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Thanks, that's an interesting idea.

The Confederate flag is also a pride flag.

They actually can’t according to law. Government only allowed to have city, state or federal flags.

Fortwaynemobile says

They actually can’t according to law. Government only allowed to have city, state or federal flags.

@Fortwaynemobile Thanks! Got any link about that?

Patrick says

Fortwaynemobile says

They actually can’t according to law. Government only allowed to have city, state or federal flags.

@Fortwaynemobile Thanks! Got any link about that?

No, however this was reason LA city council had to remove pride flag. Someone put it up, and it was removed for that reason.

It was la times article

I can't find a link about that right off. Let me know if you find one.

Found this excellent op-ed letter though:

To the editor — Just a simple request.

As I did my walk downtown today, I noticed the LGBT pride flag at our City Hall. The flag was attached to the same pole as our Stars and Stripes. I am sure that a segment from our city made this request for flying their flag on the same pole. I am making a request to remove it and hang it on a pole separate from our flag. I am making this request on behalf of my comrades who gave their lives for our freedoms. Their coffins were draped with the flag, this flag is sacred to me and to many others. The county has the POW/MIA flag on the same pole remembering the prisoners of war and the missing in action.

JOHN VAN BELLE

Yakima

https://www.yakimaherald.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/letter-pride-flag-should-be-separate-from-sacred-u-s-flag/article_7e0e332b-2c5e-5d3f-975e-db4ebce07a73.html

Wow, Pat, you must have a lot of cash saved up. Watch out if you have Wells Fargo!

I worked at Wells Fargo for a year as a contractor and learned enough that I never want to have an account at Wells Fargo.

Fortwaynemobile says

LA city council had to remove pride flag. Someone put it up, and it was removed for that reason.

It was la times article

I did find this one about Roseville:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-18/california-city-refuses-to-fly-pride-flag

A high percentage of the people there were young people that probably have never experienced local government,” she said. “Now they have witnessed it themselves. I think maybe we might have some new activists born.

I think they are generating more activists against the sodomy flag as well, lol.

What's prevention you from removing the gay flag and running off with it?

Seriously, leave the cellphone at home and use public transportation, or a bicycle to wherever you want to do this. Stuff the offending flag into a backpack and dispose of it later (not in your personal trash). Do this at night if you can.

Patrick says

Who made these horrifying decisions? Do decent people have the right to object to such pure evil?

Maybe the majority of support for the sodomy and sexual mutilation flags comes from women who falsely think they are supporting people who were "born that way" when they are actually supporting pedophiles, anal cancer, and early death.

They think it's about love, but it's actually about gay sexual gratification at the expense of others and themselves.

Are you personally selling this, @NoYes ?

He's referencing a condo that collapsed on Collins ave in Miami Beach this morning.

Oh, lol, didn't see the second link.

Of course I own it.....would I fib? Prices are 'falling' fast!

It's very fishy, they don't seem to be scrambling to get the debris out of the way, and They haven't updated any counts.
When I look at the side of that building and the lack of Steel reinforcement. It looks like a building built in India.

https://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=d583f967-44cd-4585-a9da-257ee5be1578&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600

Rumor is that they hired some 'undocumented' workers to shore up some support walls in the below level garage. Ya gets whatch pay fors.

And I have to wonder if it was intentional by someone. Jared and Ivanka lived just a block away.

NoYes says

Rumor is that they hired some 'undocumented' workers to shore up some support walls in the below level garage.

It looks like it flooded and undermined the foundation. That's why there's so much water in the basement. And why it pancaked so flat.

Here's the real question. What other buildings did this POS build?

I wonder what every cable guy, carpet guy, and anyone else, who has been to that building and drilled a hole with a hammer drill, in the last week, is thinking.

Yeah... it will probably take years to establish the cause to collect insurance on. But my insurance agent just gave me more bad news.....because I was rude and insensitive, racist and homophobic to him in our previous conversations, he cancelled my policy last week and sent me a mail notice, but the building collapse probably destroyed the letter, so I am out of luck.

NoYes says

Yeah... it will probably take years to establish the cause to collect insurance on.

It was built on reclaimed wetland and was sinking a few mm every year. Over 40 years, that's enough to sheer and erode the steel support at the Elevator shaft.
The elevator shaft pancaked first, leaving 1/3 of the portion shade in orange, near the station logo and time. That stood free for about 5 seconds, then pancaked as well. There's a video from a security camera.

I suspect a sink hole under the garage, and compounded by the rain and runoff in the elevator shaft, as well as the sinking building.

Sadly that's not rubble, that's a flat solid pile of concrete no voids or pockets anywhere. It looks like it was built to be easily demolished for future projects. Like a cheap building to throw up to occupy the reclaimed wetland, before they made it a park.

Jeffrey Prather thinks it was bombed/demolition. Insurance scam? 9/11 was an insurance scam, too. Where are our perspiring nail biting, paranoid conspiracy theorists when we need them most to spin a delectable ouvre?

HunterTits says

It is shoddy construction, pure and simple. Not even Soviet era apt housing was this crappy.

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Really? That's just so boring. Who is giving those now homeless naked waifs tea and sympathy?

