patrick.net

WineHorror1 says

Patrick says

WookieMan says

Beating a dead horse here, but municipal debt and shortfalls are the biggest concern in my opinion.

Maybe mell is right that it's not that the market is up, it's that the dollar is down. And if they print more to bail out places like SF, the inflation would just be all the greater.

I'm a bit confused...if all the money being created is only enough to keep debt afloat and people in the houses, how can inflation go crazy, you're simply filling the cup back up to where it was. As long as you're not overflowing the cup, how can there be inflation?

If you don't see the pattern here. Bush was mailing out $300. Obama was what? $800? Now we are at bi-quarterly payments where my household is getting $2400. How long before they are mailing us $10k each quarter. It goes overseas through paying for imports, and that money comes back and buys our stock market/real estate. Next thing you know, SF apartments are $2 million dollars. There's been plenty of inflation.

theoakman says

Now we are at bi-quarterly payments where my household is getting $2400.

You lucky baaaastard!

Yes, I added a record number of Hummers to the fleet last year. I'll be sorry to see them go.

theoakman says

WineHorror1 says

Patrick says

WookieMan says

Beating a dead horse here, but municipal debt and shortfalls are the biggest concern in my opinion.

Maybe mell is right that it's not that the market is up, it's that the dollar is down. And if they print more to bail out places like SF, the inflation would just be all the greater.

I'm a bit confused...if all the money being created is only enough to keep debt afloat and people in the houses, how can inflation go crazy, you're simply filling the cup back up to where it was. As long as you're not overflowing the cup, how can there be inflation?

If you don't see the pattern here. Bush was mailing out $300. Obama was what? $800? Now we are at bi-quarterly payments where my ho...

Well I don't know about SF, prices have been dropping like a rock as people are fleeing the literal shithole, many now below their previous purchase prices. The housing market is not a pure sellers market anymore but inflation will guarantee that it won't crash. For a crash you need to see mass layoffs at big companies, esp tech. And those are still printing money as we type.

Fucking globalists want to enslave us. If they win there won’t be correction without revolution. Only revolutions overthrow fucked up ruling classes.

@mell

They may be fleeing the city, but their just moving out to the suburbs. My buddy who lives in Mill Valley has seen his house almost double in the last 3 years.

Dholliday126 says

@mell

They may be fleeing the city, but their just moving out to the suburbs. My buddy who lives in Mill Valley has seen his house almost double in the last 3 years.

True to some extent, but there is an overall exodus out of CA as the problems will sprawl into the burbs. The fat years are over, you may see inflation adjusted gains in house prices at best. Even the most optimistic (due to self interest bias) engines such as zillow forecast not more than 10% appreciation for the "hottest" areas in SFH (not condos/apts/townhouses) at best. Which is still great as an inflation hedge but you won't see anything double anymore within the next decade IMO. Also more houses are hitting the market everywhere, with cities leading of course. If CA hangs onto prop13 prices should hold or appreciate better. Once govt taps into dismantling prop13 look out below.

mell says

Inflation is the stimulus checks, each and every dollar. It's money created out of thin air for no work. The debt forgiveness = inflation, moratoriums = inflation. Covid personal and business loans = inflation. It's everywhere.

The covid tests, consumables and everything else on Covid orders or Covid related business is a 80% margin business.

80% margin = INFLATION

Also keep in mind that the cost of living in CA, esp. bay area has been inflating an an even higher pace IMO so you "need" those gains. Energy, trash, traffic/tolls, school tuition, childcare, healthcare and of course rising taxes are all out of control. It doesn't matter if you move to another area where your house value stagnated or even depreciates as long as you pay next to nothing in taxes and cost of living compared to CA.

Dholliday126 says

@mell

They may be fleeing the city, but their just moving out to the suburbs. My buddy who lives in Mill Valley has seen his house almost double in the last 3 years.

Also I'm skeptical of the house values presented, I have been working with a realtor and while it's true that the nice houses which are also good deals in the burbs usually sell relatively fast I have not seen any bidding wars or multiple offers. Usually an offer comes in around the ask and gets accepted. Many sellers try to overprice and you can find plenty of properties sitting on the market for months. If you take zillow for reference I assume the real home value to roughly 10-15% below what they list.

Here's somebody who predicts a crash:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/investing-legend-sees-spectacular-crash-next-few-months

Robert Sproul says

As I have learned the hard way, it is pretty easy to see what is going to happen, and incredibly hard to cipher out when.

Exactly. "The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent."

Shaman says

I don’t know about you guys but my family income climbed significantly this year. Both I and my wife made quite a bit more. We felt a little guilty so dropped some large donations on a youth shelter.

2020 was my best year ever if you count unrealized stock market gains.

mell says

I have been working with a realtor and while it's true that the nice houses which are also good deals in the burbs usually sell relatively fast I have not seen any bidding wars or multiple offers. Usually an offer comes in around the ask and gets accepted. Many sellers try to overprice and you can find plenty of properties sitting on the market for months. If you take zillow for reference I assume the real home value to roughly 10-15% below what they list.

