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... At this point, I feel exhausted by movies. I don’t enjoy them anymore. Every couple of days I curl up on the couch at 10pm, scroll through Amazon Prime video, and pick something to see. It’s almost always a disappointment. This has been going on for months. I feel like I’m scraping the bottom of the barrel. The mere thought of sitting through another blockbuster for two hours fills me with dread, and a pre-emptive boredom so overwhelming that I’d rather go do the dishes.

I compare that to when I was a kid, and even movies that objectively weren’t very good would have me totally immersed. Those films of childhood were special – they’d fill me with wonder and ideas, inspiration for scenes to then recreate in The Sims or Lego. These days, sometimes I’m lucky and find that feeling of immersion and awe again. But it happens so rarely that it no longer feels worth the effort to rake for diamonds in the muck.

What happened? I have a couple of ideas, but no firm conclusions: ...

Self-Censorship. Comedy was big in the early 2000s. Movies like Superbad or the Hangover had meaningful impacts on popular culture. But since 2012, the only successful comedies have been animations aimed at young children.1 The 2000s-era teen/adult comedy has died out, despite immense popularity. Why?2 Adult comedy thrives on irreverence. Over the past decade, we’ve become touchy about what’s okay to say or laugh at. Borat could not be made today.3 More generally, making challenging, contrarian films these days basically requires you to be an established auteur. Otherwise, the constraints on what films can get made (funded) grow tighter every year, and viewers get more of the same.

Most Stories are the Same. Kurt Vonnegut once said that there are only six types of story. The fundamental constraints of the medium (and to a lesser extent, audience preferences) lead to the same story being told, over and over again. If you’ve seen an archetypal movie like The Godfather, then there are hundreds of films that will feel like boring, worse copies. Having seen lots of movies, I do not recall the last time I felt surprised watching a movie.

You Learn the Tricks. As an experienced viewer, you learn the directors’ tools. The main character isn’t going to die this early, there’s another hour in the movie. That’s probably a Chekhov’s gun. As you learn all the common tropes and devices, it becomes impossible not to notice them, and movies become yet another layer of predictable.

Passive Media Consumption is Fundamentally Bad. Many years ago, a friend tried to convince me that the passive consumption of any media – film or television, maybe even music – was bad for the soul. To unthinkingly let a wave of content break over you is to inundate yourself with noise, to be filled with other people’s mediocre thoughts and games. Certainly, passively consuming media usually leaves me disillusioned: time spent, but nothing gained. (Porn is the emptiest calorie of them all.) Film is passive consumption by definition, because it’s best when you’re fully immersed. I’m not sure if I agree that all media is thus fundamentally and inescapably bad, but much of it is.
Thus comes the slow disappointment of watching movies. First you don’t understand them. Then you understand them, and they’re captivating. Then you understand them too well, and they’re boring. Special effects become ordinary, deep movies become dull, groundbreaking themes become repetitive.4 You realize some revered directors are just hacks.5

Perhaps worst of all is the realization that the movies you like are very rare, and as you dive deep into film, you’re on a quest for the one-in-a-hundred experience. One of my favorite movies is Eyes Wide Shut. I have seen all movies that anyone on the internet has recommended as being “like Eyes Wide Shut”. Spoiler alert: none of them are. Not even close. Pulp Fiction had mass appeal, many directors tried to copy it, but it remains unique. One of the great things about movies is how many there are – you’d think the variety is enormous – but as per points 1-4 above, it’s actually surprisingly narrow.

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1   WookieMan   2021 Jul 6, 10:07am  

I don't do movies unless it's for the kids. I think all the ground breaking is in the past. Similar to music. There is a finite number of ways to put together chords in a song or ways to make movies that are completely unique from the past. You're copying something you've seen/done in the past almost always. It's why I like comedy lately. It gets copied as well, but at least if it's presented well I can laugh.

