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ThreeBays says

The stats show what people died from, and they show there's no impact.

Was it worth it? How many lives do you think were saved by the lockdowns, masking, social distancing, restricting travel, closing schools, and suspending the first amendment?

ThreeBays says

Nobody suspended the first amendment.

Do you even know what the first amendment is?

Maybe you mean that because our first amendment is a right the government CAN"T restrict it?

Restricted it is.

ThreeBays says

I think we saved 1.5 Million lives.

You got the vax. What is your comorbidity?

ThreeBays says

Nobody suspended the first amendment.

Of course and not only the first A. And they "saved" close to zero lives as the curves were dropping sharply even before the vaccine rollout due to herd immunity. Norway calculated that the chance of death is higher from the vaccine than from covid and stopped vaccinating. It's actually possible that longer term lives are lost net net as we don't know about cumulative side-effects.

ThreeBays says

did it for the community

Plenty of vaxxed people still get covid. Now you may say less serious / asymptomatic and thus less "infectious", but that's what was argued in favor of kids and asymptomatic/ healthy adults, yet they were forced by threat of punishment and violence to wear masks, so ergo not much if anything at all was done for the community by vaccination. Can't have it both ways. Better keep wearing that mask til eternity.

ThreeBays says

My wife and I and everybody I know did it for the community and to get our schools open.

Schools should have never been closed. You're free to inject what you want, but it's not necessary.

ThreeBays says

If you're healthy, that's more reason to not be scared of it.

No one is scared. No one needs it. It doesn't stop the spread of covid. It minimizes symptoms. If anything it's likely to put those susceptible to a negative outcome more at risk as people loosening hygiene standards because they think they're "immune" from it. People still die from classic influenza AFTER being vaccinated. No different this time around.

Let the body do its work. Stay healthy. Everyone that still has 9 holes to play in life is going to get this virus. Vaccinated or not.

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Onvacation says

You got the vax. What is your comorbidity?

Hehe, I'm not worried about my own safety from covid or from the vaccine.

Huh. I kind of figured it was obesity.

Why would a perfectly healthy person take the experimental biologic agent? Asymptomatic spreading has been thoroughly debunked.

ThreeBays says

mell says

Now you may say less serious / asymptomatic and thus less "infectious", but that's what was argued in favor of kids and asymptomatic/ healthy adults, yet they were forced by threat of punishment and violence to wear masks, so ergo not much if anything at all was done for the community by vaccination. Can't have it both ways. Better keep wearing that mask til eternity.

That was rather unintelligible, but anyway masks are hardly the only metric. Lower deaths and hospitalizations, opening of businesses and schools, the ability to gather and attend sports events, all of those are more important than the mask issue.

Masks will be the last measure to be dropped, it's obvious. 85% of independents supported mask mandates... I dont think the GOP is gaining any points by arguing on this issue.

I don't care what goppers say either about this, masks are harmful when worn for a prolonged time and don't work for airborne viruses, and I won't subject any of my family to this bullshit voodoo science. When we're out and about there are no masks, if a private business requires them for a short time I'm ok with it. Not that it will do much of anything, but at least it's a choice to frequent such businesses and events. Outdoors the masks stay off and anyone is welcome to take a roundabout hike of about 3-30 ft or more if they like.

ThreeBays says

increase people's confidence

I still have to see a clinical study showing that masks work. I've see at least one reputable study that masks do not work (Danish study I posted a while ago, and no one here has shown that study is flawed). About vaccinations, they are helpful, but no one should be forced to vaccinate - if I am afraid of covid, I will vaccinate; if someone thinks he is better off without a vaccine, I am fine with him not getting vaccinated and if he contracts covid, it is his own damned problem.

However, policies should not be made just because they make people feel better and more confident. They should be made based on science, otherwise we are back to Salem witch trial-type situation "my crops failed because Mary did not wear a mask, so lets burn her"

ThreeBays says

That was rather unintelligible

Brain fog is a common side effect of the jab.

ThreeBays says

They left out the question about all the major league sports leagues selling out America. Fuck those racially oppressed multimillionaires.

ThreeBays says

Onvacation says

Brain fog is a common side effect of the jab.

I don't think Mell had the jab.

That was funny so one thumbs up

ThreeBays says

Onvacation says

Brain fog is a common side effect of the jab.

I don't think Mell had the jab.

Because Mell is smart and informed.

ThreeBays says

Vaccines and masks increase people's confidence to go back to normal. Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are barking up the wrong tree.

There's ZERO data showing masking has done anything. In fact once mask mandates were a thing, cases started rising. As I notice less people wearing them, cases start dropping. It's not "fact" but anecdotal info matters. Touching your mask 5 times a minute is way more than being maskless. AND the masks 90% of people wear can't stop a virus. A viral load can stick to it and make the situation worse.

What's going to happen is we'll see another massive wave. Because those that got vaccinated are going to be lacking on things like hand washing. You can still spread Covid or even other strains of flu if you're vaccinated. It's a virus. Just because your body is able to handle it naturally or via a vax, doesn't mean you still can't spread it. The cat is out of the god damn bag. This is basic, basic science. ER's were NEVER overrun with covid patients. Every news source replayed the same clip over and over of a busy ICU. Gee golly, never has that happened in the history of mankind. So we'll use the only clip we have.

