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We will be coerced into the vaccination. Like, if we want to do certain stuff. Also some employers may start to require it.

The 'brain fog' stuff is pretty real in the people we know. It's like rapid brain aging, or a mild closed head injury with short term and some long term memory blown. I don't know if that's permanent or temporary.

Yikes Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnmN2WrU8pE

Nope, not getting shot with that shit no matter what.

Lot of business are opening and expecting some % to be in the office from next week. Some folks already got it at (far leftist) work place. I am nervous that employer might force indirectly and track since I have to be in the building occasionally. The young and normal looking woman in admin side passed away recently. No disclosure of the any information on what happened.

mich says

Yikes Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnmN2WrU8pE

You can tell from the white coat con man in the video that they have their fake news scripts and actors already worked out for: vaccine not working. What that smirking fuck said is pure bullshit. Anybody below 60 in reasonable health have virtually zero chance of serious illness or hospitalization from "Covid" anyway. I already know somebody who may have died and another hospitalized from the vaccine. The dead guy doesn't have to worry about Covid any more, but the hospitalized lady can still get it?

I am sure they have their script baloney all worked out for all of the eventualities.

just_passing_through says

Sounds like they are going to try to force fucking vaccine passports on Americans next.

Whoever "they" are should die. Let me know if that comment is out of bounds Patrick. Don't want to get anyone in trouble.

B.A.C.A.H. says

We will be coerced into the vaccination. Like, if we want to do certain stuff. Also some employers may start to require it.

How is that legal though? It's one thing to require a helmet at a construction site. To be forced to be ingested with something is another thing in my world. Anti-vaxxer's get their kids in public schools all the time. What is the difference now? Not saying it cannot happen and this is more of an open ended question/comment.

I've never worked a corporate job or government job, so maybe I'm naive. Don't think I could work for a corp that makes me get a shot though. But I get people have to make ends meet. I won't touch the vaccine for 5 years minimum. Nobody has any idea of any long term effects. That's fact. I keep hearing that it is a classic flu shot that you need to get annually for it to be effective. Count me out on a virus vaccine for my age that has something like a 99.99% survival rate. A vaccine that still doesn't stop the spread of it as well. Just doesn't make you sick.

theoakman says

I got Pfizer early on. 1st shot made me feel like crap. 2nd shot absolutely fucking wrecked me for 5 days. I was lethargic the following week after that. My whole family got covid last week. I can confirm, the vaccine actually did work as I ate my son's leftover pizza and he was coughing in my face all day. They all tested positive but I was negative. But yes, getting covid is probably easier than the vaccine for anyone under 40.

Could it be possible that your family got sick, because you got the "jab?"

I can deal with short-term, temporary pain, but I'm more worried about long-term/permanent effects. I've read that when they tested mRNA vaccines on rats, it ultimately killed them because it made their immune response go hyperactive when exposed to viruses in the wild. This RNA "messaging" can't be undone.

Blue says

I am nervous that employer might force indirectly and track since I have to be in the building occasionally

That’s illegal. It’s an experimental drug and can’t be mandated. If the employer approaches you about it, just give them the contact for your lawyer. Lawyers scare everyone. Honestly I wouldn’t even explain myself to such an employer. For anything political like the vaccine, just have your lawyer do all the talking.

joshuatrio says

Could it be possible that your family got sick, because you got the "jab?"

As much as I dislike the vaccine, it doesn’t work that way. I’m very concerned, however, about long-term issues with autoimmune disease. Everything from Crohns to lupus to MS and psoriasis and cancer are possible from immune system malfunction. Even sudden death from weirder immune responses, which have claimed almost 2000 lives so far from the vaccine.

I deeply mistrust the government and the vaccine. If you were to go about removing a great swath of the population who were the least useful to society, this would be a great way to do it. Oldsters and white collar parasites with Leftist proclivities would fall like barley stalks before the thresher. Thanks to the prohibition on vaccinating children, the younger generations would survive to become workers. And the eaters would be dead and gone.

Just a possibility, but one I can’t rule out. I guess we will see who is right a couple years from now, and who is dead.

Shaman says

As much as I dislike the vaccine, it doesn’t work that way. I’m very concerned, however, about long-term issues with autoimmune disease. Everything from Crohns to lupus to MS and psoriasis and cancer are possible from immune system malfunction. Even sudden death from weirder immune responses, which have claimed almost 2000 lives so far from the vaccine.

