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porkchopexpress says

Would taking Ivermectin help at all or should I just stick to the supplements?

Keep Ivermectin in the frig for emergency use.

Realize, it's a xenobiotic and not natural for your system. This is also why I rotate between enteric coated Aspirin and White Willow Bark, 1 day on and then 2 days on for the other.

I've found that my base supplements work, but then, I jack up the Allisure Allicin and Quercetin Phytosome, at the first sign of anything. Last winter, I inhaled 10 degree air one night for some time & felt a bit beat and was worried I was going to get pneumonia so I cranked up the Allisure Allicin from 100 mg to 1000 mg and the Quercetin from 250 mg to 2000 mg. Well, nothing happened in the day after.

And don't buy Alpha Lipoic Acid, only R-Lipoic Acid because the Alpha Lipoic Acid is a cheaper formulation which has a xenobiotic, L-Lipoic Acid, in its fold. They're isomers of each other and the cheap vitamin makers don't focus on the separation technologies and try to pawn the cheaper batch onto the unsuspecting public.

Rin says

I've found that my base supplements work, but then, I jack up the Allisure Allicin and Quercetin Phytosome, at the first sign of anything.

For Turmeric with Bioperin, do you have a brand you recommend? Thorne has this version but no Bioperin:
https://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Curcumin-Phytosome-Supplement/dp/B01D8V075U/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=turmeric%2Bbioperine%2Bthorne&qid=1630004549&sr=8-8&th=1

One reviewer said that Bioperin isn't needed for absorption because this curcumin is bound to phospholipids

porkchopexpress says

One reviewer said that Bioperin isn't needed for absorption because this curcumin is bound to phospholipids

Sounds good, however, here's a simple way to even solve that problem. Take an actual peppercorn, a whole corn and not ground black pepper, mashed it up, put it on a spoonful of coconut oil, and swallow it. And then, take your Curcumin pill.

For me, I have an herbalist, in the city of Boston, dry, mash, and suspend my turmeric root with peppercorn and some olive oil, making a paste. I've personally liked this over the tablet formulations.

Rin says

If Novavax comes out, that's probably the best one, otherwise, J&J. The key is to avoid any mRNA vax whether it's Pfizer, Moderna, or a new kid on the block trying to make a buck.

If the vaccine is delivered by an adenovirus or rhinovirus, then you have everything in your war chest to beat it.

Rin - why is Novavax better than J&J? My understanding is that it's not an adenovirus vector but they're basically injecting spike protein into your body from moth cells. So, it would make sense that supplements and anti-virals would work better against J&J, correct?

porkchopexpress says

Rin says

If Novavax comes out, that's probably the best one, otherwise, J&J. The key is to avoid any mRNA vax whether it's Pfizer, Moderna, or a new kid on the block trying to make a buck.

If the vaccine is delivered by an adenovirus or rhinovirus, then you have everything in your war chest to beat it.

Rin - why is Novavax better than J&J? My understanding is that it's not an adenovirus vector but they're basically injecting spike protein into your body from moth cells. So, it would make sense that supplements and anti-virals would work better against J&J, correct?

You want to neutralize the harmful effects of the spike protein mainly. The Novavax vaccine will have lesser amounts of s proteins than the mrna or viral vector agents generate, and it's also better dispersed, they have an adjuvant that elicits the immune response for a lesser amount of s protein. It's still harmful but significantly less than the current agents. Still with no data on how it will be stacking up against delta and future variants and the risk of ADE the question whether to take it should be made by each individual for themselves.

mell says

You want to neutralize the harmful effects of the spike protein mainly. The Novavax vaccine will have lesser amounts of s proteins than the mrna or viral vector agents generate, and it's also better dispersed, they have an adjuvant that elicits the immune response for a lesser amount of s protein.

Yes, lower amounts and Que is good at binding the S protein and getting it out of the system so that it doesn't build up to cytotoxic levels.

mell says

Still with no data on how it will be stacking up against delta and future variants

Doesn't matter because so far, no one's found a vaccine for the common cold so our natural immunity plus Que/Vita C/Vita D/Zinc/R-Lipoic Acid already deliver a knockout blow to any cold out there just like it does for the Covid variants Delta, Lambda, and all the other Greek letters.

mell says

porkchopexpress says

Rin says

If Novavax comes out, that's probably the best one, otherwise, J&J. The key is to avoid any mRNA vax whether it's Pfizer, Moderna, or a new kid on the block trying to make a buck.

