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MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

farmer2021 says

It doesn't matter how many divisions you get.
You need unifying force like "Khalsa" which treats everyone equal.

No. No more universal BS. Real diversity.

farmer2021 says

Howz it working for separated Jews/Palestinians?

The answer is more separation. In fact, if all the UN did was consider Palestinians to be Refugees like every other Refugee group, it would have been over 40 years ago. The problem is that Palestinians are NOT treated like Hutus, Tutsi, or Bosnians, but a special class of permanent refugees no matter how much property, jobs, or citizenship/residencies they have all over the world from Lebanon to London to Detroit and Abu Dhabi.

The moment any refugee gets a job and a green card/equivalent anywhere else, they are taken off the refugee rolls. But unl...

Not really. You can cause division and unity anywhere.
Red/Blue state segregation is great divisive tactic in US.

Give more chance to divisive forces there will be demand like Quebec for every ethnicity.
I prefer my country to be “United States” with federal structure continually enforced.

farmer2021 says

Not really. You can cause division and unity anywhere.
Red/Blue state segregation is great divisive tactic in US.

Give more chance to divisive forces there will be demand like Quebec for every ethnicity.
I prefer my country to be “United States” with federal structure continually enforced.

I'd say let a 1000 flowers bloom. And all power to the Quebecois for telling Ottowa to shove non-Francophone immigrants up their Toronto.

Thank goodness for DeSantis and the remaining vestiges of State's Rights.

I'm off to Publix maskless to get my Italian Sub with extra black olives.

BACK TO THE OP: It was a Mostly Peaceful Airstrike. I'm sure both organizations have property insurance..



Pace rings a bell with me... stand by.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

farmer2021 says

Not really. You can cause division and unity anywhere.
Red/Blue state segregation is great divisive tactic in US.

Give more chance to divisive forces there will be demand like Quebec for every ethnicity.
I prefer my country to be “United States” with federal structure continually enforced.

I'd say let a 1000 flowers bloom. And all power to the Quebecois for telling Ottowa to shove non-Francophone immigrants up their Toronto.

Thank goodness for DeSantis and the remaining vestiges of State's Rights.

I'm off to Publix maskless to get my Italian Sub with extra black olives.

That is asking for Anarchy.
CCP will love this thinking. They already love dealing with tiny African states or Bharat's neighbors.

Let China/Russia break first and dispose of their nuclear arsenal. After that we can think about US.
On the other hand I am with you on look out for improving "states's sovereignty" as much as it is practically possible to strengthen federal structure.

Also I do support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_3

This is too much:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias

There's a bit of an "Israeli mafia" of immigrants from there in Silicon Valley. I've crossed with lots of these folks over the years. Every one of them is a veteran of the IDF, including the women. Many of them are brilliant, talented, and (deservedly, by merit) land in leadership roles.

I've seen these folks work hand in hand, side by side with Muslim immigrants, including Arabs, and even including an occasional Palestinian. You guys will freak at the banality of it.

I would encourage you guys who think you know so much about that conflict to travel there as I did in the 1990's, independently. Criss-cross the border like I did, in a sherut full of Arabs, in taxis, on one of the Egged (Israeli) buses that connects settlements to Jerusalem. Meet and talk with people on both sides of the conflict as I did, and then come back here to share your views.

Everybody who has been there knows that most Palestinians are fine with Israel, but because of the (Can't Remember the Damn Name, starts with H?) Effect, they can't say shit.

The PLO and Hamas is a mafia that executes dissenters, and the "Human Rights Activists" studiously ignore the mysterious disappearances, tortures, and deaths of any Palestinian who speaks out about corruption.



There are dozens of people in Ramallah Prisons right now for daring to protest PLO Corruption. All Israeli Agents, of course.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Everybody who has been there knows that most Palestinians are fine with Israel, but because of the (Can't Remember the Damn Name, starts with H?) Effect, they can't say shit.

