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I had a cold for about a week a few weeks ago. I was damn glad to get it. Some folks are going to isolate their immune system now for the next 2 to 3 years, then the next cold or flu they get is going to kill them. .Then they'll say it's Covid-20 and use it for an excuse to steal the 2024 elections.

.porkchopexpress says

Most were fine but a couple got hit really hard. It’s real.

Is it worth shutting down the world for the great reset real?

I got the flu a couple years ago and could barely drag myself to "mandatory" training

porkchopexpress says

I had it. Moderate flu. Wife and kids had it fairly easy. I know several coworkers who had it. Most were fine but a couple got hit really hard. It’s real.

Oh it’s real. Glad yours was mild. Most people’s are. It is too bad a very tiny minority of people don’t survive it. And yet when you look at the impact the virus has had on human health, the response (lockdowns, shutdowns and resulting economic impact) has been a much larger burden on human health than the disease.

Onvacation says

.porkchopexpress says

Most were fine but a couple got hit really hard. It’s real.

Is it worth shutting down the world for the great reset real?

I got the flu a couple years ago and could barely drag myself to "mandatory" training

I guess it depends. If hospitals are slammed then I think we have to lock down. Otherwise, I don’t think lockdown makes sense...it’s then a matter of what risks people want to take for their own personal health.

I know six who got sick. Three who died, two of them my cousins, one of them my spouse's cousin.

Two other 40-ish SF Hipsters who got horribly ill but recovered without going to the hospital.

A nephew tested positive and had no symptoms.

porkchopexpress says

it’s then a matter of what risks people want to take for their own personal health.

Freedom is the answer...ALWAYS.

What state has the most old people? Is it Florida? How come Florida is open and no one's crying and dying like it's a pandemic?

South Dakota and Sweden never shut down either. Amazingly life goes on!

WineHorror1 says

What state has the most old people? Is it Florida? How come Florida is open and no one's crying and dying like it's a pandemic?

Not only is Florida open, it has less ICU occupation than this time (typically the heart of the flu season) in 2019 or 2018

Actually, my neice (40 years old) and her daughter got it. Wasn't big news AT ALL because I didn't even hear about it until 2 months later.

My brother got it.
He is:
1. Overweight
2. 69 years old
3. Slightly asthmatic

Symptoms were:
1. Lethargy
2. Lack of appetite
3. Lack of thirst
4. No fever (interesting)

He was in the hospital for a day or so and hydrated with an IV.
He is okay, out and about, and lost 25 lbs.
I don’t know if he took HQL, etc.

You are not going to know many Patrick, most people who are sick are very old. Local hospital has a lot of patients, they are all 65+, not your age group. Literally not one below 60, few people in early 60's...

This whole thing, how lockdowns work, is retarded.

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I've belived since spring that there are two strains of this thing. One mild, the other aggressive. Its all based on anecdotal evidence though. Since March, I know a few that had it directly, and a half dozen who had to quaritine because they were in contact with somone who had it.

Some said it was the worst flu ever, but are now fine and didn't see spread to the rest of their house or people they were in contact with.

Conversely I know others who got it, saw it spread rapidly amongst their friends / relatives and are still not 100% months later. Most common after affect is fatigue from what I've heard.

One guy, typical middle aged male, was in hospital for a week and even after the virus cleared has struggled with lingering respatory issues and fatigue since.

As for comobidities, yeah they were involved in the person that passed, but the covid put them "over the top" so to speak. No doubt about it.

Let's face it most of techincally have at least one comorbidity be it age, asthma, high blood pressure, weight, diabetes, whatever. Stuff that under normal conditions can be managed. Were not exactly a flock of 20 somethings....

https://patrick.net/post/1337288/2020-12-27-is-every-regular-pat-net-poster-gen-x

If there are multiple strains, mabey its different here in the Northeast compared to what you have out in Cali. Or wherever you're from.

It drives me crazy when people say it doesn't exist. Yes it does. And since it very well may have been engineered in that biolab we don't 100% know what were dealing with here or what the after effect of catching it are, months or years down the line.

GreaterNYCDudeIsLookingForAJob says

If there are multiple strains, mabey its different here in the Northeast compared to what you have out in Cali. Or wherever you're from.

Maybe. But is that reason to shut down the world?

