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Alexandros Marinos
@alexandrosM
2h
Things I'm confused about
- Why mandates if herd immunity isn't possible
- What happens 8 months after boosters
- What's the plan for the next variant
- Why twitter is the best place for news
- Why we're messing with vaccine injury liability if the vaccines are safe and effective
10:47 PM · Aug 23, 2021

https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1429938349079359497#m

The last one is the most important.

The FDA claims the jab is "safe".

So then why do the makers need unusual and absolute exemption from all liability for them?

DeHorrible
@DeHorrible
2h
Replying to @alexandrosM
to end this madness effectively once and for all, people need to put real pressure on DC to end waivers & protection granted to pharmaceuticals, then hit those criminals organizations called companies with huge class action suit. send them to bankruptcy pit. share if you agree.

5tr4n3r
@5tr4n3r
2h
Replying to @alexandrosM
- Why nobody is talking about the social cost of making dire enemies of a non trivial fraction of the population who will categorically refuse the mandates

RC2006 says

My wife is starting to push for my two older kids to get in. So far I've staved it off. She said the pediatric ward is overfilled at work. But then they've also have shortage from people quitting to avoid shot.

Is it true that kids are more likely to die from the flu?

RC2006 says

My wife is starting to push for my two older kids to get in. So far I've staved it off. She said the pediatric ward is overfilled at work. But then they've also have shortage from people quitting to avoid shot.

The CDCs own data shows 0.5-2.3 out of 100000 kids with covid get hospitalized. And that isn't the ICU yet, the vast majority of those get released without reaching the ICU. Compare that to 1 out of 9 serious adverse effects in kids 12-15 for the Pfizer agent

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/08/fda-approves-pfizer-jab-after-only-confirming-it-protects-you-from-covid-19-for-7-days

FDA approves Pfizer Jab after only confirming it protects you from COVID-19 for 7 days

RC2006 says

My wife is starting to push for my two older kids to get in. So far I've staved it off. She said the pediatric ward is overfilled at work. But then they've also have shortage from people quitting to avoid shot.

Don’t let her do it. Sit your kids down and explain, show videos of people who got fucked up by the jab. Show videos of KIDS who are cripples for life from the jab. And talk about reproduction issues we don’t know about. They could be sterilizing themselves and with the girls it’s a fair probability that they are. Then tell them not to get it under ANY circumstances. If your wife objects tell her there’s the fucking door.

Shaman says

If your wife objects tell her there’s the fucking door.

That's Alpha man stuff right there. Boo yah

Yeah, I'm not on board with my kids getting it at all. Wife isn't either, though she's thinking about it for herself. I can't force her but have been gathering links and all sorts of info to sway her from getting it. Her work doesn't require it and won't. So what's the point at 38? Not fat. And no other ailments like lupus or something.

Every human that has 20 years to live WILL get covid. People are getting Covid WITH a vaccine. This is a god damn flu. Gotta stop the hype. I'm concerned about what is happening at the higher levels and what is trying to be hidden at this point.

WookieMan says

Yeah, I'm not on board with my kids getting it at all. Wife isn't either, though she's thinking about it for herself. I can't force her but have been gathering links and all sorts of info to sway her from getting it. Her work doesn't require it and won't. So what's the point at 38? Not fat. And no other ailments like lupus or something.

Every human that has 20 years to live WILL get covid. People are getting Covid WITH a vaccine. This is a god damn flu. Gotta stop the hype. I'm concerned about what is happening at the higher levels and what is trying to be hidden at this point.

My wife is the same age and we just had a newborn. So it was paramount NOT to take the clot shot during pregnancy and continuing to REFUSE it during breastfeeding and for the foreseeable future. They were pushing it hard, even when it it was time for delivery, but we're both on the same page. I'm worried about my other son who is 10, once he reaches 12 or once the fraudulent pharma-fauxci-cdc-xiden mafia connection lowers the age, as I only have partial custody. There is at east a good chance covid is mostly tamed (not fully but endemic like the flu) by 2022 and regarded as a regular flu by then. It takes a lot for them to keep up the fear porn hype and I have been busy sending out stats to parents and friends and to my broader network.

RC2006 says

My wife is starting to push for my two older kids to get in. So far I've staved it off. She said the pediatric ward is overfilled at work. But then they've also have shortage from people quitting to avoid shot.

The chances of your children dying from this disease are extremely minimal, and the vaccines do not seem to have efficacy.

I am reluctant to give advice, because if your kid gets sars-cov2-19 and the reason you didn't get your kid vaccinated is because of my advice, you have every right to track me down, and beat me to death. Still, I'm giving this advice. This vaccine seems to be all risk and no benefit.

richwicks says

RC2006 says

My wife is starting to push for my two older kids to get in. So far I've staved it off. She said the pediatric ward is overfilled at work. But then they've also have shortage from people quitting to avoid shot.

The chances of your children dying from this disease are extremely minimal, and the vaccines do not seem to have efficacy.

I am reluctant to give advice, because if your kid gets sars-cov2-19 and the reason you didn't get vaccinated is because of my advice, you have every right to track me down, and beat me to death. Still, I'm giving this advice. This vaccine seems to be all risk and no benefit.