They haven't found another body in over 24 hours. Come to think of it, there isn't even a scrap of any home furnishings or decorations. Does a building collapse like this really become so abrasive and destructive, that it pulverizes everything as it collapses and falls?
I'm shocked also at how thin the structures walls foundation, and elevator shaft was. It looks like 4 inches across the board. All of the buildings I worked in on Miami beach during the late 80's throughout the 90's, back when I was doing flooring. All had 3 foot exterior walls, and the elevator shaft usually located in the center of the building, were about 6 feet thick. The columns under the garage, had 5 feet thick concrete columns. I don't know of those building floors could ever pancake or not.. But I would expect the exterior walls to hold and the elevator shaft to still be standing, as well as pockets under the parking garage due to the thick support columns.
This building fell through a couple floors it looks like and filled up the whole void under the parking garage.
If the building was sagging, I would wager it was sagging in the center, where the elevator shaft was. That whole structure was sinking, but not the outer end that free stood for a couple seconds before collapsing after the parking garage collapsed. It all went down through the basement into the parking garage.
But what's really shocking is how little steel there was to keep big sections of walls and floors intact. That building looks like it was build with some shitty India standards. Not even China, at least China makes buildings that can topple over without breaking apart.

As it broke apart and fell, it chewed up everything on the way down, they should start preparing the families, that there wont be nothing to bury but a few fingers and toes.

This collapse also shows the 911'ers, that you don't need planted explosives to bring a building down.

Tenpoundbass says

This collapse also shows the 911'ers, that you don't need planted explosives to bring a building down.

That's right! If you set those steel framed buildings on fire they will collapse into their own footprint.

If you don't have a hijacked jetliner to start the fire, a sinkhole under the garage will do.

Does it in any way relate to infrastructure QE to fund retrofit all the buildings on sinkholes that otherwise insurance was responsible.

Onvacation says

If you don't have a hijacked jetliner to start the fire

It would now appear that all of the energy that it creates in collapsing in on itself like that, is all the heat that is required to set all of the fine pulverized material on fire under the rubble pile.
That condo pile has been smoldering since Thursday.
Those folks on the ground providing bucket brigade to the clean up effort. Need to take action now, to protect themselves. Or in about 6 to 12 months we'll starting hearing about the respiratory diseases that inhaling that smoke caused.

Blue says

Does it in any way relate to infrastructure QE to fund retrofit all the buildings on sinkholes

There's no retrofitting that building. How they ever approved a 12 story structure with only 4 inch thick walls floors and exterior, is beyond stupid.

My guess is shitty and or cheap construction. Just like that leaning building in San Francisco.

Booger says

My guess is shitty and or cheap construction. Just like that leaning building in San Francisco.

Millennium Tower. Yeah, I watched that thing go up. Nutz how they cheaped out so close to the bedrock. In SF in particular.

Soon I'm going to have to quit making fun of Chinese construction.

NoYes says

Of course I own it.....would I fib? Prices are 'falling' fast!

Were you that guy off to the side in the video saying "PULL IT"?

Tenpoundbass says

Or in about 6 to 12 months we'll starting hearing about the respiratory diseases that inhaling that smoke caused.

Or in about 6 to 12 months we'll starting hearing about the respiratory diseases that were caused by the delta variant in Surfside

komputodo says

NoYes says

Of course I own it.....would I fib? Prices are 'falling' fast!

Were you that guy off to the side in the video saying "PULL IT"?

Ok..blame me..I will join the long list of blamies. But I did have a out of country cash buyer who said a check is in the mail for me....no inspections or questions asked. He trusts me.

Typical Realtards. 😤

https://6abc.com/before-fl-building-collapse-$9-million-in-repairs-needed/10837118/

Before Miami-area building collapse, $9 million in repairs needed

SURFSIDE, Florida -- Nearly three years before an oceanfront building collapsed near Miami, an engineering firm estimated that major repairs the building needed would cost more than $9 million, according to newly released emails.

The email from the firm of Morabito Consultants was among a series of documents released by the city of Surfside as rescue efforts continued at the site of the collapsed building, where more than 150 people remained unaccounted for. At least five people were killed in the collapse.

The release of the 2018 cost estimate followed the earlier publication of another document from the firm showing the ground-floor pool deck of the building was resting on a concrete slab that had "major structural damage" and needed to be extensively repaired. That report also uncovered "abundant cracking and spalling" of concrete columns, beams and walls in the parking garage.

The report did not warn of imminent danger from the damage, and it is unclear if any of the damage observed was responsible for the collapse of Champlain Towers South.

The cost estimate showed that repairs across the entire building would cost more than $9.1 million, with the cost of work at the garage, entrance and pool deck alone accounting for more than $3.8 million. The work had not been done by the time the building collapsed.

The earlier report said the waterproofing under the pool deck had failed and had been improperly laid flat instead of sloped, preventing water from draining off.

"The failed waterproofing is causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas. Failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially," the report said.

The firm recommended that the damaged slabs be replaced in what would be a major repair.

Some of the damage to the concrete in the parking garage was minor, while other columns had exposed and deteriorating rebar. It also noted that many of the building's previous attempts to fix the columns and other damage with epoxy were marred by poor workmanship and were failing.

Booger says

while other columns had exposed and deteriorating rebar.

I'm not inclined to believe that enough rebar was used in this building.

Note the "because of their identity" argument above.

The flaw in their reasoning is that they are considering the vice of sodomy to be an identity. It's not. It's an acquired vice, usually acquired as a boy by being molested by an adult gay man, who was himself similarly molested.

Gays should be treated exactly as heroin addicts are. They both have a life-shortening dangerous addiction, usually incurable. We should not be promoting heroin to children either.

Once men or boys turn gay, it's usually permanent and I would not recommending hating them or discriminating against them. It like having an alcoholic relative. You don't hate them for it.