I haven't actively watched a show or movie in 2+ years. Mind you Covid, with nothing to do for the first couple months here. I've even stopped watching sports. It's all toxic really. You got shows like Blackish, yet I'd be vilified creating a show called Whitish because blacks in Africa decided to sell themselves 250 years ago. So sick of the slavery shit. Your people were the sellers. They sold YOU. Get the fuck over it and own up to your culture.
2   Tenpoundbass   2021 Jul 6, 10:12am  

My friend keeps asking me about movies, and new music. I keep telling him I'm not interested in none of it. He keeps asking me to bring content up on YouTube, so he can show me. I would rather set my hair on fire. So I bring up Garage 54, Anton, Uncle Doug, and Matt's Off Road Recovery, and Vicegrip Garage, just so he can get a sense of how I feel.
What people watch on YouTube is personal, either you're into that sort of thing, or you're not. If it all were something everyone could watch. YouTube would be the biggest Network on Cable, and it would be a premium channel.
3   WookieMan   2021 Jul 6, 10:20am  

I've posted him before, but if you like aviation and want to go down a rabbit hole of content, Mike Patey is the guy. Watch the scrappy build.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSvdee86uThqIrloZjWwNVg

Yes youtube, sorry. If I get a notification for a video of his I'll stop everything and watch it. Brilliant guy that comes across as normal except for when he gets into some of the deep engineering stuff if that's not your realm. Him and his twin brother started a deck building company when they were like 15. Might be billionaires, for sure are 9 figure wealth. Better than watching some shitty Tom Cruise movie in my opinion as his short ass yells at people about Covid.
4   Ceffer   2021 Jul 6, 10:26am  

So many SJW, equal opportunity, shoe horning and propaganda requirements, it's nearly impossible to tell a real or decent story anymore. You can see the British writers struggling with the BBC crap. American writers are shallow, young Hollywood dynasty shills who haven't got the foggiest idea of real life, so they just keep re-processing crap they already saw with all the jolly SJW trimmings.

We have been watching more of the foreign series. Less obvious shoehorning and they tend to explore interesting themes from the cultures and histories of the countries, no 20 year old script writers churning out late stage agitprop.

Stuff written before 2015 is still reasonably palatable, so older series can work.
5   BayArea   2021 Jul 6, 10:27am  

I hardly watch professional sports, same goes for Hollywood movies.

Seems like everything coming through my screen is via the paint brush stroke of an activist.
6   Shaman   2021 Jul 6, 10:38am  

I think the movie problem is twofold.
1) new movies are utter crap for the most part. There’s no storytelling craft involved, only formulaic renderings of past films with plenty of SJW wokey dokey sprinklings to ensure the abortion leaves a nasty taste in your mouth.
2) people have lost attention span. This goes especially for kids. My own kids can barely spare the time for a show let alone a movie. It just doesn’t feel important enough to passively sit and watch.
7   NuttBoxer   2021 Jul 6, 10:55am  

I definitely don't think it's true that there are no good recent films. Train to Busan was pretty good, one of the most emotionally touching zombie films I've ever seen. I think we just didn't realize the tremendous amount of crap that Hollywood has always produced cuz we were kids who relied on our parents to see films, and because we were less discerning. I also wouldn't discount shortened attention spans due to cellphones.
8   AmericanKulak   2021 Jul 6, 11:15am  

I haven't watched a new movie in about a decade or a series since the turn of the Century, except for Rome and the first 3 seasons of Game of Thrones.
9   Tenpoundbass   2021 Jul 6, 11:42am  

Shaman says
1) new movies are utter crap for the most part. There’s no storytelling craft involved, only formulaic renderings of past films with plenty of SJW wokey dokey sprinklings to ensure the abortion leaves a nasty taste in your mouth.


The Wokey Dokey sprinklings is due all in part to dark Propaganda money financing everything that is on the small and silver screen.

That is why they had to get rid of Mel Gibson, and Harvey Weinstein, so they could sell it. Nobody in their right mind would have watched one minute of any of the Marvel Universe movies made in the last 6 years. If Miramax was still slamming out Pulp Fiction Alpha male movies.
10   clambo   2021 Jul 6, 11:47am  

I watch
1. Foreign movies
2. Older movies
3. Some independent movies

I have a couple of Roku channels which have stuff that I like.

