for with Bitcoin is a totally different criteria. Bitcoin is seen as a store of value, not as a day-to-day currency.
Think about it this way, why should I have paid with a few bitcoins for a cup of coffee a few years ago? Now, I can buy a car with it.
I would never want to spend my precious Bitcoins because a year later they are worth multiple times more. Its an excellent inflation hedge.
228   richwicks   2020 Dec 2, 5:44pm  

G36 says
Incredible. Leaked Citibank report reveals Citibank analysts estimate Bitcoin will rocket to 300k by end of 2021! Imagine what that will do to the haters who hope it will go to zero. Lol


Why do people assume that they found something that was "leaked" instead of concluding that they may be reading propaganda in which, supposedly, data was "leaked"? The only time you MIGHT be reading data that was leaked is when it shows the company in a bad light or shows criminal intent.

You know how simple it is to destroy a cryptocurrency? There's just a few major exchanges, all you need to do is turn those servers off, and the blockchain ends. Destroy those servers and that the data is unrecoverable.

My bet is that much of the information for these exchanges are actually on virtual machines. Consider the possibility that are stored on AWS - Amazon WebServer.

You don't know who created these, you don't understand the math, you've never moved any "currency" from one wallet to another. This is clearly a Ponzi scheme, however, people got rich off from Ponzi schemes too.
229   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 5:54pm  

sleek Litecoin credit card.
buy anything with crypto. Mass adoption is happening rapidly.

https://litecoin.getblockcard.com/

https://cointelegraph.com/news/first-litecoin-native-visa-debit-card-is-being-launched
230   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 5:58pm  

richwicks says


There's just a few major exchanges, all you need to do is turn those servers off, and the blockchain ends. Destroy those servers and that the data is unrecoverable.

My bet is that much of the information for these exchanges are actually on virtual machines. Consider the possibility that are stored on AWS - Amazon WebServer.

You don't know who created these, you don't understand the math, you've never moved any "currency" from one wallet to another.


Yes, I have moved Bitcoin from wallet to wallet. Easy.
Shut exchanges down? Sure, go for it. Wake us up when it happens.
The US government has a clear interest in another crypto boom. Higher tax revenues. More jobs. Either we do it in the US or let China run the show. Your comments were not well thought-out.
231   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 7:28pm  

G36 says
Higher tax revenues.

More contradiction with each post. How is it "highly decentralized" if it can be taxed? Lol. Our government can take your home if you don't pay taxes on gains. Crypto or otherwise That's not decentralized by any means. Unless you're trading flash drives and pieces of paper and passwords with BTC on it, the government knows what you're doing using exchanges. Anything that touches a computer or server is trackable and traceable. Unless it's deleted, which in BTC hardware wallet means you lost all your money.

G36 says
Shut exchanges down? Sure, go for it. Wake us up when it happens.

It will. And it will happen when you least expect it. You likely won't be awake actually. Stop losses won't prevent massive losses because they'll get blown through. You'll be sleeping and at 3pm in China the rug will get pulled out from under you.

Your confidence is cracking. With each comment that is valid against Crypto, you get even more defensive. Dbr6 pointed out flaws and you jumped on him right away. "Your comments were not well thought-out." Who does that? You can post charts from other websites until you're fingers go numb, but you've yet to explain how and why BTC will go to $300k. Links to coin desk and the like are pure propaganda as other users have mentioned. Why do YOU think it will go to $300k? No links. No copy paste. YOU explain it.
232   richwicks   2020 Dec 2, 7:34pm  

G36 says
Yes, I have moved Bitcoin from wallet to wallet. Easy.


Sure it's easy. What did it cost you to do it? What was the transaction fee, and how long did it take?

In the early days it was free, today, it's not. It's always been time consuming.

It's not workable as a currency simply because of the transaction time. You can reduce transaction time by offering to increase the fee for the transaction. If many people try to make transactions, the fees are untenable. Blockchains are nothing more than distributed databases, and in order to access them in a timely manner, there is a cost and the faster you want to do a transaction, the more expensive it is to do.

It's not a currency at all. It's just a scam, but you can make lots of money off from a scam I admit. It will never replace the current system because of the length of time to do transactions. It's a curse to realize a problem well before anybody else does. I know the system cannot work, but most people do not realize it won't work, so there is opportunity there, but I consider it immoral to take advantage of ignorance so I do not engage. Morality + knowledge = poverty. That's the world I live in. Ethics is severely punished.
233   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 7:42pm  

richwicks says
It's not a currency at all. It's just a scam, but you can make lots of money off from a scam I admit.

Which is what everyone has been telling this guy, yet he gets so defensive and starts bashing people on their first interaction. It's a sign of being weak and scared. Worried.

