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2021 May 8, 10:32pm   3,009 views  31 comments

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1   Patrick   2021 May 9, 12:03am  

That seems like an unusually high number. How many faculty member are there? There are about 18,000 students.

Interesting image on that page:


2   Karloff   2021 May 9, 9:28am  

I've been keeping a bit of an eye on this one as well, but I don't have enough information to come to a conclusion yet. Is it really a different strain that happens to be more deadly? Is it more deadly there due to some set of ideal conditions for the virus, in some way opposite to how Haiti seemed mostly unaffected?

Short of the standard information-devoid, panic-pushing articles you see from most media, I haven't found anything scientific detailing it. Perhaps it's just too early to tell.
3   mell   2021 May 9, 9:46am  

Well according to "experts" the India strain is already in the US and the CA strain was/is serious. So if nothing changes here you can assume it's bs. I still think environment issues aggravate the situation gravely. Haiti may be poor but they're not unsanitary or have a lot of environmental pollution, their air and water is likely relatively clean.
4   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 9:52am  

So we can't get back to normal until we have eradicated the cold?

Fuck the bullshit. If you're vulnerable, stay home. If you're scared, wear a mask. If you think it will help YOU, take the jab.

Let the rest of us live.
5   mell   2021 May 9, 10:02am  

Haiti actually does not vaccinate against Covid at all. Maybe if you're rich and want it you can get it privately, but government does not vaccinate. So I assume less than 5% are vaccinated in Haiti and that that will not change.
7   Karloff   2021 May 9, 10:35am  

One claim I've heard, no hard evidence to back it up:

India was treating with Ivermectin and then stopped when the vaccine became available and focused all efforts toward that. Also that it was banned(?) when vaccine became available, and is now starting to be used again when deaths started ramping up and that within about 2 weeks you'd see that dropping off again.


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8   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 10:41am  

farmer2021 says

This problem is that if it is indeed deadly , You can no longer claim freedom of movement as individual right.

More deadly than a heart attack? More deadly than driving a car?

Should we cancel electricity because someone might get shocked?
9   Patrick   2021 May 9, 11:50am  

Karloff says
India was treating with Ivermectin and then stopped when the vaccine became available and focused all efforts toward that. Also that it was banned(?) when vaccine became available, and is now starting to be used again when deaths started ramping up and that within about 2 weeks you'd see that dropping off again.


I've read this too.

It seems to fit well with Peru's experience of using Ivermectin:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/



But Ivermectin is not profitable because it's nearly free.
10   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2021 May 9, 6:40pm  

ThreeBays says
There was a report with an Indian crematorium owner who said 50 of his neighbors had died. Anecdotal, but it certainly sounds very different from what we've experienced.


We had a flood of news stories about bodies stacked and overflowing in NYC and elsewhere, run by the mainstream US media.

I retain the right to reserve judgement on this.
11   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2021 May 9, 6:41pm  

farmer2021 says
Another sad discussion with a Indian guy with all his parent generation lives in INDIA.
So many died as he literally counted like flies perishing.

Guys keep your "distrust of authorities" as You should as they are in evil hands, But still be careful with this Indian mutation.
If this is engineered virus, we may be in uncharted territory.


It’s also a nation where people crap in the street.

Let’s wait and see.
12   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 6:46pm  

farmer2021 says
Sure when it snows you need chains or traffic is blocked.
Also you change food habits to reduce cardiac risk.
It is all about probabilities and tradeoffs.

I was being a bit hyperbolic, but that's what libertarian catastriphists like me do.
13   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 6:47pm  

We're always looking for slippery slopes to warn people about.
14   Patrick   2021 May 9, 10:49pm  

http://www.irishsavant.net/?p=547

The amount of disinformation and misinformation on India’s “Covid crisis” is now so vast that it’s hard to know where to begin to untangle the web of deceit and lies. ‘The Guardian’ on the 3rd May 2021. The article in question was headlined “Covering India’s Covid crisis: ‘Hundreds of journalists have lost their lives’”. This is a blatant lie. The current situation unfolding in India is actually only affecting two places in particular, Delhi and Mumbai. So this is far from almost everyone in the country, a grand total of 1.4 billion people. But the main “area of concern” is currently Delhi. Step outside of these two areas and you’ll find that the rest of India is carrying on as normal.