If the vaccine is delivered by an adenovirus or rhinovirus, then you have everything in your war chest to beat it.

Rin - why is Novavax better than J&J? My understanding is that it's not an adenovirus vector but they're basically injecting spike protein into your body from moth cells. So, it would make sense that supplements and anti-virals would work better against J&J, correct?

You want to neutralize the harmful effects of the spike protein mainly. The Novavax vaccine will have lesser amounts of s proteins than the mrna or viral vector agents generate, and it's also better dispersed, t...

I didn't know that...thanks. From Rin's explanation, which made sense to me, why not neutralize the J&J virus BEFORE it can even generate the spike protein response in our cells? Then, you don't even have to worry about neutralizing the spike protein because we did so upstream in the process. Am I thinking about it wrong?

porkchopexpress says

neutralizing the spike protein

It's still good for the Quercetin to do its job of mopping up the trash in the environment.

porkchopexpress says

mell says

porkchopexpress says

Rin says

If Novavax comes out, that's probably the best one, otherwise, J&J. The key is to avoid any mRNA vax whether it's Pfizer, Moderna, or a new kid on the block trying to make a buck.

If the vaccine is delivered by an adenovirus or rhinovirus, then you have everything in your war chest to beat it.

Rin - why is Novavax better than J&J? My understanding is that it's not an adenovirus vector but they're basically injecting spike protein into your body from moth cells. So, it would make sense that supplements and anti-virals would work better against J&J, correct?

You want to neutralize the harmful effects of the spike protein mainly. The Novavax vaccine will have lesser amounts of s proteins...

I think that's part of Rin's plan when taking a viral vector vaccine but I don't think it works for mrna based vaccines. But at least half of the stuff on his list looks like inflammation and clot prevention to me.

mell says

I don't think it works for mrna based vaccines.

mRNA vaxxes are stealth bombers. There's no way for the body to determine that they are not "food stuffs", to take the proper action.

I guess I thought that supplements like Quercetin and Zinc, which work to kill viruses in cells, would theoretically yield the best results in an adenovirus vaccine because the virus would be killed before it could cause the body to make Spike protein. It would also seem that an anti-viral like Ivermectin would yield good results here too. Why try to clean up the mess of a bomb going off if you can diffuse the bomb in the first place? This is why I found Rin's original plan to be brilliant.

mell says

I think that's part of Rin's plan when taking a viral vector vaccine but I don't think it works for mrna based vaccines.

Exactly right. The mRNA vaccines are not a viable option. I'm only speaking to mitigating the action of the J&J as yielding the best results for someone who already has natural immunity and is being forced to take a vaccine.

Rin says

For me, I have an herbalist, in the city of Boston, dry, mash, and suspend my turmeric root with peppercorn and some olive oil, making a paste. I've personally liked this over the tablet formulations.

That's the way to go. Tumeric only works for 2 or 3 weeks once it's been ground. Those large bottles of the powder are nearly worthless unless you're just going for color and flavor in cooking.

If you want to be blown away, watch this 3 minute clip by Dr. Robert Malone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33K9KrOMlg

@theoakman Can you find that clip on a non-YouTube site?

People, the shithead is back! The Great Anthony Fauci is telling you ... not to take Ivermectin

https://www.ibtimes.com/what-ivermectin-dr-fauci-warns-against-taking-horse-drug-covid-treatment-amid-tragic-3283389

Tony says: "And it could potentially have toxicity, as you just mentioned, with people who have gone to poison control centers because they’ve taken the drug at a ridiculous dose and wind up getting sick," he explained. “There is no clinical evidence that indicates that this works."

Rin responds to Tony: "Hey dickweed, you've had your chance. Now, go back to your hole in Brooklyn and die of natural causes, because by law, I can't advocate anyone to take your life. Dude, you're useless and let's face it, you've made America's great NIH into the National Banana Republic Institute of Health, the N(BR)IH!"

Patrick, I cannot. In fact, it's 4 years old and doesn't have many views in the grand scheme of things. I randomly came across it and was blown away.