You don't have to give "advice" - just provide the data and let everyone else do the math: per cdc the chance of hospitalization for kids from covid is anywhere between 0.5 and 2.3 per 100K and per pfizer the chance of serious side effects from the agent in kids age 12-15 is 1 in 9. My math says the agent has a 1000 fold chance of maiming the kid compared to !covid!

https://babylonbee.com/news/fda-approves-pfizer-vaccine-knocks-on-wood

U.S.—After an intense period of testing on 200 million guinea pigs throughout the U.S. and some very fancy lobster dinners with Pfizer executives, the Food and Drug Administration finally approved the Pfizer vaccine, and then knocked on some nearby wood just in case.

"I dunno, I guess we can just approve it now," said FDA researchers... Besides, can you imagine what would happen if we suddenly told millions of people who have already taken it that it was unsafe? Yikes! I guess we can just approve this puppy!"

"Hopefully nothing terrible will happen! Knock on wood! Haha!"

The FDA then got out the very official ceremonial rubber stamp that they only use on very special occasions, dipped it in official red ink, and then stamped the little paper that said "Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine" on the top of it to prove to the world that the vaccine was very very safe and there was nothing to worry about.

"With lady luck on our side, everything will be ok!" said the FDA Commissioner as everyone chuckled nervously. ...

The American people report feeling very relieved that the vaccine is approved and expressed the desire to wait until the other two vaccines are approved before they make a decision.

https://babylonbee.com/news/100-million-vaccine-hesitant-americans-will-get-the-shot-now-that-a-government-agency-said-its-ok

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/550b0ac4e4b0c16cdea1b084/t/6124fdd27da16f3e2c51aecb/1629814226387/Key+points+to+consider+FDA+letters+and+press+release.pdf

FDA Pfizer authorization (Comirnaty): Key points to consider and discuss.
These points are an aggregate of many minds, including Dr. Robert Malone.
23 Aug 2021
General talking points
• Why mandates if herd immunity isn't possible?
• What happens 8 months after boosters?
• What's the plan for the next variant?
• Why we're messing with vaccine injury liability if the vaccines are safe and effective?
There are now TWO LEGALLY distinct (Pfizer vs. BionTech), but otherwise identical products,
based on two FDA letters, as well as a press release. The analysis of these FDA products
below is preliminary and subject to change.
Letter to Pfizer
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
• DOES NOT GIVE FULL APPROVAL
• Extends EUA to allow supply of current Pfizer under EUA because limited supply of
BioNTech version.
• “The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or
effectiveness. (page 2, Pfizer letter)
o here FDA quietly admits that the licensed Pfizer vaccine and the authorized
Pfizer vaccine are identical with regard to safety/efficacy, but they are "legally
distinct." That's code for one has manufacturer liability, while the other doesn't.
It is also code for "we don't want to impose a mandate on the EUA product cause
it is illegal, but we can probably get away with a mandate on the licensed
product."
o page 12 AA (Conditions with Respect to Use of Licensed Product). This tells you
that yes, we licensed the vaccine, but...there is a lot of the old vaccine out there,
actually "a significant amount" and this amount will be considered an EUA and
will continue to be used.
o Now, why would they do that? Why specify that identical versions of the
product will be legally different? Because they need the license to impose the
mandates. But they need the EUA to evade liability.
o Along with the license comes liability for the manufacturer. (While all EUA
products were given a liability shield.)
o Unfortunately, our federal governments would prefer us to be without
recourse if we are injured, rather than have Pfizer defend its product in court.
So, the feds want us to THINK the vaccine we are receiving is licensed, which will
make people submit because they think it can now be mandated, but instead we
are almost certain to receive the EUA vials instead, to save Pfizer's behind. Yes, a
stingy CICP injury program exists, but it has not paid out for a single COVID
vaccine injury yet.
• Warning about myocarditis and pericarditis
Letter to BioNTech (COMIRNATY): (signed by Mary Malarkey) – MARKET AUTHORIZES BLA
(APPROVAL)
https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
• For “active immunization to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by
severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in individuals 16 years of
age and older.”
• Analysis of […] adverse events reported […] not be sufficient to assess known serious
risks of myocarditis and pericarditis and identify an unexpected serious risk of subclinical
myocarditis.
• 13 Post marketing studies required
o Pediatric (3 studies) < 6m to <15 y
o Myocarditis and pericarditis (6 studies), with UP TO 5 years follow up
o Pregnancy – teratology (1 study)
o Dose levels, VA, effectiveness in Kaiser system (3 studies)
• The FDA bypassed/disregarded the normal advisory committee and public comment
process for this license. See p2 “We did not refer your application to the Vaccines and
Related Biological Products Advisory Committee because our review of information
submitted in your BLA, including the clinical study design and trial results, did not raise
concerns or controversial issues that would have benefited from an advisory
committee discussion.”

Patrick says

@RC2006 does she know that kids are more likely to die in the car ride to school than from Fauci Flu?

You could point out that the vaxx makes them more likely to die, not less.