But the propaganda doesn’t end there. Later on in the article ‘The Guardian’ ask their South Asia correspondent ‘What needs to happen now in order for the crisis to abate?’ Here’s the answer that was given – “The only thing that is going to get us out of this crisis is vamping up vaccine production and distribution.” Prior to the Covid Vaccine roll-out the Indian Government had been treating the citizens of India with Ivermectin. . India began using Ivermectin late August 2020, and as you can see from the graph [in the link below] it had great success in reducing the number of daily deaths attributed to Covid-19.

However for some strange reason they switched tack in January to the experimental Covid vaccines, but didn’t really get going with the vaccine roll-out until the end of February. Fast forward two weeks and the deaths attributed to Covid-19, which had almost flat lined suddenly started to rise at an unexplained and exponential rate compared to the rate previously seen in India.
15   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 9:38am  

Variants is a bigger load of Bullshit, than the Virus itself.

First off all they do is RNA tests to determine if the deceased had Corona or not, the last I checked the RNA test doesn't conclude it was indeed Corna virus 100% let alone what fucking Commie Strain.
16   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 10:22am  

Biden is killing the millions in India, they flourished and brushed Covid off under Trump.
The Commie Cabal with Biden demands they get with the program or get in the back of the line.
You wanna come to the Biden America with open borders, and foreign workers get fast tracked ahead of Tax paying Americans. Then you better get your fucking pillows out, roll up your sleeves and start snuffing out Elderly patients in your medical and Senior facilities. It's easy to do, furlough all of the competent straight shooting nurses and Doctors home. Hire only Satanic Humanity loathing Leftist Commies, kill anyone that steps foot in the Hospital, all of the honest staff are unemployed and not there to blow the whistle. And to combat boredom, for not having any viable patients they didn't snuff out in the middle of the night, make many Tic Toc videos with the complete hospital staff dancing. I think it's a confirmation video, so they get bonuses from CDC and WHO and the Biden Satanic Covent.

The Corona virus recovery rate for those that don't go to the hospital is 100%.

Once you go, you never come back.
17   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 10:58am  

farmer2021 says
You paint a very dark present and future.
Hope we can do better. There are 10s of millions of Americans who “care for country and citizens”.
They will save the day for us.


Tens of millions had their votes flipped for a Communist regime hostile take over.
You're damn right we'll save the day, we're working around the clock to bring it all to light. That is why the Satanic Communist Cabal are livid trying to stop it. They thought by smearing everyone as a dissident and turning the FBI and DOJ on the American citizens would just shut us up, like other countries with a meek society with no balls. Just rolls over and lets the Commies fuck them all up the Ass.

It's not happening here, so keep the confidence that we will keep the pressure up, to expose them and send them all back to the bowels of Hell.

This is America, and if you don't know what it's about. It's not a fucking Geographic location. It's self determined people that refuse to bend and relent to tyranny and low IQ scumbags, that think they can just take what Americans have created, by getting a stamp on a piece of paper, and street address in some choice zipcode.

It's much harder work than that to be an American.
18   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 11:03am  

Even the India you describe a Hindu hospital would kill people not Hindu.
And the Sikhs would kill Hindus and Muslims.
Just blame it on Covid and wait for the CDC check to clear.
19   porkchopXpress   2021 May 10, 11:52am  

What if all these people dying in India is part of the Elites' depopulation agenda? I bet they're just killing off the unhealthy, elderly and poor who are a "suck on society".
20   Booger   2021 May 10, 1:18pm  

Putting India's Death Rate into Perspective

The corporate media fearmongers are claiming there are 120 COVID deaths per hour in India.

Let's put things into perspective, shall we?