One channel is "Classic Reel" for 3 bucks per month.
Another is free, I watched "The Great Waldo Pepper" with Robert Redford, pretty good.
On Tubi TV I get the foreign movies for free.
11   NDrLoR   2021 Jul 6, 11:47am  

Patrick says
You Learn the Tricks
It's become obligatory now, the vilian has been conquered and is lying mortally wounded, only to bound back up as things are calming down. But in this movie, it was a new device and scared everyone in the audience. I sat through the movie twice just to watch their reaction. This clip cuts it off, but as she (Audrey Hepburn, who is blind) struggles, she opens the door to the refrigerator and its eerie lighting just makes the scene more frightening as she tries to pull away from his grasp on her leg. She finally turns the refrigerator over on him and he doesn't get up after that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0s_qq2clHA

There was a Hitchcock marathon during the Memorial Day weekend--I only watched North by Northwest which has always been my favorite film by Hitch. I also like Psycho and Vertigo as well.
12   Karloff   2021 Jul 6, 11:47am  

Just watch old movies. That's what I do. 1930's-2000 or so.
13   richwicks   2021 Jul 6, 12:33pm  

Shaman says
new movies are utter crap for the most part. There’s no storytelling craft involved, only formulaic renderings of past films with plenty of SJW wokey dokey sprinklings to ensure the abortion leaves a nasty taste in your mouth.


I largely agree with this, HOWEVER, not every film is made in Hollywierd.

The reason a 250 million dollar BlockBuster sucks, is because with such an enormous amount of money involved in producing it, it has to make a profit. As a result, it's not going to be an inventive, smart, film. It's going to follow a formula that has been proven over and over and over again, it's going to go through test screenings, it will be watered down, it will have a "satisfying ending" and it will be manufactured to have widespread demographic appeal.

The film, will be for kids too - designed usually for the demographics of 15 to 35 or so. When you still went to see films regularly, did you ever see a 60 year old couple going to see the same film, or even see them in the theater? It's been this way, our entire life. How many really remarkable films have been made in the last 50 years? A lot of the films I really grew to love, weren't highly budgeted and were, well, weird. Repo Man, Naked Lunch, Memento, StarShip Troopers, Blazing Saddles, Blade Runner - there's a ton that stand up, but there were gems in mounds of crap.

Here are all the films of 1990:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_1990

See how many you even remember hearing of, try to find one you actually remember, see if there's ONE you want to see again.
14   Tenpoundbass   2021 Jul 6, 12:39pm  

clambo says
I watch
1. Foreign movies


China was making the best movies in the world. Then Xi and the CCP, decided to clampdown on creative free thinkers, and movies that portrayed China's historical events and people with accuracy. The CCP were trying to inject the pro Communist themes, with Mao era sagas, and they just didn't hold up against those Historical figures.
So now I've noticed China doesn't allow Period pieces, unless they are pure fantasy, and play like a Marvel cartoon.
It's a shame I really enjoyed the stuff they were putting out. Imagine Mel Gibson with slant eyes.
15   Bd6r   2021 Jul 6, 2:49pm  

richwicks says
Here are all the films of 1990:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_1990

See how many you even remember hearing of, try to find one you actually remember, see if there's ONE you want to see again.


I have seen Delta force 2 with Chuck Norris, Die Hard 2, Hard to Kill with Seagal, Hunt for Red October w/Connery, King of New York, Lionheart with Van Damme. I was about 20 at that time, so selection is somewhat violent.
16   EBGuy   2021 Jul 6, 3:15pm  

One of the big problems with today's movie making is parasitic storytelling.

original link
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17   Eric Holder   2021 Jul 6, 3:28pm  

richwicks says
See how many you even remember hearing of, try to find one you actually remember, see if there's ONE you want to see again.


I re-watch Goodfellas occasionally. Same with The Godfather-3.

Kids love re-watching Home Alone.

But the list is woefully incomplete. Where are the Tarantino movies of the 90s: Pulp Fiction, True Romance, Natural Born Killers, Reservoir Dogs? Where is Terminator-2? Where is Fargo? Big Lebowki? That list is BS.
18   clambo   2021 Jul 6, 4:43pm  

Here's a good movie I just watched on "Classic Reel"
Thumbs up.
Very cool unexpected ending.
19   Ceffer   2021 Jul 6, 4:50pm  

I'll confess. I watched the Wonder Woman 1984 movie and liked it. I hate myself and will do penance. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

In lame defense, I never viewed Wonder Woman as a feminist figure. She represented stalwart female attributes, but was no feminist perv. Tomb Raider is another female figure who is not 'feminist'. I have played almost all the games. Tomb Raider was one of the first computer games I ever played back in the day.
21   Patrick   2021 Jul 6, 5:39pm  

EBGuy says
One of the big problems with today's movie making is parasitic storytelling.

original link
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Thanks @EBGuy that was a very good video.