And you could point out all the myocarditis cases in the young.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/jul/covid-19-risks-severe-illness-children-shown-be-very-low

It’s not approved yet. It was some pr stunt.

Final approval in 2023 if gl they get more data.

Ah, @ZZ611 is Dr. Zelenko on Gab.com:

https://gab.com/ZZ611

Not on Twitter.

Ah, now I get it:


original link

I'll put this in the OP.

The existing Pfizer jab was not approved by the FDA.

The FDA approved a different Pfizer jab which does not exist yet.

This is really the key to understanding the FDA statement:

"The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals."

The vaccine that was, and CONTINUES to be available is under EUA for individuals, INCLUDING these specific groups.

https://rumble.com/vlmd4g-pfizer-seeking-full-indemnification.html


original link

Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
11h
What is Pfizer so afraid of if these vaccines are perfectly safe?

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1430224705106202632#m

Tallystick
@tallystick
11h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
That is telling to me. Corporations or government have no standing to mandate any medicine that it has not recourse attached to it. I see a bright shiny line coming into view.

Gary Wiggin
@GaryWiggin
11h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
Why is Pfizer not mandating their employees get vaccinated?
6:11 PM · Aug 24, 2021

Barbara Martin
@BMartin0318
5h
Replying to @GaryWiggin @RWMaloneMD
Is that true... Pfizer not mandating their employees to get their vax?

Gary Wiggin
@GaryWiggin
4h
Yes. Watch the CEO interview with Lester Holt.

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson

1/ So now that Come-Here-Naughty is approved (ish), the @moderna_tx @JNJNews lose their Emergency Use Authorizations, right? Because there's an approved alternative and you can't have an EUA when there are "adequate, approved, and available alternatives."

2/ Or is this another reason @us_fda is going out of its way to say Comirnaty is not available?

"although COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is approved... there is not sufficient approved vaccine available for distribution to this population."

3/ Whatever game(s) they are playing here, they're being too clever by half.

SOURCE: Footnote 9

Patrick says

Ah, now I get it:


original link

I'll put this in the OP.

The existing Pfizer jab was not approved by the FDA.

The FDA approved a different Pfizer jab which does not exist yet.

Holy shit

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mainstream-media-fda-approval-pfizer-vaccine/
Interesting article about approved vaccine

WookieMan says

I'm concerned about what is happening at the higher levels and what is trying to be hidden at this point.

You, me and almost everyone on pat.net knew this almost a year ago. Hell, I had all my big fights with family and friends over Covid (from trying to get them to use logic and critical thinking) 14 months ago.

Patrick says

The FDA approved a different Pfizer jab which does not exist yet.

Now we investigate how/why the hell the FDA would approve something that doesn't exist. Who will oversee the approved product to make sure it is, in fact, what was approved? Meaning, how will we KNOW that the product won't be chemically different?

Ok, so I have it on authority that the FDA approved the clot shot for everyone 16+. The 12-15 ages are still under the EUA, which is part of what triggered the confusion.

Minime says

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mainstream-media-fda-approval-pfizer-vaccine/
Interesting article about approved vaccine

Americans, told that the Pfizer COVID vaccine is now licensed, will understandably assume COVID vaccine mandates are lawful. But only EUA-authorized vaccines, for which no one has any real liability, will be available during the next few weeks when many school mandate deadlines occur.

The FDA appears to be purposefully tricking American citizens into giving up their right to refuse an experimental product.

While the media has trumpeted that the FDA has approved COVID vaccines, the FDA has not approved the Pfizer BioNTech vaccines, nor any COVID vaccines for the 12- to 15-year age group, nor any booster doses for anyone.

And the FDA has not licensed any Moderna vaccine, nor any vaccine from Johnson & Johnson — so the vast majority, if not all, of vaccines available in the U.S. remain unlicensed EUA products.

Here’s what you need to know when somebody orders you to get the vaccine: Ask to see the vial. If it says “Comirnaty,” it’s a licensed product.

But Pfizer has liability for “Comirnaty”, for now, so they are not likely to supply it and risk lawsuits.

https://uncanceled.news/were-the-pfizer-vaccines-approved-because-they-establish-a-perpetual-need-for-booster-shots/

Were the Pfizer ‘Vaccines’ Approved Because They Establish a Perpetual Need for Booster Shots?

Is there any doubt in your mind?

Shaman says

Ok, so I have it on authority that the FDA approved the clot shot for everyone 16+. The 12-15 ages are still under the EUA, which is part of what triggered the confusion.

Glad my kids are younger than that for a little bit more. Unvaccinated home here and hoping to keep it that way (for Covid).

Shaman says

Ok, so I have it on authority that the FDA approved the clot shot for everyone 16+. The 12-15 ages are still under the EUA, which is part of what triggered the confusion.

No they didn't. See my explanation of the confusing English they intentionally used in their statement. Also, if there is an approved, available treatment, all EUA's would immediately be revoked(see Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine).

No one has mentioned MIS-C, which is a more likely outcome than death for COVID-19 in minors. I think that is the main factor you're balancing again myo- and pericarditis in when you're thinking about vaccinating the 12 and up crowd.