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Meh, I don't believe this shit.

Media already desensitized me last year with the fake videos of people in China and Italy collapsing and stuff.

Just another avenue to exploit now that the covid narrative is dying, the number of people chooing to get vaxxed has peak and in rapid decline

I think I read only 25% of the US population got the vax, but they were expecting 60-70% of the pop.

No one gives a shit anymore.

I think it's a last ditch effort to try and get people to vax.



What could be happening are vax side effects though - which wouldn't surprise me.

I found the image here: https://patriots.win/p/12iNLTaX7l/india-vax-jab-correlation-is-not/c/

@joshuatrio
I can't deny what you wrote, there is just too much evil in world... so what caused this.. designer virus or vaxx.
.. But I do know situation is dire in india and "ground" reports are very reliable.

Evil is not just contained to top elites::
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-28/india-covid-surge-sees-oxygen-medicine-sold-on-black-market/100099904

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/india-covid-black-market-cases-b1838476.html
Profits of doom: How India’s black market has thrived on misery during its second wave of Covid
While some paid exorbitant amounts to arrange oxygen and medicines, others fell victim to scams

I would say look for a financial incentive. Maybe a new law pays free government money when reporting cases and deaths as COVID related.

My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.

They want to get rid of a bunch of Indians.

EBGuy says

My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.

Vaccinated people I know are safe even if they got covid. That is the plus with vaccine. I think it matches with what I learnt about these vaccines. This variant is very virulent. If it reaches american shore I will feel sorry for all people who are not vaccinated. it is good thing US is stopping flights to india. This variant is not deadly though. Proper treatment should solve the problem. I dont think we need to go through any lockdown again.

This is a double mutated variant so it is affecting even small kids.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/04/28/hawaii-covid-tourist-death-child/

I would really like to know what variant he had.

indc says

I would really like to know what variant he had.

This still pisses me off, though, as the article points out: the child, who had underlying health conditions, was taken to a hospital and later died.

@indc Thanks for the India report. I appreciate the on the ground reporting from folks with family and friends who are in the thick of it. Good to hear the vaccines are providing some protection.

indc says

EBGuy says

My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.

Vaccinated people I know are safe even if they got covid. That is the plus with vaccine. I think it matches with what I learnt about these vaccines. This variant is very virulent. If it reaches american shore I will feel sorry for all people who are not vaccinated. it is good thing US is stopping flights to india. This variant is not deadly though. Proper treatment should solve the problem. I dont think we need to go through any lockdown again.

This is a double mutated variant so it is affecting even small kids.

That boy had underling health conditions, with those underlying conditions unfortunately any infection incl. the common cold can do you in, but the lamestream media only reports on covid to stoke fear. With regards to India either the lamestream media is flat out lying or vaccinations don't work or a combination of both, otherwise the graph above cannot be explained. It's probably a combo of both. When getting exposed naturally the immune system knows how to deal with variants (T/B cell memory plus antibodies), with vaccination (purely antibody mediated) it's a gamble.

mell says

indc says

EBGuy says

My biggest concern is that India, especially in the denser urban areas, appeared to achieve herd immunity (60%+ seroprevalence) a month or two ago via natural infections. If people are getting reinfected, then I'll be really worried. I've also read reports that vaccinated doctors are getting infected as well.

Vaccinated people I know are safe even if they got covid. That is the plus with vaccine. I think it matches with what I learnt about these vaccines. This variant is very virulent. If it reaches american shore I will feel sorry for all people who are not vaccinated. it is good thing US is stopping flights to india. This variant is not deadly though. Proper treatment should solve the problem. I dont think we need to go through any lockdown again.

This is a double mutated variant so it is affect...

Propaganda can work both ways.
We all know that medical establishment and media sold out and they will do a propaganda to satisfy their masters.

Do You know any family/friends with Indian contacts?
If yes, Do their survey and make your opionon.

I did for US last year and came to conclusion, Nothing to worry about.
I did for India and would be shit scared if there.