Where?

mell says

theoakman says

WineHorror1 says

Patrick says

WookieMan says

Beating a dead horse here, but municipal debt and shortfalls are the biggest concern in my opinion.

Maybe mell is right that it's not that the market is up, it's that the dollar is down. And if they print more to bail out places like SF, the inflation would just be all the greater.

I'm a bit confused...if all the money being created is only enough to keep debt afloat and people in the houses, how can inflation go crazy, you're simply filling the cup back up to where it was. As long as you're not overflowing the cup, how can there be inflation?

If you don't see the pattern here. Bush was mail...

Yes, that's a definitely true. People are fleeing SF, NYC, and other places. Consider this, how does a SF apartment go from $250k to $2 million while you have drug addicts shitting outside your home when a nice property allows you to live much better? Why did the same exact thing happen to my sister's shitty apartment in NYC go from $200k to $600k while a communist mayor destroys the entire city bringing it back to the 70s? Now, people finally see the writing on the wall....or don't. People are fleeing NYC en masse. You know what they are doing? They are buying up properties in my neighborhood bidding them through the roof in New Jersey. We are no better off, with our idiot governor shutting down the entire state and waging war on every business destroying his tax base. Yet, our home prices grow by $200k in the midst of 15% unemployment?

All of that inflation always flies into the real estate market because when those dollars we send overseas come back, they buy up our prime real estate. The system is going to continue to bleed in all facets and inflation is inevitable.

TARP was the biggest bailout and when it happened, we couldn't conceive it. We've had what, the equivalent of 3 TARPs last year and Biden's talking about stimulus of 1.9 trillion, another 2 TARPs. That's literally teh equivalent of 5 TARPs in a one year span. Even if we keep it going another 10 years, they've only gotten worse and now state governments are finally realizing they literally are broke. The federal government is fast realizing they are broke as well. The amount of money that we spend to pay off interest on the national debt as a percentage of GDP is quickly getting out of control. They are too big and they've destroyed their tax bases. They are going to need bailouts as well. How long before we are up to bailouts equal to 10 TARPs?

B.A.C.A.H. says

mell says

I have been working with a realtor and while it's true that the nice houses which are also good deals in the burbs usually sell relatively fast I have not seen any bidding wars or multiple offers. Usually an offer comes in around the ask and gets accepted. Many sellers try to overprice and you can find plenty of properties sitting on the market for months. If you take zillow for reference I assume the real home value to roughly 10-15% below what they list.

Where?

Anywhere but SF is on the table, likely north of. Eventually out of state.

MAGA says

I'm amazed at houses going pending after only a couple days on the market. Unless the property is a exceptional deal, no way would I be buying right now.

If you are already on the property ladder and just swapping properties you can’t lose. We bought in 2011 and our home doubled in price. We are now deciding in the next year whether to buy a slightly bigger and fully done home a little further out in the burbs or to just stay put and upgrade our current home that’s closer to city and work. My work has floated permanent work from home for me... so it will depend on that coming to fruition or not.

Buying a first home without home equity to cash in on at the same time is riskier.

Compare the price to the annual rent divided by the current interest rate.

If the price is higher than that rent / interest rate, then the house is overpriced.

Example: rent of $12,000 per year, interest rate of 0.04 => value of house is 12000 / 0.04 = $300,000

I just sold the last of my investment properties. I bought my properties during the housing crash. The purchase prices were below the insurance replacement price by quite a bit. Therefore, the value of the land was a negative value. This occurred across broad swaths of America. Yes, even in the Inland Empire the banks were paying people to take the land. Wall Street hedge funds swooped in and scooped up about 7% of America's housing stock at better than giveaway prices.. This was done mostly with money loaned by the banks that the government bailed out. They were bought from the banks through short sales and foreclosure auctions, sometimes in bulk. This was a huge transfer of real wealth from the middle class to Wall Street. There were about 8 million foreclosures. Anyone with cash and/or intact credit could participate because the market was so vast.

Nowadays, the value of an acre of land is not a negative figure, but instead is quite valuable. I never met the person who bought from me. He trusted his Realtor, placed a purchase order sight unseen to buy the house at $5k over asking, and bought using an FHA loan with 3,5% down.

While it is possible that real estate prices will continue their trajectory to the moon, I have decided to watch how things play out with a big bag of popcorn.

I've tried to convince my wife that we should sell and pocket the profits, and rent for a few years in the same location. Our little community has a history of price swings.

But she doesn't want to move again. /sigh

rocketjoe79 says

I've tried to convince my wife that we should sell and pocket the profits, and rent for a few years in the same location. Our little community has a history of price swings.

But she doesn't want to move again. /sigh

She's smart and knows that trying to time the RE market is a bad strategy.