Onvacation says

GreaterNYCDudeIsLookingForAJob says

If there are multiple strains, mabey its different here in the Northeast compared to what you have out in Cali. Or wherever you're from.

Maybe. But is that reason to shut down the world?

There was never reason. They should have let it rage, run through everyone, kill of the already nearly dead, and have been done with it.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

They should have let it rage, run through everyone, kill of the already nearly dead, and have been done with it

Like it did in 1918, which shortened World War I from which it originated no doubt.

NDrLoR says

in 1918, which shortened World War I from which it originated no doubt.

A major German offensive was called off in the final weeks of the war because too many soldiers were too ill.

Two people (40's) I know indirectly died but they were obese. Several other people (including an >80year old in our family) I know recovered very well and had mild or flu-like symptoms.

GreaterNYCDudeIsLookingForAJob says

I've belived since spring that there are two strains of this thing. One mild, the other aggressive.

Can you please explain then, why 2 people in the same household can get Covid but 1 is mild and one is aggressive? If they got the Covid from each other, it's the same strain. Duh

NoCoupForYou says

Damn, they be smart in Canada.

GreaterNYCDudeIsLookingForAJob says

As for comobidities, yeah they were involved in the person that passed, but the covid put them "over the top" so to speak. No doubt about it.

Let's face it most of techincally have at least one comorbidity be it age, asthma, high blood pressure, weight, diabetes, whatever. Stuff that under normal conditions can be managed. Were not exactly a flock of 20 somethings....

First, sincerely sorry for your loss. And I don't care why someone dies, their death should be respected, and not politicized. They're people, not stats or pawns.

I do think you may have been taught that a low quality of life is the norm, and acceptable though, and I'd like to encourage you that this is absolutely false. My family has practiced preventive health for 10 years. We almost never get sick, almost never have or use health insurance, and have almost no chronic conditions. My wife and oldest daughter were both born with asthma, but as we've journeyed down the road of prevention, their symptoms have subsided to the point where I can't remember the last time either one used an inhaler.
So no, not everyone lives with chronic sickness. But, yes, for those that do, anything can be the straw that breaks the camels back. Your immune system can only stand so much abuse before it caves and you die. I encourage you to raise your bar on health, and I hope those you know do as well, so you never have to lose another person close to you for preventable reasons.

The fact that many of us don't know people who have been sick doesn't mean there isn't a real disease affecting people, no one is saying that. We're just providing evidence that classifying this as a pandemic seems overblown, if not outright fraud. It's the approach that's the issue, not the disease.

NuttBoxer says

My family has practiced preventive health for 10 years.

It would be wonderful if you did a post on this.

NuttBoxer says

We're just providing evidence that classifying this as a pandemic seems overblown, if not outright fraud. It's the approach that's the issue, not the disease.

The unprecedented approach!

This is tyranny, plain and simple. Look what is happening in Britain and the commonwealth with their covid laws. Coming to a police encounter near you.

I know exactly one.
Unpleasantly ill for a week, sought medical advice only because he has a heart condition and was worried based on a year of non-stop media fear porn. No residual problems.
Speaking of which, Post Viral Syndrome was not something talked about much before Covid but lingering effects, due largely to the inflammatory response I believe, from the Flu and other viruses was common. This could include increased risk for heart attack/stroke, secondary infections, and fatigue syndromes like Guillain Barre.
I have a pal that had the flu in the 80’s and complains that he has never felt completely recovered.

I had the chicken pox as an adult and my lung capacity was never the same. Should have got it when I was a kid.

I also drives me nuts that people continuously conflate CASE fatality rate with INFECTION fatality rate.

The CASE fatality rate is the rate of death among people who present themselves for treatment, about 1.4%. They are usually seriously ill.

The INFECTION fatality rate is only 0.3% because the majority of infected people never get sick enough to see a doctor, or even to know that they were sick at all.

It's important that people know that even if everyone in the US were infected, nowhere near 4.3 million would die!

It would be more like 330,000,000 x 0.003 = 990,000

This is a 4.6x difference.

Patrick says

I also drives me nuts that people continuously conflate CASE fatality rate with INFECTION fatality rate.

The CASE fatality rate is the rate of death among people who present themselves for treatment, about 1.4%. They are usually seriously ill.

The INFECTION fatality rate is only 0.3% because the majority of infected people never get sick enough to see a doctor, or even to know that they were sick at all.