Easy questions to ask:
1) How many people you can confirm died of COVID.
2) What were their age and if underlying condition.
3) How many are in hospital.

This will clarify your doubts. My survey has 10+ dead under 50 and many of them with no known condition.
Don't be part of propaganda either way.

I have a few friends but will check in with one or two to see how their relatives in India are doing. What I'm saying is that the vaccinations are not the holy grail, sure if they can do mass vaccinations at large scale let those who want to get it take it, but it's likely more effective and much cheaper and faster to distribute Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and steroids to each household, which they should have done in the US as well. Doing nothing until somebody needs to go to the ER is close to murder, but that's not just in India, the US and any other countries did the same thing, in fact I believe India started using these treatments sooner than the US. They probably discarded them now in favor of the vaccines which they should not do. First distribute treatments for each household and MD office/hospital, then do the vaccinations when they're deemed safe. But not enough profit there, since the medications could just work "too well". They did the same reporting on Italy, Spain etc. Yes it was initially a bad situation, but nothing like mass graves and cremations and desolate hospitals, they were overcrowded like during a bad flu season, and countries like Germany helped out taking patients in. Nobody is saying it's not a real illness, but I would say cleaning up all the environmental pollution would save many more lives in the long term.

mell says

When getting exposed naturally the immune system knows how to deal with variants (T/B cell memory plus antibodies), with vaccination (purely antibody mediated) it's a gamble.

I agree there is, likely, some advantage to natural exposure as the whole corona virus is involved. But the vaccinated should have T/B cell memory as well (just for the spike protein, though, not the entire virus). Or am I missing something?

Cases total | Death per 1MM population
1 USA 33,038,439 1,771
2 India 18,754,925 150

This looks like India is doing better than the US and that site is mostly free from propaganda, it just takes the numbers each country reports. Cases and deaths in India are likely underreported though due to poor infrastructure in certain parts.

mell says

I have a few friends but will check in with one or two to see how their relatives in India are doing. What I'm saying is that the vaccinations are not the holy grail, sure if they can do mass vaccinations at large scale let those who want to get it take it, but it's likely more effective and much cheaper and faster to distribute Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and steroids to each household, which they should have done in the US as well. Doing nothing until somebody needs to go to the ER is close to murder, but that's not just in India, the US and any other countries did the same thing, in fact I believe India started using these treatments sooner than the US. They probably discarded them now in favor of the vaccines which they should not do. First distribute treatments for each household and MD office/hospital, then do the vaccinations when they're deemed safe. But not enough profit there, since the medications could just work "too well". They did the same reporting on Italy, Spain etc. Ye...

India has no infrastructure. People can only be saved if something simple can be done.
All I know is that people are dying in large numbers.

mell says

Cases total | Death per 1MM population
1 USA 33,038,439 1,771
2 India 18,754,925 150

This looks like India is doing better than the US and that site is mostly free from propaganda, it just takes the numbers each country reports. Cases and deaths in India are likely underreported though due to poor infrastructure in certain parts.

This is propaganda to hide lack of infrastructure in India by under counting deaths.
It is not just this government, India is pathetically corrupt nation with Hindooo elites running the show, who give a damn to regular Bhartis.

EBGuy says

mell says

When getting exposed naturally the immune system knows how to deal with variants (T/B cell memory plus antibodies), with vaccination (purely antibody mediated) it's a gamble.

I agree there is, likely, some advantage to natural exposure as the whole corona virus is involved. But the vaccinated should have T/B cell memory as well (just for the spike protein, though, not the entire virus). Or am I missing something?

That's true. But non-spike protein specific B and T cells can recognize many more viral proteins etc.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4

I don't see even the slightest change in the death rate per case in that graph lately.

OK, more people got it in India, and that will happen from time to time, but I don't see any evidence that it's more dangerous than it used to be.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/#deaths-cured-outcome

Patrick says

I don't see even the slightest change in the death rate per case in that graph lately.