The PLO and Hamas is a mafia that executes dissenters, and the "Human Rights Activists" studiously ignore the mysterious disappearances, tortures, and deaths of any Palestinian who speaks out about corruption.

There are dozens of people in Ramallah Prisons right now for daring to protest PLO Corruption. All Israeli Agents, of course.

I have worked with both. People are always fine.. We have same flesh and bones.
Here is the guy exposing Hamas and UN conflict wanters are not visible happy at truth.
Netanyahu is also using conflict to keep his corrupt ass attached to chair.
https://twitter.com/Dhee_Warrior/status/1393514451433840643

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBq5IH-pGvk

"You Armenian Ancient Apostolic Church of the Assyrians in Antioch Antinominan dogs! You failed to genuflect three times facing the North north west and hold the forth bow for 5 seconds. Also, you obey the Patriarch Theophanes XXXIV of Aleppo instead of the Patriarch Metaxes XXIII of Amavir! We of the Ancient Church of the Assyrian Antiochene Apostles hold the correct line! By the blood of Saint Agnes of the Amazing Astonishing Apparition, and in the name of our 500 monks, 5 bishops, 15 priests, 30 deacons, and 12 actual lay members none of whom is younger than 60, accept the 1256 Council of Edessa Doctrine and the Bull of the Patriarch of Cyprus of 1532 and REPENT! Forgot not the truth of the Perfect Pulverization of the Pentateuch as Postulated in Pergamum! You even deny the Ascension of Severus IX to the Patriarchate instead of John XXXIII, you Nestorian Bastard! I bet your mothers never honored Chrysostum of the Cross and that you can't read the Septuagent in Koine Greek, either!"

Seriously, the Eastern Churches are living proof Protestantism isn't necessary for sectarianism...

Patrick says

you see the "Blessings of Diversity" in Muslim Colonized France and Sweden, whereas 30-40 years ago before the influx, there were none of the hue problems they have now.

I think France's problems are partly rooted in their Imperial past. Algeria, central Africa, etc.

But not Sweden. Sheesh. Their problems are not a legacy from previous generations. They've brought it onto themselves.

B.A.C.A.H. says

I would encourage you guys who think you know so much about that conflict to travel there as I did in the 1990's, independently. Criss-cross the border like I did, in a sherut full of Arabs

I travelled in Israel and Egypt in the 80's. I found the Israelis to be crusty (OK, a lot of them are jerks, or do a convincing imitation thereof) but they were no threat to me.

I found the Muslim Palestinians to be bipolar: either you are their best friend ever, or they literally want to kill you and dance in your blood.

The Christian Palestinians (are there any left over there?) seemed much more Western and easy to get along with, though very clannish.

Sure, I'm overgeneralizing, but I really believe that there are some huge cultural differences between Israelis and Palestinians. I can't really see them getting along, ever.

Can we send a cruise missile to Reuters while we’re at it?

Tenpoundbass says

The Guardian is a rag that is well known to have fabricated every story they ever wrote about President Donald J. Trump. Do you have a valid form of proof?

Yes, the Guardian is a rag, but what I said is correct, the Al-Aqsa Mosque was attacked prior to this current violence and I just did a google search to find a source for it. I knew about it before the last current, stupid, war.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Palestinians are fucked, they ought to just accept it.

I think they fucked themselves to a large degree with their deliberate murders of random unarmed civilians, over and over and over.

Israel is no different. You're tricking yourself to argue about this based on moral righteousness.

I have said, multiple time, that the the goal of Israel is to take the entire West Bank over, and to eventually retake Gaza and there is ZERO attempt to have a two state solution. You'll see I'm correct in time. Israel will never stop expanding until they collapse. The Palestinians have no way to negotiate with Israel. Israel is a stronger militarily and has the backing of the United States, there is no attempt by Israel to come to a peaceful solution, they will take over the entire area, and are likely to expand into the Golan after that, and who knows where after that.