Understand, but this is why I thought it was a possibility based on the below research:

"The FDA confirms that the 1st vaccine dose correlates with increased COVID-19 infections. "Suspected COVID-19 cases that occurred within 7 days after any vaccination were 409 in the vaccine group vs 287 in the placebo group." This data comes from Pfizer itself. See p 42 of https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

My wife's aunt has severe MS and got the jab - she's fucked up and required a lot of extra care by her grandmother and son. I'm not sure if she went to the hospital, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Jeebus. I've never seen so much consipiracy theory. Yeah, it might cross your mind, but what does occams razor say? If anything, it will be unintended consequences, rather than any kind of malice that has any kind of side effects. FYI, I got the jab yesterday. Over 40. First jab. slightly sore shoulder.. nothing else.

There IS always a small % chance that anything you do, including this vaccine, will fuck you up. But there is also a small chance that Covid , even if you are a healthy adult under 55, will give you long term side effects. So if you do, or if you don't, you are taking a risk. The mRNA doesn't self replicate, so to me that risk is lower.. the virus does self replicate... and may also mutate. But like I said, both risks are small, so no idea why people are trying to conspiracy theory this shit and pump up the risk assesment?

If you are worried, try talking to yourself logically. Answer out loud to yourself.. I think the risk that the vaccine will fuck me up is... 1% .. 10% .. 50% ? And yes, it is an "experimental biological". 100 million people have "got the jab" so far. How many cases of death or complication are you hearing about?

I'm not telling you you should get the vaccine. I'm telling you to think for yourself. Same reason you aren't worried about "missing out on housing" and the reason you are here on patrick.net. I get that we are seeing other "conspiracies" with the country's finances. But I'm still convinced, it's not a "conspiracy" as much as selective ignorance, and a lack of empathy for people they are responsible to but don't know personally. And yes, that's dangerous, but it's not really misanthropic. The statement we joke about is literally, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Zak says

I'm not telling you you should get the vaccine. I'm telling you to think for yourself.

I am.

Please tell me why we need a vaccine for something with a 99.9+% survival rate.

If a mrna vaccine for SARS couldn't be completed because it was deemed "too dangerous" - and 100% of animals it was tested on died, why the fuck would anyone inject THIS particular shit into themselves - which hasn't even been tested on animals? https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/99d35b02-a5cb-41e6-ad80-a070f8a5ee17/SMDwhitepaper.pdf

Someone “dislikes” that I got the shot.
He doesn’t understand that it’s my decision and I’m ready to accept the consequences for it.
Either way, I am not harming anyone, it’s not like speeding or drunk driving.

Just ran into my neighbor who got the 2nd shot last week. She's in her early 70's.

Always a vibrant, fun lady to talk to. She looked like hell. Skin was discolored, appeared lethargic and something seemed off.

clambo says

Someone “dislikes” that I got the shot.
He doesn’t understand that it’s my decision and I’m ready to accept the consequences for it.
Either way, I am not harming anyone, it’s not like speeding or drunk driving.

You’re absolutely right. It is your choice and even we who think it’s a poor choice should respect your agency to decide for yourself.

I wish people understood biology, viruses and diseases better, but they don't. I am in awe that they allow themselves to be lemminged into being human experiments, with no upside except faith in official entities that have already belittled, deceived and abused them.

It's not something that I can control, but it's also something I don't enjoy watching.

Surprised?

Just got a text from a fried minutes ago. Got the 2nd poke. She's happy but nervous. Word is getting out about side effects. And for that reason, I'm out. Even sent a picture of her "vaccine" card. lol. WTF have humans become?

WookieMan says

Just got a text from a fried minutes ago. Got the 2nd poke. She's happy but nervous. Word is getting out about side effects. And for that reason, I'm out. Even sent a picture of her "vaccine" card. lol. WTF have humans become?

Yep.

There's a ton of related vax side effect content out there on forums though - which is easy to find right now. Ultimately, it's one massive ass experiment. If I were to even remotely consider getting one, it wouldn't be for another 5-10 years lol.

You can keep your fucking passport.

I found the FB group. Here's a few..



"My friend is a 50yr old male with no underlying health conditions who’s had the Astra Zeneca vaccine. He’s currently in hospital as has suffered an adverse reaction to it. This is his own words:

“They tell me that over active antibodies have killed off all of my blood platelet cells. These are essential for enabling blood to clot. Whatever was put through the tube last night was designed to flush away the rogue antibodies. If this has been successful they will then build back up my platelet count. If I start bleeding anywhere now then it won't stop”"

This is what happened to my neighbors face... I was like wtf is wrong with it... Here is the perfect example.

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

Just show them your death certificate.

Here's the group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/allvaccinesarefake

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

No.

from: https://www.mlb.com/giants/news/giants-oracle-park-fan-health-and-safety-guidelines

"In order to gain entry, all fans 12 years or older will be required to take a COVID-19 test with negative results or provide proof of a full COVID-19 vaccination."

We can expect more of this sort of thing.