OK, more people got it in India, and that will happen from time to time, but I don't see any evidence that it's more dangerous than it used to be.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/#deaths-cured-outcome

You are looking at wrong statistics due to suppression.
https://scroll.in/article/993324/by-hiding-the-real-number-of-covid-19-cases-and-deaths-some-indian-states-are-disempowering-people
By hiding the real number of Covid-19 cases and deaths, some Indian states are disempowering people

The proof will be in pudding. Just wait few days.. Indian politicians will be dragged dead in streets like Gaddafi... The anger is just starting to boil.

mell says

This looks like India is doing better than the US and that site is mostly free from propaganda, it just takes the numbers each country reports

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese
And then...

@patrick
Here is some proof for you to extrapolate. This is happening everywhere.
People dying in villages will never be counted COVID as no tests available and people afraid to go out..as even if positive no oxygen or medical facility available.. Whats the point?
https://www.news18.com/news/india/five-or-137-crematorium-graveyard-data-reveal-a-different-tale-of-covid-19-deaths-in-bhopal-3667898.html

Now this is typical case and you can extrapolate.. Experts lower multiplication factor is 10x.
Five or 137? Crematorium, Graveyard Data Reveal a Different Tale of Covid-19 Deaths in Bhopal
This report has 28x.

The govt may hide but the kin of dead people are preparing the lists of politicians they will drag in streets and were lying to them and stealing money from what is allocated for their health services.
It is great time to clean up dirty Hindoooo politics from Bharat.

https://qz.com/india/2002516/coronavirus-infections-and-deaths-mount-in-rural-india/
Singh looked like a “suspected Covid case”, but the doctor said he had no way to be sure. The centre has inexplicably stopped testing for a month.
....

They had better curry and get vaccinated

@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738

farmer2021 says

@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738

The reason more people are dying can be directly correlated with the vaccination which by far isn't a panacea.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205
Please take some time to read that, even in the US the death rate for those vaccinated catching covid is higher than for the unvaxxed. Btw. this was a well known problem, but they pushed for mass vaccinations anyways, because profit.

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Pay attention to this paper folks and note its publication date, January 2021. Nobody has paid any attention to it at all yet it is peer-reviewed in Nature, one of the "better" medical publications. I will start right here with what you do not want to read, but you damn well should before you take the shots.

This T cell-mediated immune response is even more important as studies on humoral immunity to SARS-CoV-1 provided evidence that antibody responses are short-lived and can even cause or aggravate virus-associated lung pathology

Note that when you get the shot the first thing you get is antibodies; you may get a T-cell reaction. This pre-existing knowledge, from SARS (CoV-1) entirely explains why people who just got vaccinated often get hammered by the virus and frequently end up in the hospital or die. It marks the premise of attempting to vaccinate out of a pandemic where transmission is actively occurring as stupid.

You go get the shot. Five days later you get the virus. You have not yet developed immunity and the partial expression makes it worse.

You would have been better off, by far, taking the same infection straight up front. It likely would have harmed you less.

This generally applies, by the way, to all vaccines and all viruses. The government and researchers know this. They've known this for decades. It's fact. It's why you don't wait until the measles is raging around you to get a measles vaccine and the same is true for the flu shot; you get it before the flu season starts for this very reason. Attempting to vaccinate out of a raging infection does not work and in fact kills people.

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Its the vaccine companies final push. Clueless doctors are making the situation worse by prescribing antibiotics etc to weaken immune system further if anyone happens to see them.

mell says

farmer2021 says

@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738

The reason more people are dying can be directly correlated direct with the vaccination which by far isn't a panacea.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205
Please take some time to read that, even in the US the death rate for those vaccinated catching covid is higher than for the unvaxxed. Btw. this was a well known problem, but they pushed for mass vaccinations anyways, because profit.

I really don't have any trust on anyone or the real cause.
There is not whole lot we can do to resist vaccination unless the medical experts basically speak up and be ready to give life for cause like Galileo.

I have definate proof that significant number of people are dying.
It may reach 100k a day soon..probably already in 30-40k range if not more.

