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Patrick says

I asked, but the place did not have the Mossberg 500. I was ready to buy, so I bought anyway.

If you are limited to one..

Patrick says

I asked, but the place did not have the Mossberg 500. I was ready to buy, so I bought anyway.

Oh yeah! Enough thinking and talking. Just "pull the trigger"! So to speak. Everything works out from there!

Hi Patrick,

when I got interested in firearms for hunting animals, I took these NRA-sanctioned firearms safety classes at Reed's Indoor Range in Santa Clara.

These are superb classes for novices like us. The instructor Bill Tidwell had some hands-on instruction; we all got to try out the different loading procedures for different types of actions (with dummy loads, of course). We made it a family affair, bringing along my adult kids and their mom.

Bill is a great instructor and conversationalist. He was respectful of my self-identified left coast liberal views.

http://train2besafe.com/

Like Sunnyvale said, Coyote Sporting Clays is a great place to get some practice. You can get an instructor for private lesson. We did this before our Dove Hunt. It was loads of fun and helpful for the Hunt.

B.A.C.A.H. says

I took these NRA-sanctioned firearms safety classes at Reed's Indoor Range in Santa Clara.

I took Hunter Safety and got certification during Jr. High, part of Shop Class.
I got a 4/10 shotgun for Christmas that year, and was fanaticizing about all of the critters I was going to shoot with it, while I was wiping it down with gun oil one night in my bedroom. I didn't empty the breach when I left the woods earlier that day,
And pulled the trigger through my bedroom door, and the shot carried right down the hall. Lucky no one was in the hallway at the time.
I violated to important rules that day. Always make sure you empty the chamber, and never pull the trigger with an empty gun, as I expected it was.

It took me a long time to get that gun back.

Ruby Ridge gave me so many nightmares that every time I hear word shotgun I think of that where Feds shot a child in the back and an unarmed woman holding a baby.

What are my choices?

Remaining unarmed seems more dangerous at this point.

Patrick says

What are my choices?

Remaining unarmed seems more dangerous at this point.

Many dogs were homeless or abandoned after Katrina hit. They formed packs and roamed the city. They were hungry and stressed. They attacked people. They killed people. Some people they killed were eaten by them. Law enforcement and national guard could not be everywhere at the same time. A shotgun and some shells could save your life or the life of others.

The Loma Prieta Earthquake was a Call To Arms for me. If we had a quake with widespread destruction it could happen here with the dogs. I was lazy about it and didn't get any such PPE for decades till I got interested in hunting in recent years. But I think it's a good idea to have it.

B.A.C.A.H. says

If we had a quake with widespread destruction it could happen here with the dogs.

In that case you may be eating those dog as they try to eat you.

Isn't there a cleaner way to assassinate vaccinators and home invaders toot suite? What about the carpet and walls? I think maybe spear gun or crossbow.

One day when you go shooting, check the shot pattern on that new shotgun to see how wide the pattern is at various distances. You can change the choke to get more spread at shorter distances if desired, although there's limits to how much a choke can adjust the pattern.

26 is a pretty long barrel, which is usually what you use when you want to shoot from very far away as it concentrates the shot, instead of spreading it. I think generally one wants a shotgun to spread rapidly, making it much easier to hit targets at closer distances. That's why one reason why people saw the barrel short - so it spreads rapidly.

Right, but there are some problems with shorter barrels.

- I think it's a felony to saw off the shotgun.
- The shorter guns are much louder, per the guy at the gun store.
- Shorter guns are often not allowed at skeet ranges because of the noise.

But he said you can go to any federal land and shoot as much as you want.

Ceffer says

What about the carpet and walls?

Maybe.

Carpet and walls won't matter when it comes to that.

Like Hircus said, If you're Suburban or Urban, look under 20" barrel length. You might want to consider a "Firearm" like the Henry Axe or Black Aces Tactical Pro (in non-tactical Wood frame) anything with under an 18" barrel. Don't know if that's CA legal.

Ceffer says

Isn't there a cleaner way to assassinate vaccinators and home invaders toot suite? What about the carpet and walls? I think maybe spear gun or crossbow.

I was ironically thinking about this.

You could drill a hole in your door (not all the way through it, but almost all the way through), and embed a bullet in the hole. Then put a hammer next to the door. If you hit the back of the bullet, it should discharge.

You might want to test it.

I just daydream about this stuff, I'd never do it.

Crossbows can't be cocked for a long time.

A caustic fluid or pepper spray or something similar could give you enough time to bludgeon somebody to death with a brick.

They sell Pepper Spray now with a second "Practice Can" so you can see how far it goes IRL and get a feel for it.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Like Hircus said, If you're Suburban or Urban, look under 20" barrel length. You might want to consider a "Firearm" like the Henry Axe or Black Aces Tactical Pro (in non-tactical Wood frame) anything with under an 18" barrel. Don't know if that's CA legal.

18" is the min for CA I believe. One thing if you intend to shoot this at the range (trap/skeet) the range by me requires 24" min barrel length and no pistol grips. I'd probably buy a 28" barrel and then accessorize buying a shorter barrel and pistol grip for home use.

Good point, maybe the 26" barrel is too long to be practical for spinning around, but I'm probably not going to be spinning around.

