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I stated that I do believe that, but we don't stop taking treatments for other diseases because of this.

I also stated that having a large percentage of the host organisms already immune to that particular virus or bacteria will lead to mutations as well.

Patrick says

This graph seems to support Dr. Montagnier's assertion that the "vaccine" itself is creating or selecting for variants like the delta variant:



https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/24/covid-spreading-fast-in-well-vaccinated-california-counties/

Patrick,

What do you mean by "selecting"?

3818 fucking variants already out there! I saw that in a presentation yesterday on Zoom call from Frontline Doctors. This shit is insane!

Yes, the virus is constantly creating slightly different iterations. By imposing a very defined immune pressure, iterations that previously were not advantaged, become advantaged, and they emerge. This is what the very specific spike protein mRNA vaccines are doing.

While I hate analogies, here goes:

Your military possesses a wide range of diverse weapons systems - tanks, missles, fighter jets, bombers, mines, nukes, etc. Your enemy attacks but your wide range of weapons keeps the invaders at bay. But then Commander-in-Chief Fraudsi orders all other weapons systems except tanks to stand down, and ramps up the rollout of additonal tanks. Initially, your tanks are successful against the invader's troops and tanks. In response, the invader ramps up its number of jets and missiles, previously kept in check by your wide range of weapons systems, and the jets and missiles annihilate your tanks, and you are invaded.

WineHorror1 says

What do you mean by "selecting"?

I mean suppressing off the variants which cause little harm but provide general immunity, leaving only those variants which cause a lot of harm - selecting for them.

Misc says

Patrick says

Do you doubt that antibiotics select for more serious bacterial infections?

Antibiotics do help breed resistant bacteria, but differing breeds of bacteria are not only created by having antibiotics.

You would think me foolish if I refused an antibiotic treatment for this reason.

If you have a disease which is very likely to get better with the antibiotic, then yes you should take it.

But if you spam the world with antibiotics, then you are destroying the ability of antibiotics to even work, by selecting for bacteria which are resistant.

If someone is much more likely to die of Fauci Flu than the vaxx, then they should take it. This limits the market to the over-80 population.

But if you spam the world with the vaxx, you select for variants that the vaxx does nothing at all against, create ADE, and murder millions with blood clots alone.

Herd immunity is impossible through narrow response vaccines like these, even if you were somehow able to get everyone to take it, AND it was actually effective at preventing you from getting/transmitting it:

1. Variant comes out. It's already in the wild before it's detected. ie. already spreading.
2. New vaccine must be formulated to combat it. Maybe this can be quick if it's very similar to the old one. Maybe even a day.
3. Manufacturing must start producing the new batches. More time.
4. Shipping.
5. Administering

By the time #5 has happened for everyone, square 1 was already looped back to probably many times over, making the current batch obsolete before it hits any significant majority of people.

Karloff says

Herd immunity is impossible through narrow response vaccines like these

This.

Patrick says

The point is that overuse of vaccines and antibiotics actually causes more serious diseases.

https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html

mass vaccination promotes natural selection of increasingly vaccine immunity (VI)-escaping variants in the vaccinated part of the population. Taken together, mass vaccination conducted on a background of high infectivity rates enables more infectious, increasingly VI-escaping variants to expand in prevalence. This evolution inevitably results in inclining morbidity rates in both, the non-vaccinated and vaccinated population and precipitates the emergence of circulating viral variants that will eventually fully resist vaccine-mediated immunity (VMI). This is why mass vaccination campaigns should not be conducted during a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone during a pandemic of more infectious variants (unless transmission-blocking vaccines are used!).

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down

Onvacation says

The spike in "rare" disease deaths came shortly after the spike in vaxxing.

@Onvacation

Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier would agree with your data:

"In every country, the curve of vaccinations is followed by a curve of deaths"

Dr Robert Malone and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montangnier appear to be nothing more than people who are pissed that they didn't get millions from the vaccine development.

Their crap reasoning that the vaccine is causing all the mutations and should be stopped is ludicrous. By this reasoning NO vaccines should have ever been made because of this same crap reasoning,

What?????? ----- Are we supposed to wait until the pandemic is over before we vaccinate people???? ---- Of course not, then the remaining populous would have heard immunity and there would be no reason for the vaccination at all.

Ask these doofuses whether or not all previous vaccines were created while the disease was still infecting members of the world-wide population.

Misc says

Dr Robert Malone and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montangnier appear to be nothing more than people who are pissed that they didn't get millions from the vaccine development.

Their crap reasoning that the vaccine is causing all the mutations and should be stopped is ludicrous. By this reasoning NO vaccines should have ever been made because of this same crap reasoning,

What?????? ----- Are we supposed to wait until the pandemic is over before we vaccinate people???? ---- Of course not, then the remaining populous would have heard immunity and there would be no reason for the vaccination at all.

Ask these doofuses whether or not all previous vaccines were created while the disease was still infecting members of the world-wide population.

