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Where do you store it? A long gun safe?

Occasionally we have children here, and I want to be damn sure no one can get at it but me.

Semiautomatic .22 is also effective once you put enough holes through someone. But there's nothing like a 12 with buckshot for stopping power available to the public.

Even BB guns are not toys. Get the proper training.

I used to shoot shotguns a bit as a teen on a friend's farm.

The one thing I like is that you pretty much never miss at reasonably close range. Also, the shot doesn't go all that far, so you're less likely to kill a random person.

Patrick says

I wonder if the approval of the Pfizer jab by the FDA tomorrow is exactly because they can't keep the "emergency use authorization" fraud going any longer since it's so obvious that Ivermectin works well, with many double-blind studies now.

One reason full approval was urgent is that the numbers coming out of Israel show a 39% efficacy. FDA approval requires a 50% rate for vaccine approval.
Another thing that has come up is EUA approval is contingent on there being no other FDA approved interventions. So how do they keep giving Moderna and J$J Zyclon Jabs if the Pfizer shot is FDA approved?

The Golden Rule: He Who Has the Gold Makes the Rules.
Conversely, He Who Pulls Some Rules Out of His Ass Steals Your Gold

Onvacation says

WineHorror1 says

I recommend you buy 3. A .22, a 9mm pistol and 12 gauge shotgun. As much ammo as possible. Cash if you're able.

Twelve gauge pump action is the best way to start for home defense. Just make sure you practice with it. The noise and recoil can be frightening until you are used to it.

Yep, 12 gauge recoil is for real. Don't let your wife shoot unless she is a sturdy woman.

Patrick says

Where do you store it? A long gun safe?

Occasionally we have children here, and I want to be damn sure no one can get at it but me.

Trigger locks are good also.

WineHorror1 says

Yep, 12 gauge recoil is for real. Don't let your wife shoot unless she is a sturdy woman.

Yup, I remember that, and the unbelievable noise.

Wife is 5"3 and 110lbs. Maybe I should get her a tiny shotgun.

Patrick says

Wife is 5"3 and 110lbs. Maybe I should get her a tiny shotgun.

I want a taurus judge - hand held 5 shooter 410 shotgun. She might like it too, as a pistol might be easier to maneuver in close quarters, assuming she can deal with the weight and recoil. But, Both the 3" and 6.5" barrel versions are so short, they spread the shot quickly, making it real easy to hit a moving target in close range.

Not allowed in commiefornia though.

Patrick says

WineHorror1 says

Yep, 12 gauge recoil is for real. Don't let your wife shoot unless she is a sturdy woman.

Yup, I remember that, and the unbelievable noise.

Wife is 5"3 and 110lbs. Maybe I should get her a tiny shotgun.

Short barrel 20 gauge would be nice.

If this is true they are starting to actively murder American citizens.

Fauci, the FDA, NIH, and CDC have been actively murdering American citizens for a long time now by continuing the EUA for the dangerous vaxx even though Ivermectin is provably effective and available.

It's just far too inexpensive for their taste.

What's next? Are they going to make you walk your horse into TSC so that you can prove your horse paste is not being used "off-label'?

zzyzzx says

Well, that sucks. I have a package enroute from India right now. We'll see.
The repression here is so extreme, they really are intent on completely alienating a significant segment of the population.
I think what they really want is blow-back from that, so that then they can REALLY crack down.

Robert Sproul says

I think what they really want is blow-back from that, so that then they can REALLY crack down.

I also think that.

But what they seem likely to get is blow-back from the families of the dead employees of Google and Facebook who were mandated to die or lose their jobs. Wait a few months...

Patrick says

Wife is 5"3 and 110lbs. Maybe I should get her a tiny shotgun.

20 gauge is about the max I would go with a woman that size. The 410 is for sure good.

If you can get a pistol caliber carbine, that would be even better. Things are getting crazy right now because of the new Russian ammo import ban. This ban basically cut off 40% of the ammo consumed by US gun owners. You have to decide on a caliber to get and it may be something you have no choice in. You have to get a gun chambered in a caliber that you can get. I would even consider one of those goofy looking Rossi wheel carbines if I were in your situation (they can shoot 410 or 45 Colt).

https://rossiusa.com/firearms/circuit-judge

If you can get a standard Glock or 1911, you can get a Mechtech carbine slide for it.

https://mechtechsys.com/

Check out the pawn shops (out of state included if you travel) and see if you can find an old Hi-Point 995 (9mm) or 4595 (45 ACP). You can legally buy a long gun in any state. You cannot however buy a handgun at an out of state FFL. You have to have a handgun shipped to a FFL in CA if you find it out of state.

I know that the 38 Super is very popular south of the border but not popular here in the USA. I just bought a Rock Island Armory 1911 chambered in 38 Super (California compliant). I know Aguila and Armscor makes ammo for it. Super 38 out performs 9 mm and the Super 38 is a native caliber for the 1911.

The 1911 uses a single action trigger and many people (me included) prefer it over a striker fired handgun. Striker fired handguns like the Glock are fine if you train to it.

If your goal is to defeat body armor, you have to go with a rifle. Another possible solution for armored home invaders would be a lever gun chambered in 45-70 or a good semi-auto Bushmaster 450.