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1387277899200356353
Crematoriums expand and operate round the clock as India faces thousands of daily Covid deaths

Chinese propaganda. Remember the epicenter of the WuFlu claims 5000 deaths since the outbreak began over a year ago.

Never trust Congresscuck propaganda.

farmer2021 says

mell says

farmer2021 says

@patrick
This is informative thread and matches the experience of family friends.
Mind it , This is so called silicon valley or rather IT sweat shop of western elites. Things are dire in other places.
https://twitter.com/athishravikanth/status/1387934663772020738

The reason more people are dying can be directly correlated direct with the vaccination which by far isn't a panacea.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205
Please take some time to read that, even in the US the death rate for those vaccinated catching covid is higher than for the unvaxxed. Btw. this was a well known prob...

Over 12 months that comes to about 36 million.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Chinese propaganda. Remember the epicenter of the WuFlu claims 5000 deaths since the outbreak began over a year ago.

Never trust Congresscuck propaganda.

Can you explain what you mean?
Are you saying people in India are not dying or about the other factors?

I think lot more people died in China than reported. Most notorious nation.

farmer2021 says

unless the medical experts basically speak up and be ready to give life for cause like Galileo

For every Galileo there are thousands of spineless cowards.

mell says

Attempting to vaccinate out of a raging infection does not work and in fact kills people.

Now you tell me; I just got my second jab.

Patrick says

farmer2021 says

unless the medical experts basically speak up and be ready to give life for cause like Galileo

For every Galileo there are thousands of spineless cowards.

So what can we do.
You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.
Do we have solution?
Tomorrow health insurance won't cover if you are not vaccinated or other social barriers.

We already know that Cuomo fudged data on deaths and nothing happened to him.
This head of state in India is saying same, that he don't give damn about reporting death count.
https://twitter.com/BrutIndia/status/1387379461474209792

Forget "medical professionals", This Trump guy folded like a cheap chair after pumping up people to get "felony" charges.
Spineless leadership is big problem.

farmer2021 says

You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.

Refuse to accept this! Protest! Make them send you to jail for non-compliance! Fuck the slavers! Freedom and justice or they can suck a fat dick!

Speaking of which, I got the templates for the vaccine cards. Anyone have a link to card stock in 3x4”?

Shaman says

farmer2021 says

You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.

Refuse to accept this! Protest! Make them send you to jail for non-compliance! Fuck the slavers! Freedom and justice or they can suck a fat dick!

I'm with Shaman.

Shaman says

farmer2021 says

You won't be allowed to live your life unless vaccinated.

Refuse to accept this! Protest! Make them send you to jail for non-compliance! Fuck the slavers! Freedom and justice or they can suck a fat dick!

Does your spouse agrees with you?
Does your kid agrees with you?
Do You have a scientific proof and some scientific minds willing to argue on your behalf and go to jail with you?
Does human stock still have brave people?

It is not easy to go against system. Eventually it will happen(like happening in India now).. But modern elites are very tricky and hide their cruelty and control under very well curated isms.

farmer2021 says

mell says

I have a few friends but will check in with one or two to see how their relatives in India are doing. What I'm saying is that the vaccinations are not the holy grail, sure if they can do mass vaccinations at large scale let those who want to get it take it, but it's likely more effective and much cheaper and faster to distribute Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and steroids to each household, which they should have done in the US as well. Doing nothing until somebody needs to go to the ER is close to murder, but that's not just in India, the US and any other countries did the same thing, in fact I believe India started using these treatments sooner than the US. They probably discarded them now in favor of the vaccines which they should not do. First distribute treatments for each household and MD office/hospital, then do the vaccinations when they're deemed safe. But not enough profit there, since the medication...

I think you're full of shit. No one is buying this BS narrative again.

EBGuy says

mell says

Attempting to vaccinate out of a raging infection does not work and in fact kills people.

Now you tell me; I just got my second jab.

This has been known and is true for any vaccine. However if you haven't gotten sick yet you likely didn't catch it and the vaccine is starting to work for you. So have a cold beer and salut!