That's what was done with most vaccines that eventually eradicated illnesses or pushed them to the brink of eradication. The main difference though was that those were all slowly mutating viruses - or bacteria in case of tetanus - where vaccines are very much suitable, and there's a reason corona and rhino viruses have never been targeted, because they mutate too much - they are impossible to eradicate but they are also the least lethal, which goes hand in hand. Even the flu vaccination is showing marginal results only, while it can be useful in protecting people of all ages from serious illness, it's very often a crap shoot as the influenza virus mutates quite a but as well and ADE is areal problem. It's entirely possible that vaccination, esp. mass vaccination, was the totally wrong approach, instead they could have prevented selective mutation and serious illness by focusing on treatments such as Ivermectin, HCQ plus zinc etc.

mell says

It's entirely possible that vaccination, esp. mass vaccination, was the totally wrong approach, instead they could have prevented selective mutation and serious illness by focusing on treatments such as Ivermectin, HCQ plus zinc etc.

It's pretty much impossible for the government to admit an "error" of this magnitude, especially when it was directly caused by the corruption of having Pfizer etc run the CDC and NIH.

So now I think they will have to start a war to distract people from the overwhelming evidence of Fauci and government corruption and incompetence.

Misc says

Dr Robert Malone and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montangnier appear to be nothing more than people who are pissed that they didn't get millions from the vaccine development.

Their crap reasoning that the vaccine is causing all the mutations and should be stopped is ludicrous. By this reasoning NO vaccines should have ever been made because of this same crap reasoning,

What?????? ----- Are we supposed to wait until the pandemic is over before we vaccinate people???? ---- Of course not, then the remaining populous would have heard immunity and there would be no reason for the vaccination at all.

Ask these doofuses whether or not all previous vaccines were created while the disease was still infecting members of the world-wide population.

Ad hominen attacks are the very scourge of scientific debate. It is ignorance, intolerance and insecurity writ large.

No one is theorizing that the vaccines are causing the mutations, which are random events. What some are theorizing is that the mRNA gene therapies are encouraging the outgrowth of variants that have a competitive advantage by dint of the specific selective pressure of the very defined mRNA gene therapies.

It is mass vaccination during a pandemic that is being criticized, not vaccination. Vaccinating only the vulnerable, e.g., the elderly with co-morbidities, is suggested as a more prudent approach.

Right, Misc is very far off base on this, not even reflecting Malone and Montagnier's argument at all.

They are arguing that mass vaccination is itself the problem here, selecting for variants and in addition potentially causing mass ADE, a known harmful effect that can happen with vaccines, making people more likely to get seriously ill from the virus, not less.

I think those are two different bad things that are happening already.

And then there are all the blood clots, guillain-barre disease, myocarditis among the young, and all the others being directly caused by the vaxx.

"It must be noted that elevated specific antibody levels do not automatically provide protection. While the neutralizing effect of antibodies is undoubtedly beneficial for vaccination, when an antibody associates with a pathogen without its functional inactivation, it can facilitate phagocytosis as an opsonin and consequently, the entry of the microbe into human cells, a phenomenon called “Antibody-Dependent Enhancement” or ADE. It has been found that antibodies and even vaccine-induced antibody responses, can have an adverse effect in the case of various infections [81], such as influenza [82] or SARS vaccinations [83]."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7922266/

And so as spike protein mutants become advantaged due to the immunoligical pressure of defined mRNA gene therapies, the antibodies generated by the gene therapy, while still binding to parts of the spike protein, fail to neutralize the virus, that is, fail to block its entry into cells. Quite the opposite, the tail end of the antibody, the Fc region, acts as a beacon that binds to cells that possess Fc receptors, which facillitates entry of the virus into the cells, and the susbesquent propagation and release of a multitude of virus progeny to contnue the disease process.

This is established science. There can be no censoring of this fact. And serious scientists have hypothesized that this is a very real potential danger of the current mass vaccination campaign, and as data is coming in, are theorizing that we may be seeing the early manifestations of ADE. Stay tuned.

Thanks, that helps me understand it somewhat.

Summary: the vaxx itself is likely to make people more sick from Fauci Flu, not less.

Patrick says

Summary: the vaxx itself is likely to make people more sick from Fauci Flu, not less.

It is a plausible scenario.

https://notthebee.com/article/does-this-restaurant-think-covid-spreads-through-eye-contact




Well, true eye contact would be quite disgusting, and could conceivably spread disease, but I don't think that's what they're talking about here...

Patrick says

Careful, that screed is easily rebuked with "We have vaccines for measles, mumps, polio, smallpox and others." A correct statement would only compare pathogens similar to Covid, such as cold viruses, that no vaccine has been developed to fight.

True, and very relevant because the Wuhan Virus is just a type of cold virus.

Given that we have no effective vaccine against the cold even now, what makes people think that this jab is safe and effective against Fauci Flu?

Well, maybe they are also interested in how easily the whole thing allows them to negate all our Constitutional rights so that they can have even more power.