An old Marlin 336 chambered in 357 magnum or 30-30 can be a good HD carbine with enough practice.

thenuttyneutron says

I would even consider one of those goofy looking Rossi wheel carbines if I were in your situation (they can shoot 410 or 45 Colt).

https://rossiusa.com/firearms/circuit-judge

Good call, I am going with that one paired with two Bond Arms 45/410 Derringers. For happy fun playtime, maybe a 9mm Pistol Caliber Carbine (or two, one for spares).

https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html

Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases

A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph symbolizes the victory of reason over corruption, good over evil, and right over wrong. It is as significant as David’s victory over Goliath. It is an absolute vindication of Ivermectin and early outpatient treatment. It is a clear refutation of the WHO, FDA, NIH, and CDC's policies of "wait at home until you turn blue" before you get treatment.

thenuttyneutron says

If you can get a standard Glock or 1911, you can get a Mechtech carbine slide for it.

https://mechtechsys.com/

Damn, now that is cool.

https://twitter.com/brenontheroad/status/1429624844379824129#m

Bren
@brenontheroad
Tokyo's Medical Assoc. Chairman holds live press conference recommending #ivermectin to all doctors, for all Covid patients.

Japan's government is one of the most conservative and cautious in the world. Data is clear. Huge news.

This was from February. Are they using it?

https://twitter.com/Max1190000091/status/1430855133076799488#m

Patrick says

I used to shoot shotguns a bit as a teen on a friend's farm.

@Patrick - going through a safety course is regardless a good idea. I grew up around guns as a kid, but I'd still recommend a safety course.

My grandfather was a hunter. I was conditioned to think that a gun is always loaded, is always about to go off by accident, and anything I point at will be shot. I have been conditioned to the point that I'm uncomfortable pointing a toy gun at a person and that's a good thing.

Go to a shooting range. A LOT are closed because of this "pandemic"... Take your wife with you. I suspect I know how she thinks, that harming somebody and even possibly killing them is disgustingly repulsive to her. That is not how a criminal thinks. If she had to shoot and kill a possibly violent criminal, she's doing society a favor and I understand she would probably view this as repulsive thinking. It's just the world as it is.

Your wife will VERY likely enjoy shooting, once she does it. She has to stop thinking "this kills people" and start thinking "this is powerful, but I won't abuse that power".

Airguns I think are entirely unregulated I believe in all of the United States. Airguns aren't toys either, they are still used as a sniper's weapon. I don't know if they can be charged indefinitely though, but I DO know, they can easily kill a human being. Fully automatic airguns exist. They have lower muzzle velocity so range is more limited, but I don't think you're looking for long range.

Airguns are also quieter - but they aren't quiet. If you shot a .44 magnum without ear protection, you'd be deaf for a minimum of several minutes. That's not good in a dangerous situation.

richwicks says

going through a safety course is regardless a good idea

Yes, I'll do that. Thanks.

richwicks says

If you shot a .44 magnum without ear protection, you'd be deaf for a minimum of several minutes. That's not good in a dangerous situation.

Good point. That's quite a dilemma. I remember with the guns we used back then that it was like switching off your hearing and replacing it with a loud ringing sound for a while. Not sure what to do about that in an emergency situation. Might not have time to find and put on ear protection at that moment, and it would also weaken your ability to hear what's going on.

Patrick says

Good point. That's quite a dilemma. I remember with the guns we used back then that it was like switching off your hearing and replacing it with a loud ringing sound for a while. Not sure what to do about that in an emergency situation. Might not have time to find and put on ear protection at that moment, and it would also weaken your ability to hear what's going on.

Some people say that a 0.22 is better to use in a situation. Not as likely to kill, but it sure hurts. When I was a kid a 0.22 wouldn't leave me deaf, but that was 40 years ago.

You don't have to kill, you have to stop, and people can work through pain, in that event, you have to possibly kill.

richwicks says

She has to stop thinking "this kills people" and start thinking "this is powerful, but I won't abuse that power".

You're no fun at all.

Ceffer says

richwicks says

She has to stop thinking "this kills people" and start thinking "this is powerful, but I won't abuse that power".

You're no fun at all.

A weapon is a serious thing, and anybody that wields one should understand that. It's deadly serious, literally and figuratively.

Remember when Oscar Pistorius killed his girlfriend by shooting her when she was locked in the bathroom? He most likely did that in rage, after an argument. He was just very angry, and didn't really consider the consequences of his actions.

Treat a gun like a bomb. It may not just kill another person, once it kills that person, it might very well kill you. Pistorius is likely to die in poverty. He destroyed his life with that killing over what was most likely some goddamned argument. I'm sure he regrets what he did, but he ended a life. Fuck him.

I strongly believe in the 2nd amendment, but it's quite a power to be able to take a life. You better be sane to own such a weapon. Pistorius I think had a mental break for a few minutes. You can't do that if you have such a weapon.

https://ivmmeta.com/

Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 72% [55‑82%] and 86% [75‑92%] improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis, with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis and restriction to peer-reviewed studies or Randomized Controlled Trials.

https://www.mountainhomemag.com/2021/05/01/356270/the-drug-that-cracked-covid

Now Dr. Madejski, who has treated Glenna for fourteen years, prescribed a full course of Ivermectin to complete the treatment, and was denied. The ICU doctors and Rochester General refused to administer the medication because Ivermectin isn’t approved to treat COVID-19 by the FDA (the budget of which, as it happens, is 75 percent funded by big pharmaceutical companies). Another state supreme court judge, relying on the science provided by Pierre Kory and the FLCCC, ordered the hospital to dispense a handful more of the pills, per the doctor’s script, and Glenna got off the ventilator and is now home, cured of COVID-19.

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Dr. Eric Osgood MD
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Aug 26
So pharmacies are all now requiring dx codes for IVM. Wont fill if c19 related. Naturally if you are concerned about use of veterinary products, what you want to do is aggressively cut off human grade use under medical supervision. This sort of strategy has always worked out well
1:09 PM · Aug 29, 2021

@Hoglitosis
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Replying to @RWMaloneMD
Why is this happening?

JTRFootball
@JTRFootball
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Because our Country is controlled by BlackRock, who is the 3rd largest shareholder in Moderna and Pfizer

https://twitter.com/Hoglitosis/status/1431967171228413957#m