It's important that people know that even if everyone in the US were infected, nowhere near 4.3 million would die!

It would be more like 330,000,000 x 0.003 = 990,000

This is a 4.6x difference.

And that's if we are even to believe how the deaths are counted. Lies upon lies.

G36 says

Two people (40's) I know indirectly died but they were obese.

Don't know the time NoCoup's graph above was pulled. But you're saying you know 2 of the ~5,300 people 35-44 that have died from Covid out of a nation of 330M+? 0.0016 of people that age have died in the country. The odds of you knowing 2 are almost zero.

Obesity with Covid is generally not the cause at 40. It usually much more severe illnesses such as Cancer. Even morbidly obese 40 year olds are not dying from covid. You have a better chance of being struck by lightening and living versus knowing two 40 year olds that died from Covid.

Patrick, keep in mind that a lot o people consider this personal and don’t share publicly.

Also, many people had it who didn’t know they had it.

You get sick and most people recover as they do from the flu.

Robert Sproul says

I know exactly one.
Unpleasantly ill for a week, sought medical advice only because he has a heart condition and was worried based on a year of non-stop media fear porn. No residual problems.
Speaking of which, Post Viral Syndrome was not something talked about much before Covid but lingering effects, due largely to the inflammatory response I believe, from the Flu and other viruses was common. This could include increased risk for heart attack/stroke, secondary infections, and fatigue syndromes like Guillain Barre.
I have a pal that had the flu in the 80’s and complains that he has never felt completely recovered.

Agreed. Had post viral/cfs for 5 years til full recovery it was brutal but clung to my job and pushed through. Nobody gave a shit back then since it was caused by either atypical swine flu, ebv or some other common virus. Now everybody is running around screaming zomg!covid!serious!long!term!issues! They can go fuck themselves. This is not particular to Covid and before the lamestream media and leftoids whipped up a frenzy they gave a shit about post-viral/cfs patients some of the worst cases which are living in seclusion with little help since nobody fully believes them and since there are so many welfare scammers abusing the system. Goes to show you how politicized Covid is, full of fear porning hypocrites with an agenda.

So, I know about 50 people at this point. The only one who got sick was my father this past month (Age 69) . He was sick for 2.5 weeks, lost 14 pounds. Eventually recovered. He's a doctor. He actually took the vaccine while still symptomatic. My brother got it and lost his sense of taste/smell and had a cough. Mostly everyone else had a headache and a body ache for a few days at best.

porkchopexpress says

If hospitals are slammed then I think we have to lock down.

Disagree.

Hospital ships, tent hospitals, FEMA, M*A*S*H*. Divert manufacturing to produce PPE. Train people to care for the poor dying covid patients! We are at war and no resource should be held back.

But no.

The fear porn tells us the ambulances are lined up outside the hospital. They have so many dead that they have to put them in refrigerated meat trucks. They have to take a helicopter ride to certain doom! But when you drive by the hospital they are empty except for the nurses practicing their latest tic toc routine.

Give the maskers their asked for 6 feet when out in the wild and respectfully cover your face in stores and restaurants. Entrepreneurial business owners are under the same tyrannical system as us, worse. Fuck those corporate chinese sellouts like walmart.

Remember, the only reason we wear the mask is to spread fear. If someone gets in your face for not wearing a mask outdoors, ask for your "social distance", start filming, and ask them to call 911 if they think there is a crime in progress.

That actually sounds fun! Anyone want to join me to do that in GG Park? Oh, wait, I would get fired after I was arrested.

If you live somewhere you still can, go outdoors without a mask. Make eye contact and say hello, or good morning, strike up a "socially distant" conversation. People die without human contact and commerce, not so much from the Wuhan Flu.

Second person we know has fully recovered. No serious issues or lingering side-effects. And she is definitely what you'd consider unhealthy.

Another New Covid-19 Variant Discovered In L.A. Might Be Vaccine Resistant

Dr. Charles Chiu, a virologist and professor of laboratory medicine at UCSF who, in concert with state authorities, has been genetically sequencing test samples to identify new variants said early indications are the L452R might be less susceptible to the currently approved vaccines, but more investigation is needed.

So, the experimental biologic agent might not work on the new Wuhan strain. It might not work on the old one. It might not work at all. It might kill you.

They are never planning on letting us go.