I'm going to watch more by Jonathan Pageau

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/pageaujonathan/
22   FarmersWon   2021 Jul 6, 11:17pm  

@patrick
CCP is not known for entertainment only torture.
No wonder CCP sponsored movies are torturing you.
May be polish can produce good movies as they seem to be holding freedom up.
23   FarmersWon   2021 Jul 6, 11:21pm  

@patrick
CCP is not known for entertainment only torture.
No wonder CCP sponsored movies are torturing you.
May be polish can produce good movies as they seem to be holding freedom up.
24   richwicks   2021 Jul 7, 10:31pm  

Eric Holder says
But the list is woefully incomplete. Where are the Tarantino movies of the 90s: Pulp Fiction, True Romance, Natural Born Killers, Reservoir Dogs? Where is Terminator-2? Where is Fargo? Big Lebowki? That list is BS.


Just 1990. I picked a random year.

Pulp Fiction: 1994
True Romance: 1993
Natural Born Killers: 1994 (I had to laugh at Rodney Dangerfield when he was molesting his daughter, it was so over the top)
Reservoir Dogs: 1992
Terminator-2: 1991

Any year has a ton of films. The vast majority are garbage, even the vast majority of the memorable films are garbage because of advertising. It's really no different today, films are directed at children. We can watch old films mostly out of nostalgia, but some - some are masterpieces but it's rare to find many in any given year, and considering how many films are produced in a year, it's really hard to find the gems now.

I recently found "Mother" - although the ending didn't make a hell of a lot of sense - at least from a logical standpoint. People might regard it as a "feminist film". Still, I liked it, but the ending was a setup for a disaster. Single mother, with no support, taking care of a baby, with no experience, even well educated? I don't think EITHER sex can do that.
25   Eric Holder   2021 Jul 8, 7:16am  

richwicks says
Just 1990. I picked a random year.


Ah, I thought it was for the whole decade.
26   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Jul 8, 7:26am  

clambo says
I watch
1. Foreign movies
2. Older movies
3. Some independent movies
Karloff says
Just watch old movies. That's what I do. 1930's-2000 or so


Yeah Patrick, I came to the same place you did about a decade or so ago. When our kids were teenagers we were comfortable to go out on "date night" type stuff. Nearly all the time we were "skunked" because there was nothing we wanted to see at the cinemas, so we just came home from the restaurant or went to Black Cat Licorce (local nonprofit Improv). The last time we attended a movie, was for a matinee of Hotel Transylvania 2. It's been that long since there was anything of interest.

That said, I'm with clambo and Karloff.

Here in the SF Bay area digital channel 2-3 calls itself "Movies!", lots of "good old" stuff to watch from the decades Karloff cited. I especially like their Sunday night "Film Noir" showings. Of the most recent decades the movies they broadcast are mostly they are not blockbuster movies so they were under the radar to folks like me when they were released. For example a few nights ago a 2007 film that I could not stop watching, "We Own The Night".
28   Patrick   2021 Oct 20, 3:51pm  

My wife has been getting videos from the public library, and sometimes we find a very good series and watch most of it.

Lately we are watching The Bureau, about the French CIA-type group, the DGSE. It's been compelling and I look forward to watching each episode.

https://www.gq.com/story/the-bureau-sundance-now-must-watch
29   EBGuy   2021 Oct 20, 5:02pm  

Patrick says
I'm going to watch more by Jonathan Pageau

Pageau was recently interviewed by the Babylon Bee. It provides a good overview of his material and is pretty funny as well. (Warning: youtube link!)
30   richwicks   2021 Oct 29, 3:58am  


original link


Oldie but a goodie.
31   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2021 Oct 29, 4:03am  

Patrick says
My wife has been getting videos from the public library,
The Bureau was great! Edgy. You can join Kanopy with a library card and stream movies. I've zeroed in on dated foreign gangster movies. Check out Live Like a Cop, Die Like a Cop, which inspired Tarantino.

https://www.kanopy.com
32   PeopleUnited   2021 Oct 29, 4:40am  

BayArea says
I hardly watch professional sports, same goes for Hollywood movies.