It's worse than that. The "Journalists" know Damn Well what they building they're "sharing" is being used for.

This is from 2014, Al-Arabiya network reporter jokes about a missile LAUNCH from the Gaza Office building she works in.

Human Shield crap.

Semites, never change your love of bargaining.

Owner of Office Building blasted the other day tries to get 10 more minutes to grab equipment from the building with the IDF.

Here is the English Translation. It's 2009, not 2014.

Al-Arabiya KNEW they were launching rockets from the building they were broadcasting from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPDZYmcyzqA

Later that day, they were all "Bi la kaffeh, woe to us suffering Muslims, the Monkeys and Pigs attacked our innocent broadcasting office where we dindu nuttin'"

That's hilarious actually.

The Palestinians can move to any Arab country(s) the Israel can pay for their well settlements. The UN is the one who created a narrative that they're permanent victims and refugees. The f. UN is a terrorist organization that should be shutdown.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Yes. Big difference in taking Western Europeans across the Ocean and having them center a "White" identity around Anglo-Saxon Culture, and trying to force minorities in their indigenous location to be part of a larger country that has traditionally warred with them.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think the unifying force of the United States has always been a distrust of authority and a hatred of corruption, which is why I'm so appalled by the amount of propaganda that exists in the United States today, and how much utter and blatant corruption exists in our government.

Blue says

The Palestinians can move to any Arab country(s) the Israel can pay for their well settlements.

No they can't. Palestinians do not get citizenship in any neighboring Arab nation. Not Egypt, not Jordan, not Lebanon, not Syria.

Always been too lazy to look into the Isreal/Palestine conflict. Frankly... because who gives a shit? I have a somewhat basic understanding. But we're likely selling weapons to both sides or at least know that weapons we sell with end up there. We're talking about a postage stamp of land because of fictional characters (religion) on both sides. Who cares. They're always going to be killing each other for the foreseeable future.

When the fight is basically originated from fictional characters, neither side will ever win. Islam is toxic, but I'm of the opinion all religion is, even it can be argued one is less evil than the other. I'm all for staying out of others affairs (Libertarian) but at some point we need to just call a spade a spade. Religion is toxic. The conflict is basically about real estate, but it gets spun into religion and oppression. Nothing will ever truly get solved when you're not based in reality.

WookieMan says

Always been too lazy to look into the Isreal/Palestine conflict. Frankly... because who gives a shit?

What is happening now, is what I have always thought would happen. They would both cash a check their ass can't cash.
The conflict is escalating, and there aren't any nations willing to jump in and make a proxy war out of it.
I think it's way past time, they work out their conflict. I say let them duke it out, until the Citizens decide, they can get along with each other. But they can do without the leadership on both sides.

I'm just glad the UN Is irrelevant, and their conflict isn't the most important topic in world news and pollical agenda.

But if I were a gambling man, my money will be on the IDF.

Earlier in this post it was reported by the Guardian, that a couple Israelis, attacked a mosque on Ramadan, so the Commies over there at that rag, believes it justifies, the Palestinian mutts then have the right to rain hundreds of rockets on down on innocent civilians. Rather than figuring out who attacked the Mosque and dealing with them.
They are pure cowards, the world could do with out. After going on 6 years now with ANTIFA and BLM murdering, and burning down Cities, every time a cop in a "Democrat" stronghold City kills an armed fleeing black suspect.

I'm fucking fed up with the SJW shit, and damn sure have no tolerance for anyone that responds to being wrongs by a skin tone, or culture, so they take it out on everyone.

May this shit end once and for all, and may the AP executive board all hang by their necks for aiding and abeding it.

Patrick says

I travelled in Israel and Egypt in the 80's.

Thank you for sharing.

Tenpoundbass says

Earlier in this post it was reported by the Guardian, that a couple Israelis, attacked a mosque on Ramadan, so the Commies over there at that rag, believes it justifies, the Palestinian mutts then have the right to rain hundreds of rockets on down on innocent civilians.