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

Sometimes I think of forging a vaccination card, but not being honest enables the people pushing this crap.

What I do say is it is an experimental biologic agent whose human trials will be complete in 2023. In the mean time I will take my chances with a cold.

If it is ever proven safe and effective I still won't get it. There are many effective treatments for the cold that don't involve gene therapy.

B.A.C.A.H. says

"In order to gain entry, all fans 12 years or older will be required to take a COVID-19 test with negative results or provide proof of a full COVID-19 vaccination."

We can expect more of this sort of thing.

It's been going on for a while. I know I piss you off with my travel talk, but it's my jam/hobby.

Puerto Rico and St. Thomas have been doing it for quite some time now. My biggest concern is the vaccination for entry that is starting to creep in, not just a negative test. My health insurance covers it, so I'll go to a CVS and rub the swab on my balls and get a negative test to travel.

I'm hoping private businesses blow it off and don't cave to the vocal minority. Sports teams kind of have to after losing an entire season of revenue from tickets, parking and concessions in stadium. Opening day here in Chicago and Wrigley is at 10k ticketed fans. It's usually a sell out EVERY year even if they suck, which they mostly do.

Which brings me back to one of the horses I beat. Tax revenue is massively lower. There's going to be more money printing for muni's that are broke and weren't responsible in the first place. I may be hyperbolic, but by the end of the Biden admin I think the national debt will be north of $50T. Bold claim, but we have massive structural problems.

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

"I prefer not to discuss my medical issues with anyone except my doctor".

"Please tell me why we need a vaccine for something with a 99.9+% survival rate."

The flu has a higher survival rate. I still get a flu shot. And that's only like 25% effective due to how many strains of the flu there are each year.

Why?
Well first, getting the flu sucks. It knocks me on my ass for up to a week sometimes. But to be fair, I only get the flu probably every 2-3 years... so probably only 10-15 times so far over the course of my life. And I don't mean just getting sick = the flu. No.

From what I understand, Covid can be flu-like for some, and for others it can knock you on your ass. However, it IS spreading like literal wildfire. That means mutations and potentially different side effects and immunities. If you are vaccinated.. and if LOTS of us are vaccinated... that cuts down on the ability of the virus to mutate. You agree, right? It's simple math. You can show this with literal 4th grade multiplication.

Now, as to the risk side.. right here in this thread, I see people quoting that the vaccine has a 12x death rate as compared to the virus. LOL! Yeah, so 100 million people have gotten the jab, and its seeming like about 20% of the population has been infected, or 70 million. Yet here Josh is posting stories that claim a 12x death rate from the vaccine.. Like.. what!?!? a 12x death rate would mean we see 6 million people dead from the vaccine. That's literally what the news "story" posting says. Can you not see through that bullshit?!? I think we might know if 6 million people were dead from the vaccine...

So take a step back. Something is wrong with your risk analysis when you are posting stories that are clearly propoganda like that. What is going on that you are buying these outlandish risk claims...

Also, I get that anecdotal stories can be scary... "Mom got the jab, 4 days later shes dead." But did you know... statistically speaking, a bunch of people have died driving to or from getting their vaccine. Is that because of the vaccine also? Everything is a risk. Anecdotal stories can really suck. But what is the real risk?

Don't get me wrong. I ask these same questions with the stupid public health policies we are putting in place. Lockdowns as implemented are moronic. There is a definite risk profile of who we have seen getting severe side effects or death, so those people should be warned to isolate, the rest of us should take precautions that have a shown efficacy, but we should generally go about our business without shutting down businesses. The stupidest thing I have seen yet is outdoor camping in the desert shut down.

And it is a true fact that suicides are up BECAUSE of the lockdown. I'm not sure what the % is per age range vs covid mortality though, but I also haven't seen a single point of data on how the actions we are taking are affecting the mortality rate "are restrictions working?". Despite all of this public policy stupidity, the vaccine makes sense.

Zak says

Also, I get that anecdotal stories can be scary... "Mom got the jab, 4 days later shes dead." But did you know... statistically speaking, a bunch of people have died driving to or from getting their vaccine. Is that because of the vaccine also?

The same can be applied to all the Covid death anecdotes, no?

WookieMan says

but by the end of the Biden admin I think the national debt will be north of $50T. Bold claim, but we have massive structural problems.

$60T, It has doubled with every president.

WookieMan says

Sports teams kind of have to after losing an entire season of revenue from tickets, parking and concessions in stadium. Opening day here in Chicago and Wrigley is at 10k ticketed fans. It's usually a sell out EVERY year even if they suck, which they mostly do.

Speaking of sportsball, looks like the NFL has extended their season from 16 to 17 games. Wonder why that could be...