There's also the fact it/he keeps mentioning that "we" don't have BTC. How do they know? Every link is to a site that has the word coin, crypto, etc. included in the URL. Biased much? Convinced he's a spammer at this point. This happened last time and it came crashing down shortly after. I predicted the same happens this round with maybe a slightly higher high. But maybe a bigger low as there's no confidence in BTC. A 2nd round of getting burned will put it in the shitter for a while.
235   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 7:48pm  

WookieMan says
Why do YOU think it will go to $300k? No links. No copy paste. YOU explain it.
236   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 7:48pm  

I'll wait. LOL.
237   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 7:51pm  

WookieMan says
WookieMan says
Why do YOU think it will go to $300k? No links. No copy paste. YOU explain it.


https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/citibank-analyst-says-bitcoin-could-pass-%24300k-by-december-2021-2020-11-16

why should I make a price prediction? I threw some money in it and hold for the long run (12month or so). Trading would be stupid. Why should i pay short term capital gain TAXES on every trade. It just keeps pushing higher without me doing anything. aka "institutional fomo".

Sorry you missed the boat, big shot. Mr. "would have sold everything at 18k"
238   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 7:56pm  

G36 says
why should I make a price prediction?

You did... lol. $300k. Why? No links. Come up with your own thoughts for once.
239   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 8:03pm  

WookieMan says
G36 says
why should I make a price prediction?

You did... lol. $300k. Why? No links. Come up with your own thoughts for once.


Citibank estimates it will go to 300k by 2021.

it could go to 100, 200, 300k. By 2026 it could be a million. Come up with your own thoughts??? Are you special or something?
More bidders than sellers on a scarce asset? Hope I simplified that enough for you. All the news about institutions investing in Bitcoin has gone right by you, right? I bet you havent read one article about Bitcoin ever in your life.

I am pretty sure that you have never heard about Paypal either, right? So Paypal, square etc investing in Bitcoin obviously doesnt mean anything to you.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/24/square-and-paypal-emerge-as-whales-in-the-crypto-market-.html
240   WookieMan   2020 Dec 2, 8:05pm  

You don't read. That's fine. Enjoy crypto. lol.
241   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 2, 8:09pm  

rofl. now I don't read? You havent read a single article!

Whenever you are at a loss of words, you say "enjoy" or "have fun".
Why would you think it hasnt been fun?

My holdings go up in value, outperforming any other asset and haters like you post laughable comments:

"Artificial scarcity" .....no shit
"not backed by anything" ....no shit
"would have sold everything at 18k".....you dont even own half a BTC
"I am fine with 9%".....cute
"I only care about 6 figure gains".....rofl....afford 1BTC, then talk
242   richwicks   2020 Dec 2, 10:28pm  

WookieMan says
richwicks says
It's not a currency at all. It's just a scam, but you can make lots of money off from a scam I admit.

Which is what everyone has been telling this guy, yet he gets so defensive and starts bashing people on their first interaction. It's a sign of being weak and scared. Worried.

There's also the fact it/he keeps mentioning that "we" don't have BTC. How do they know? Every link is to a site that has the word coin, crypto, etc. included in the URL. Biased much?


It is possible, but perhaps not true, that he's paid to promote this. He may be paid to market cryptocurrencies. If this is the case, don't hate him, simply understand what is. He also may genuinely believe this is a good investment. We cannot know.

I know bitcoin is not another currency, but it's value may go to unimaginable values. It might be good to get in now so long as you sell before it crashes. I do not think this is an appropriate way to make money, even if I knew the scam and this is a scam. It's not usable as a currency.

It's a game of investing in Tulips. If you get in and out at the right time, you're rich, but if you wait too long, you're destroyed. I just see a tulip though. Imagine, once a tulip could buy a house - incredible wealth inequality back then. Even today, nothing compares.
243   Onvacation   2020 Dec 3, 7:17am  

richwicks says
. I do not think this is an appropriate way to make money, even if I knew the scam and this is a scam. It's not usable as a currency.

A very power hungry scam that has no practical use. It is dependent on the greater fool to get money out of the system as the money going in is consumed on hardware, electricity, wages, hookers and blow.

There is no there there.
244   Bitcoin   2020 Dec 3, 7:30am  

Richwicks,

"If you get in and out at the right time, you're rich, but if you wait too long, you're destroyed"

You could have gotten into Bitcoin at any time for the last 11 years and would be in profit or break even since we basically hit new all time highs on some exchanges the other day.

Two questions for you (which you wont answer):
1) Do you know what decentralized means? I'll dumb it down. There is no marketing department for Bitcoin, there is no CEO, no CFO. So who would be paying me to promote to buy Bitcoin? Honest question, I would love to reach out to that person/entity/department.

2) Are tulips smart, decentralized, scarce? When you try plugging in your tulip to a laptop, could you please video it and post here?

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