The manipulation is obvious. Myself and others have been pointing it out for the last year on this site. The raw data is out there. If people were truly concern about keeping people alive, go look at data for heart disease. Many conditions that kill MOST people are controllable. You can't control a virus.

ThreeBays says

When the weather gets hot, your A/C goes on, when it gets cold your A/C goes off. Does that mean A/Cs make the weather hot?

Anecdotal info matters, and so dues critical thinking about cause & effect.

Dude, I'm not sure your point. You don't NEED A/C either way. You're kind of proving my point. My neighbors down the street don't use A/C during hot humid IL summers. They're still alive.

You need to be healthy. Eat well. This virus is a monster nothing burger if you do that. You don't need vaccination. You don't need a mask. This is all fact and science.

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WookieMan says

In fact once mask mandates were a thing, cases started rising. As I notice less people wearing them, cases start dropping. It's not "fact" but anecdotal info matters.

When the weather gets hot, your A/C goes on, when it gets cold your A/C goes off. Does that mean A/Cs make the weather hot?

Anecdotal info matters, and so does critical thinking. That's been missing often from you. Not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?

The burden is on you to prove that masks do anything but the obvious harm and you haven't done so, neither has anyone else. And you can't and since they do nothing for airborne viruses. So why are you still discussing this point. Wear one of it makes you feel better or if you want to avoid droplet based infections (which is NOT covid) just in case someone sneezes on you. But this is just beating not only a dead but an insanely wrong horse at this point.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

Dude, I'm not sure your point.

Yeah, I get it. Again not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?

Why would that matter? FYI you can attack me if you want, I don't care. I have a college degree. For my age, I'm a 1%'r financially. Degrees don't make one smart either. Money doesn't make one smart.

Anecdotal evidence matters if you're out and about enough. Not going to rehash past comments too much, but according to the narrative I should have gotten severely ill or died by now. So should my 3 kids now. 16 one way flights. Airports. Going out to eat 2x weekly. Not wearing masks. When a National Guard soldier at a point of entry in a US territory doesn't ask for your "mandated" covid test and says it's not a big deal, I don't know, that means something.

There are a lot of things I've experienced that this is bull shit. The biggest being that the 30+ people I know that have gotten covid are all alive and didn't even notice it. One guy went to the doctor. Not ER or ICU. He napped for a week, couldn't smell, and had a slightly more difficult time breathing (#HeWasFat)..

WookieMan says

What's going to happen is we'll see another massive wave. Because those that got vaccinated are going to be lacking on things like hand washing.

Nobody is getting vaccinated. They are taking an experimental biologic agent that does not confer immunity.

ThreeBays says

critical thinking. That's been missing often from you.

Not trying to be personal, but you may be projecting.

I have three degrees and multiple technical certifications. But you don't need an education to smell bullshit.

ThreeBays says

The data implies about 4 out of 5 people that have covid antibodies never knew / were never tested.

Amazing! For such a lethal disease.

So 80% of people who get the Wuhan don't even know?

ThreeBays says

Vaccines and masks increase people's confidence to go back to normal

Placebos have shown to be effective at treatment when the underlying cause was psychological.

Sort of a "perception is reality" situation.

The data is troubling. I've long been on the side that there is no pandemic because the total mortality data for 2020 didn't support it. This post had me rechecking the data and sure enough there was a huge spike in mortality (from all causes) in the last 9 weeks of 2020 that continued into the first 3-4 weeks of 2021. The spike in deaths at the end of the year is unusual, as every year from 2013 through 2020 had the spike occurring later in the spring. This is all based on CDC data through week 12 of 2021.

in 2018, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 3.13% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2019, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 5.97% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2020, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 15.07% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks

The total deaths for 2020 should have been slightly below 3 million, not 3.4 million. After the spring spike we were under trend and on track to come in at 3 million but something happened in the last 9 weeks - really accelerating in the last 5 weeks.

I have no faith in the how the CDC classifies the deaths because I believe they are supporting a narrative but I can't deny that there was an spike in overall deaths in late 2020/ early 2021 which is out of the ordinary. I will revisit in the fall to see if this was just an early spike (and if the spike is happening sooner every year) or if it predicted an unusually deadly 2021.

Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?

RC2006 says

Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?

Yes, I expect exactly that.

A lot of elderly were bumped off the ledge by this, but it doesn't take much to do them in.

I expect there to be more deaths per year next year and the following ten afterwards. Boomers are aging and dying. It’s inevitable. My boomer parents are getting up there. Have to make the most of the time they have left.
Covid was a bump in the mortality but it was already headed up as @threebays graph clearly shows. Covid probably advanced the deaths of several hundred thousand and another fifty or so who could have lasted another ten to twenty at their current levels of poor health.

The deaths from Covid are, however, insignificant in the long run. What is significant is the horrifyingly inappropriate Covid RESPONSE that many lefty run governments inflicted on the public. That will cause years and maybe even decades of problems, exacerbating poverty, crime, education drop-outs, and worsening the average situation for minorities across the USA significantly.