You're over-estimating the number of rockets that the Palestinians have or use.

All the rockets do is give Israel carte blanche to fuck up Gaza which is what the Israeli government is constantly itching to do anyhow. I always ask "qui bono?"

The rockets from Gaza are just pathetic, pointless shows of resistance - maybe. There's no logical reason to make use of them if the government of Gaza really is working on the behalf of the people of Gaza, which I doubt.

Hamas used to be a sort of decent organization - they used to build schools when Fatah did nothing. Whoever is in power, is always useless, and never works on behalf of their constituents. It's true everywhere. Our government says that it's too expensive to build a wall between Mexico and the United States, but spending $700 billion on a war over nothing, with no mission or goal? Well, no problem funding that!

Biden gave the terrorist group Hamas $235 million dollars.

What did he think was going to happen.

Hamas looked for any reason to act as terrorists.

Trump cut the funding to Hamas, and without coin they were forced to be peaceful.

Thanks, Joe ! ! !

richwicks says

You're over-estimating the number of rockets that the Palestinians have or use.

The Israeli military says 1,600 rockets have been fired by Hamas, the biggest test for the Iron Dome, which works by firing its own projectiles to destroy the incoming rockets before they land.

The system can track only so many rockets at once. Despite the intensity of the latest barrage, the system appears to have held up.

The Associated Press reported that 400 rockets fell short and landed in Gaza, leaving Israel 1,200 to intercept.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-iron-dome-blocks-90-percent-rockets-hamas-gaza-2021-5?op=1

Of course, it's not a "Human Rights Violation" to have 400 fall back into Gaza.

Seriously, what country, besides maybe Sweden or Biden's America, would allow 1200 projectiles to be fired into it?

richwicks says

Blue says

The Palestinians can move to any Arab country(s) the Israel can pay for their well settlements.

No they can't. Palestinians do not get citizenship in any neighboring Arab nation. Not Egypt, not Jordan, not Lebanon, not Syria.

Partially US, EU and all Arab world are the real reasons behind the existence of Palestine to counter Israel. No Arab country likes them to give citizenship.

I always like to say that the Palestinians should simply convert to Judaism.

Voila, they can then become citizens of Israel, lol.

Patrick says

I always like to say that the Palestinians should simply convert to Judaism.

Voila, they can then become citizens of Israel, lol.

Israel doesn't recognize converts to Judaism. You have to be born into it. You're only considered Jewish if your maternal grandmother was Jewish.

They are a race for all intensive purposes inheriting it through the maternal bloodline.

There is no solution for the Palestinians. They cannot migrate away and become citizens of the neighboring countries, and they cannot integrate into the Israeli population, even if they are willing. They're fucked.

richwicks says

You're only considered Jewish if your paternal grandmother was Jewish.

It's maternal grandmother. Maternal.

You are factually, verifiably incorrect here. Twice in a single sentence. Israel does accept converts in addition to recognizing descendants from maternal bloodline. This was tested in 1980 in a case which made it to Israeli Supreme Court.

As to how willing they are, you should know that Israeli Arabs, proper Israeli citizens, celebrated rockets that landed in their own streets. They cheered and gave away candy, as it is customary to do during holidays. I'll repeat: In. Their. Own. Streets. Gave away candy, like they traditionally do during holidays. If you didn't hear about this then you should expand on your sources. If you did but didn't mention it here and didn't incorporate in your worldview then there's another problem (I won't go into it for now).

mostly reader says

It's maternal grandmother. Maternal.

You're correct and I did make that mistake. I corrected it. That was a typo by the way, but it's embarrassing.

mostly reader says

You are factually, verifiably incorrect here. Twice in a single sentence. Israel does accept converts in addition to recognizing descendants from maternal bloodline. This was tested in 1980 in a case which made it to Israeli Supreme Court.