Seems like everything coming through my screen is via the paint brush stroke of a propagandist.


Fixed it for you.
33   Tenpoundbass   2021 Oct 29, 10:52am  

I'm glad this thread resurfaced. As many of you may know from my many threads raving about the quality of Movies from Korea, China, and Russia over the last ten years, beats our movie production hands down. I used to search on Youtube "China Movie English Subtitles" or another country. And countless great movies would come up, I could scroll on for minutes and most all would look interesting.

Now they have two or three movies, mostly Propaganda tinged and not made with classic story telling techniques that keeps my interest piqued before.
So there are two or three movies, and they all have different thumbnails and description, so you think it's a different movie. Or there will be tons of their equivalent of Chick Flicks or teen date movies(for the Chinese, Korean or Russian audience)
34   Ceffer   2021 Oct 29, 10:58am  

Is 'They Live' still considered fiction?

How many angels can dance on a pinhead? How many banal, diversity shoehorns can you fit into a brain dead script and try to make up for it with cgi?
35   richwicks   2021 Oct 29, 3:59pm  

Tenpoundbass says
I'm glad this thread resurfaced. As many of you may know from my many threads raving about the quality of Movies from Korea, China, and Russia over the last ten years, beats our movie production hands down


@Tendpoundbass.

Give us a list.

I've not seen Solaris yet - been meaning to do that, but I did enjoy Nightwatch and Daywatch. Those were just fun. Above average mindless fun.
36   richwicks   2021 Oct 30, 2:46am  

Since I'm up late, I want to recommend a great documentary series called:

People's Century

It covers most of what happened between 1900 and 1997. Sorry for the youtube link, I purchased this 20 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYmbyOrM4gs&list=PLuL26fXZ8eTNLLnugg2BTyOZQ7HT-QZk4

It is told from the perspective of "the believers" of what they believed they were doing largely. All of history is propaganda, but it's interesting to see it from the indoctrinated point of view. These people are not bad people, recognize we can all be propagandized. The parts on the communist ideals are especially interesting to me - naive people, truly wanting to make a better world.
37   AmericanKulak   2021 Nov 28, 9:19am  

Eternals Flops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yUZ2oWtcU

Not only is the movie banned in most of the Middle East, it's banned in China, because Warnabrothers wouldn't edit out to LGBTQ123+ content lest they be accused of being unwoke. It made 30% less than of opening projections.

Diverse Diverse Diverse. The first Marvel film with a gay couple; the first marvel film with a gay kiss.

The excuse is that there is a huge conspiracy of Toxic Males who refused to see it due to a female director.

Hopefully this is the end of endless infantile Superhero crap.
38   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2021 Nov 28, 9:50am  

All that gay shit in movies and woke crap is why we haven’t seen movies in years. Fuck this faggot worship.
39   Ceffer   2021 Nov 28, 10:07am  

The popular computer game "The Last Of Us' chose to make the cute little girl protagonist an adolescent lesbian in the sequel. That turned it into a flop. It was on steep discount, so I bought it. Fantastic graphics, but the lesbian foo soap opera drama is pure drudgery. Seeing masculinized, enabled girls being little bitches has become a work around in these media.
40   Tenpoundbass   2021 Nov 28, 11:04am  

richwicks says
@Tendpoundbass.

Give us a list.

I've not seen Solaris yet - been meaning to do that, but I did enjoy Nightwatch and Daywatch. Those were just fun. Above average mindless fun.


After Shock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTjNfwoHEAg
The Host
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdNqos19xSU
Troll Hunters

The Admiral(The Dutch Movie, and the Chinese Movie) Two different historical national heroes, that saved their towns from enemy invasion.
Dutch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn9aWMS7g3Q
Chinese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHB-_uESbR4


Journey to the West(A roaring hoot fun movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCKVo7jAH8

And unfortunately the best movies were titled in the native language without translation. So I don't now the names of them. I used to recognize them by the movie poster thumbnails. .

I'll post more as I think of them. I can't go back and search as they have all been taken down.

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