I found a transcript, which is just as good. Keep in mind, this was said 2 years prior to Wuhan.


Robert Malone, MD, MS, CEO/CSO of Atheric Pharmaceuticals, LLC, discusses the benefits of repurposing drugs for emerging infectious diseases rather than going down the very long, costly road of developing new ones.

Interview Transcript (slightly modified for readability)

“What we’ve learned in the modern world is that the timelines for developing a new drug and the cost of either a new drug or a vaccine keep going up and up and up. So, unfortunately we’re now at a point where, to bring a new drug to market, or a new vaccine to market, it takes more than 10 years, and typically more than a billion dollars. Now, we can talk about why that is and that’s kind of not our [purpose] to solve the problems with regulatory strategies, but the truth is that it’s just become a burden.

What we’ve seen, particularly with infectious disease and emerging infectious disease, is that the pharmaceutical companies can’t make a profit on any of these emerging infectious diseases, which is why they’re increasingly disinterested; we call it ‘outbreak fatigue.’ So, the whole business model of how we develop medical countermeasures for emerging infectious diseases is broken.

One of the only ways out of the woods that many people have started to think about and develop, both for oncology and infectious disease, is to recognize that we now have a rich pharmacopeia of compounds with different mechanisms of action and the [National Institutes of Health] NIH and others have done a great job of testing the various mechanisms of action and listing this all in a public database, so you can find this on PubChem and other resources. One now can look at all of the compounds that exist, that have been licensed, for which we already have safety data, we already know how to manufacture, we already know how to dose, and figure out which of those compounds have mechanisms of action that are likely to interact with a virus and block its ability to replicate in tissue. If we can find compounds, and combinations of compounds, that have those activities of acting against viral host cell pathways, then the pathway for licensure and the cost drops from a decade or more and a billion dollars or more down to in the range of 3 years and about $50 million; that’s a huge difference.

Now, it’s not fast enough because as Zika teaches us, some of these emerging infectious diseases move extremely rapidly. In our case, it’s taken us about a year to just come up with solid compounds that are good candidates that meet all of our criteria (of being able to be used in pregnancies, etc.) but that’s the reason for repurposing: our current business model in regulatory pathways for new drug and new vaccine development are a complete mismatch for emerging infectious disease in terms of time and cost and we have to find a new solution.

Also, behind that is the threat of engineered pathogens, which is really a very similar type of threat, so for all of these things, the government, the World Health Organization, all nations now, really have to find a better system. We hope that what we’ve done in learning how to repurpose drugs, working with the army and the National Cancer Institute, is giving us lessons and a path forward that will allow us to do this much more efficiently.”

theoakman says

I found a transcript, which is just as good. Keep in mind, this was said 2 years prior to Wuhan.


Robert Malone, MD, MS, CEO/CSO of Atheric Pharmaceuticals, LLC, discusses the benefits of repurposing drugs for emerging infectious diseases rather than going down the very long, costly road of developing new ones.

Interview Transcript (slightly modified for readability)

“What we’ve learned in the modern world is that the timelines for developing a new drug and the cost of either a new drug or a vaccine keep going up and up and up. So, unfortunately we’re now at a point where, to bring a new drug to market, or a new vaccine to market, it takes more than 10 years, and typically more than a billion dollars. Now, we can talk about why that is and that’s kind of not our [purpose] to solve the problems with regulatory strategies, but the truth is that it’s just become a burden.

What we’ve seen, particularly with infectious disease and emerging infectious disease,...

I think you are posting this as affirmation that repurposing is the goal. It could almost be read as the goal is computer generated solutions for infections. I know the word "computer" will not be found in this transcript but, it makes me think this is where it is going. If Sars-Cov 2, in fact, has not been isolated as some say and instead a computer generated/guessed the missing "pieces", maybe this non-vax was the first test to solving virus problems via computer generated vaxes. Am I in La La Land?

Patrick says

@theoakman Can you find that clip on a non-YouTube site?

@Patrick - I got it:


original link

Woot! Thanks @richwicks

And thanks @theoakman for the transcript. I usually prefer to read than to watch videos anyway.

theoakman says

Interview Transcript (slightly modified for readability)

I dumped in the transcript as well, in the comments.