Oh? Who were the people. Name them by name.

I hear claims like this ALL THE TIME. Prove what you said is correct. What was the case, and who were the plaintiffs?

richwicks says

I hear claims like this ALL THE TIME. Prove what you said is correct. What was the case, and who were the plaintiffs?

Miller vs. Minister of Interior. Source: http://www.etd.ceu.hu/2012/pransky_tiffany.pdf I was slightly off with my dates, it was 1986 (not 1980)

It wasn't even what I thought it was, a case of conversion to Orthodox Judaism. The entire case had to be filed because she was a Reform convert, not an Orthodox. I learned something new. Were she an Orthodox convert, the issue wouldn't even be there.

Other cases at that link give good idea about how the law treats all these situations - conversion, marriage, descendants, territories, what not.

Couple of cases here: https://cadmus.eui.eu/bitstream/handle/1814/56024/RSCAS_GLOBALCIT_CR_2018_02.pdf Not all of them with happy ending because the law is quite consistent. Someone who converted to Judaism is a Jew even if they weren't by birth, but someone who converted away from Judaism is no longer a Jew even if they were by birth.

Of the more recent new, this one tuckles a niche situation: converts within Israel, in which petitioners - Reform and Masorti movements - were the ones performing the conversion. Many links because it happened in the era of internet, here is one: https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-to-recognize-reform-conservative-conversion-for-law-of-return-660592 , there are many more. The court said that those converts are Jews.

Here's my question to you. While court cases with names and dates aren't readily available, their summaries are. 2-min search gives you tons of links on converts and how Israeli law treats them. Those summaries are mostly fully consistent with the more precise sources which I've offered above. You pressed me for hard data (names and cases), which costed me some time that I could've spent better. Why?

I can imagine two explanations for that.
1. You have a reason to doubt the summaries. Such as you personally know someone who converted and wanted to move to Israel, but Israel said "no". Or something else of similar nature.
2. Your strategy is to make a BS claim and to wear down the opponent by demanding that every little detail in rebuttal is verified or else it doesn't count.

This is a question of credibility. Your credibility.

What do you say?

Hamas: "Gee, let's do something really smart and lob a bunch of missiles at Israel." "Gollee, that's SO SMART, i wish I'd thought of it."

Paving the road for the Neocon war with Iran? Is Hamas on the neocon payroll?

Ceffer says

Hamas: "Gee, let's do something really smart and lob a bunch of missiles at Israel." "Gollee, that's SO SMART, i wish I'd thought of it."

I think it's necessary for Hamas fundraising. If they never attack Israel, they lose legitimacy with their supporters.

It's similar to how I felt about ISIS sawing people's head off on video and distributing that. I thought "Boy, that is really stupid if you want public support." But then someone pointed out to me that I am not their audience. Violently insane Muslims are their audience, and they watch that stuff like porn, and donate more when they get more of it.

Frenemy terrorism? "Hey, without you, our sanctimonious posturing would be useless. The WorldFucks keep pumping billions into us as long as we keep going at it."

Patrick says

I always like to say that the Palestinians should simply convert to Judaism.

Voila, they can then become citizens of Israel, lol.

One problem with my tongue-in-cheek solution there: other Muslim Palestinians would instantly murder any Muslim who converts to Judaism. Islam demands the murder of all those who renounce Islam.

I believe Islam is the only religion which still murders those who try to leave the religion. Christianity was like that in the middle ages, but eventually came around to the fact that Jesus never did or advocated such a thing, unlike Mohammed, who murdered lots of people. Example: https://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Enemies/asma.html

It appears that ALL religions murder lots of people when given the opportunity. Gotta kill anybody who doesn't support your tribal mishmash of hierarchal God Vision.

Israeli government the protector of the homeland? They have been a thousand percent on board with Globalist Covid tyranny and vaccine terror agains their own people. It seems that a few Israelis have been going to the world courts for recourse.