I thought it was relatively short:

For our testing, we sought the middle ground and went with the new 20-gauge model that is built with a short field barrel measuring 26 inches.

https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2020/11/9/reviewed-rock-island-armory-all-generations-pump-action-shotgun

Just my opinion but, every man should own a gun. A man's #1 duty is protection.

WineHorror1 says

Just my opinion but, every man should own a gun. A man's #1 duty is protection.

Why stop at one? Isn't there always a reason to buy another? Shotgun, rifle and handgun. I have a 9mm but really want a 45, sounds like a dilemma. Solution? Buy a new gun. Wow that stainless 357 mag is super nice, buy a new gun. Make sure you have a safe large enough to allow for new additions to the Patrick gun family.

Patrick says

Good point, maybe the 26" barrel is too long to be practical for spinning around, but I'm probably not going to be spinning around.

just buy another fucking gun, you know as well as all of us that you will do it @Patrick

Lol, I suspect you're right already. @Bd6r

Patrick says

Lol, I suspect you're right already.

Of course, I went through it last year. You'll be surprised how easy your wife will agree, provided that it is not several guns per month and that you can give a BS argument why you need 2, then 3, then 5 guns at home.

Markleys in Watsonville has CZ guns you can shoot to try them out.

richwicks says

Crossbows can't be cocked for a long time.

Worse, crossbows probably shouldn't be strung for long periods of time. Stringing can be extremely difficult.

"A gun for the mood of every paranoid ideation!"

Hey, ain't you guys engineers?

How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon? A spring loaded device that shoots a bolt of some sort. If not a bolt, how about a charged capacitor that delivers a high voltage shock (got that idea from a "trick" my dad and his buddies would do - charge up a AA battery-sized jelly role capacitor, then while holding it by one of the end wires, toss it to someone saying "here, catch." The catcher would of course end up coming into contact with both wires while catching the capacitor and thus get zapped). How about super soaker type gun filled with Carolina Reaper juice?

HeadSet says

Hey, ain't you guys engineers?

How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon? A spring loaded device that shoots a bolt of some sort. If not a bolt, how about a charged capacitor that delivers a high voltage shock (got that idea from a "trick" my dad and his buddies would do - charge up a AA battery-sized jelly role capacitor, then while holding it by one of the end wires, toss it to someone saying "here, catch." The catcher would of course end up coming into contact with both wires while catching the capacitor and thus get zapped). How about super soaker type gun filled with Carolina Reaper juice?

buying gun is easier and more efficient methinks

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/08/27/shotgun-henry-x-model-410-lever-action/

HeadSet says

How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon? A spring loaded device that shoots a bolt of some sort.

The main reason to make your own weapon at home is to take advantage of "gun buyback" programs.

Well played, sir!
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/22/5-homemade-shotguns-handed-100-gun-give-back/

Bd6r says

How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon?

Ever watch the movie Death Wish 3? One guy is using a home-made shotgun.

Patrick says

What are my choices?

Remaining unarmed seems more dangerous at this point.

Shotguns are fine, best for home defense.

I prefer Glock 26 if you can get a CCW permit. Small and easy to conceal. Wife can use it too, no safety clip either, so not having to worry about having to do anything in emergency. And there are really good ways to hide it in and have it easily accessible in case someone busts through the door unexpectedly.

Seems I'm not alone in my worry that the leftists are about to get very violent. Even more violent than leftists usually are.

Darren
@DarrenOverton2
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Replying to @RWMaloneMD
It’s beyond that now Robert, it’s getting sinister now. This is going to end badly

Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
10h
I fear you are correct. Priced a 12 gage the other day...

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1431717611042181123#m

Tenpoundbass says

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/08/27/shotgun-henry-x-model-410-lever-action/

Yup. That's on my list. I'm going for the Henry Axe though.

It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.

If you are talking about the centuries old concoction of charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter, then yes, you can make it at home. No so sure abut the nitroglycerin based modern smokeless powders, though.

HeadSet says

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.

If you are talking about the centuries old concoction of charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter, then yes, you can make it at home. No so sure abut the nitroglycerin based modern smokeless powders, though.

Nitrocellulose? Nitroglycerin is a bit more unstable.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/29/cdc-spend-millions-taxpayer-dollars-gun-health-threat/

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Yup. That's on my list. I'm going for the Henry Axe though.

It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.

easier to buy 1000 shells and store them, black powder will eat your gun

Bd6r says

black powder will eat your gun

Not if you wash it with hot water and soap. No kidding.

FuckCCP89 says

Not if youbwash it with hot water and soap. No kidding.

and one needs to make primer as well, which is non trivial chemically as in not blowing your arms off

HeadSet says

No so sure abut the nitroglycerin based modern smokeless powders, though.

Do NOT attempt to make nitroglycerin. You have to make it in an ice bath, and it's extremely volatile, meaning easy to set off.

This is why I'm interested in compressed gas weapons. They are not explosive, and they are as safe as a gun can be.

Bullets have a self life, compressed gas weapons do not. They are subsonic, which means any target will hear the shot before they are hit by it, but that time is measured in under 1 second. Supersonic weapons, the target hears it AFTER the projectile either hits or passes them.

Compressed gas weapons fire projectiles at near sonic speeds, so there isn't any time to react. No smoke because no ignition.