Just remember: when it came time to protect the rich old white people, they happily tossed PoC communities under the bus, laying off or firing almost all entertainment workers and service workers, a category that is MOSTLY filled by PoC. Then they lied these people into fear of Covid and loathing of their fellow citizens, and urged them to riot and loot to get their aggressions out.

It really was one of the most heinous and cynical policy decisions of all fucking time.
Only a bunch of sociopaths could have come up with it.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1386291162709901315#m

stfu says

there was a huge spike in mortality (from all causes) in the last 9 weeks of 2020 that continued into the first 3-4 weeks of 2021.

The hopeless time of year.

To live takes will.

For some, you can crush their body like it went into a press die and they will still live. Others catch a cold and it's the end. I've seen friends and family suffer near the end. It's never over until they give up the ghost.

A year of fascism with no end in site is kind of depressing. I suspect many of the extra deaths were caused by the despair of living in the twilight zone, Alone.


That and the oldest baby boomers are kicking the bucket.

Onvacation says

So 80% of people who get the Wuhan don't even know?

A gigantic study out of Wuhan indicates that asymptomatic spread is not significant:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
So they don't know it and it doesn't fucking matter.

Meanwhile, in China:

In China, from 3 January 2020 to 6:00pm CEST, 25 April 2021, there have been 103,464 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 4,856 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 17 April 2021, a total of 188,090,000 vaccine doses have been administered.

Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.

It's !!!!Science!!!! though. The WHO wouldn't just repeat a baldfaced lie.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.

It's !!!!Science!!!! though. The WHO wouldn't just repeat a baldfaced lie.

True. There's just no possible way that both China and the US is telling the truth.

This dang China Death Flu has interrupted our steady, century long, decline in death rate per 100k and, very temporarily, knocked us all the way back to 2006 or so.

Here is deaths per million going back to 1900. In the Terrifying Year of Covid we were much, much, less at risk of death than say, 1968, when we stupidly partied right on though the Hong Kong Flu.

What a nation of dripping sissies. My pal sent me pictures of the hiking trails in West Marin, couples and solo hikers all masked up out on an un-crowded trail, a year into this charade.

Robert Sproul says

This dang China Death Flu has interrupted our steady, century long, decline in death rate per 100k and, very temporarily, knocked us all the way back to 2006 or so.

These comparisons are great.

And those who pat themselves on the back for being the reality based community are the most Chicken Little of all in regards to the recent comparisons.

Robert those are fantastic graphs!

Where did you get them?

ThreeBays says

Do you know you didn't have it already? Have you considered an antibody test?

I don't care. What difference does it make if I've had or am going to have it? There's almost no chance I'll die from it given my age and health. I'll take a case of covid 10 out of 10 times over fracturing my heel like I did last fall. Being sick for 3-10 days isn't that big of a deal. Not being able to move for 3-4 months and having permeant pain is much worse.

I know I'm comparing apples to oranges as well with my heel. But the data says I'll 99.9999% be fine. My own data says I've been fine. The narrative the media spins says I should be dead. At some point I'm not wrong.

I took it seriously in the beginning. Heck, hit the bottom link from one year ago and you can see my comments. I generally question everything, but for the first month I did listen to "guidelines and recommendations" from our government. At some point though you see the bull shit though. I've got a ton of other anecdotal evidence too that health care workers/docs think it's pure shit and that's coming straight from their mouth, not my interpretation.

My whole family had it. My father was sick for 3 weeks (70 years old). My wife was asymptomatic. My daughter was asymptomatic. My son was sick for a day. There is clear data of who this is dangerous to. If they want to stay home and lockdown fine. The rest of society needs to move on.

"What a nation of dripping sissies. My pal sent me pictures of the hiking trails in West Marin, couples and solo hikers all masked up out on an un-crowded trail, a year into this charade."

What's even more ridiculous is that these people that hike solo with a mask have likely already been vaccinated. It's become a religion at this point.

Patrick says

Robert those are fantastic graphs!

Where did you get them?

I have been interested in deaths-per-million numbers as a way to refute propaganda about lock-down vs non-lock-down states and countries.
For example Sweden, despite massive defaming propaganda, has a significantly better death-per-million number than super locked-down countries like Britain. (Largely avoiding the resultant economic damage, which is why the frantic justification of lock-down regimes will never end.) The first chart is a CDC chart that seemed striking so I saved it, the second has no provenance as I just web searched for “historic death per million”.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.

My conclusion from this is that in China hospitals do not get extra pay if someone is classified as dying from/with covid...

mell says

The burden is on you to prove that masks do anything but the obvious harm and you haven't done so, neither has anyone else.

Fauci et al insist that you CAN NOT use manifestly safe medications like Ivermectin (better safety profile than Tylenol) or Hydroxychloroquine without Gold Standard, Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled, Trials (tm) but you CAN institute crippling economic lock-downs and devastating social controls just on the whims and notions of over paid, preening, career bureaucrats and politicians.