120 COVID deaths/hour x 24 hours x 365 days = 1,051,200 Indian COVID deaths a year.

India has the second highest population in the world at 1,391,000,000.

1,051,200 / 1,391,000,000 100 = 0.0756% of the Indian population dead with COVID in a year.

And that's allegedly the highest death rate right now.

The USA has a population of 332,000,000 and claims to have had over 500,000 COVID deaths in a year.

Just think of how many US citizens would be DEAD with a death rate like that of India!!!

332,000,000
0.0756% = 250,992 USA COVID deaths a year.

Wait a second, that means the highest death rate in India isn't even half as bad as the average USA death rate in a year...
21   WookieMan   2021 May 10, 1:31pm  

Booger says
Wait a second, that means the highest death rate in India isn't even half as bad as the average USA death rate in a year...

Math doesn't exist anymore. 1M dying in a country of 1.4B is a massive nothing burger. The land mass itself is large, but not for the population. So yeah, it's going to be more grizzly looking than the US, where much of the country is rural. If we all lived East of the Mississippi our situation could be worse. We don't.

It's pure hype. And IF the Indians dying are actually dying of covid, that sucks. But the numbers on paper are super low. The narrative is the problem. It's meant to scare you, us, or anyone.
22   Onvacation   2021 May 10, 2:50pm  

farmer2021 says
125 people died in just 2 villages bordering North Lucknow due to COVID. There is Neither test, nor medicine

If there's no test how do they know it's the Wuhan?
23   Onvacation   2021 May 10, 9:30pm  

Perhaps our homeless camps will be the next victims of the Indian variant of the Wuhan.
24   MMR   2021 May 10, 10:02pm  

WookieMan says
If we all lived East of the Mississippi our situation could be worse. We don't.


LA county is more dense than NJ and more so if you don’t consider the mountains where few people live and greatly outperformed both NJ and NY

85% of Sweden 10.2 million population lives on only 3% of the landmass; they have also greatly outperformed the worst hit parts of the US and most of the places in the EU that employed lockdowns.

San Francisco is pretty dense and didn’t get hit as hard as any place from the Northeast or mid-Atlantic. Not


There may be a relationship between population density and case rate but not a very strong one.
25   Patrick   2021 May 10, 10:03pm  

It looks like the virus in India may have peaked already:



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/#graph-deaths-daily
26   Onvacation   2021 May 10, 10:44pm  

Maybe the jab gives you covid?
27   komputodo   2021 May 10, 11:36pm  

farmer2021 says
I am open to "change of mind" if the proof to contrary , But suggest exercise caution.

Should I go into lockdown and wear triples masks? Or maybe get double dosages of the vaccine?
28   komputodo   2021 May 11, 2:48pm  

farmer2021 says
Trust your guts and exercise your freedom of choice with giving chance for others to do so too.

Thats how I roll......too bad the msm doesn't agree with you.
29   Patrick   2021 May 11, 5:49pm  

farmer2021 says
If some Sikh guys regularly rob the store , I would still hate to see "No Sikhs allowed" sign on the window.


So you are saying that we should judge people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin?

Such talk can get you fired or even jailed these days.

farmer2021 says
Can the store put "No mask, No entry" signs..or is it curtailing freedom of healthy people against mask?




If you're gay, a private business can be forced to bake you a wedding cake.

But if you're healthy, the business cannot be forced to let you enter without a mask.

Something is very wrong with this.
30   komputodo   2021 May 11, 9:04pm  

farmer2021 says
This "racism" business is cooked by CCP

Now you are saying that this whole BLM and reparations and looting and fighting in the airports is a creation of the chinaman communist party? WOW
31   Patrick   2021 May 11, 9:11pm  

komputodo says
farmer2021 says
This "racism" business is cooked by CCP

Now you are saying that this whole BLM and reparations and looting and fighting in the airports is a creation of the chinaman communist party? WOW


I'm pretty certain that it is funded and encouraged by the CCP.

The more we fight with each other, the less we talk about what China is doing with help from our treasonous elite, people like Bezos and Gates.

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