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WookieMan says

yet we still have a high rate of cases her in IL.

Cases is a red herring. Fuck cases.

Onvacation says

And they find pie charts unconvincing.

@Onvacation Where is the data for that pie chart from? And what time frame? Thanks!

Eric Holder says

WookieMan says

yet we still have a high rate of cases her in IL.

Cases is a red herring. Fuck cases.

You're not wrong. It's part of the data to examine things though. While a district is being forced to wear masks and the infection rate is the same as the general population, it's legit scientific evidence. Masks don't work. Many adults are vaccinated, yet infection rate is similar between masked kids at the school and mostly unmasked adults in my area.

There's plenty of math and data to prove this is bull shit. Problem is you get censored. Even more telling that it's all bull shit.

Eric Holder says

WookieMan says

yet we still have a high rate of cases her in IL.

Cases is a red herring. Fuck cases.

Another red herring is hospitalizations. It's already been revealed that almost half of people hospitalized with covid were admitted for some other reason and simply tested positive for the coof because it's a SOP now to test everybody.

Onvacation says

I mentioned that 95% of Covid-19 deaths were from people over 50. An acquaintance responded, "So you think it's okay for all the old people to die, SMH!"

Point out it's a strawman. They are strawmanning your statement.

Don't allow people to put words in your mouth.

People eventually have to die, the question to me is, is it worth it to kill children to save more adults? That's assuming these vaccines have ANY efficacy at all. If that's what these vaccines did, I'd say no. If I was forced to make the choice of killing myself, my mother, or a RANDOM child of 5 years old, I guarantee that 5 year old kid isn't going to die.

mell says

Onvacation says

And they find pie charts unconvincing.

@Onvacation Where is the data for that pie chart from? And what time frame? Thanks!

From CDC as of mid August for that chart. The numbers are changing slightly since then but still a vast majority of Covid deaths are from old people.

richwicks says

People eventually have to die, the question to me is, is it worth it to kill children to save more adults? That's assuming these vaccines have ANY efficacy at all.

Really there isn't much else to this. Adults will and should be allowed to make adult decisions. If the vaccines work, you're free to take it. No one is stopping you. Covid doesn't kill kids and we have no clue long term effects for the vaccine. The young should not take this for now. It kind of amazes me. We have decades old vaccines we know work, but it's okay to deny getting it for truly terrible diseases. This vaccine, you just have to take it or be fucked over.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/denmark-and-sweden-covid-vaccination?token=patrick.net

so again, as we saw in israel and palestine and mongolia (though to a far lesser extent) we see vaccines driving a short term surge in cases and in deaths.

The CCP virus was developed on the side as a biological weapon. It is extremely contagious, but it lacks a lethal payload. That's why nothing works. We should consider ourselves fortunate that the CCP lost control before they could attach a very (99.9999%) deadly payload.

Doesn't anyone wonder why the the coof has a a 10,000 ratio of IFR between infants and 70+? It's a incomplete vector for biowarfare. Anyone with a healthy immune system is effectively asymptomatic, because the virus lacks the traditional viral payload, and can be neutralized before it gets to do too much damage. The only lesson that should be learned from this disaster is that we absolutely cannot trust the CCP; furthermore, that all GOF should be banned as illegal bioweapons of mass destruction.

I think all gain-of-function research is already illegal, but Felonious Fauci did it anyway, using US taxpayer dollars.

NEW YORK (AP) — Hospitals and nursing homes in New York are bracing for the possibility that a statewide COVID-19 vaccine mandate for health care workers could lead to staff shortages when it takes effect Monday.

Doctors and nurses — and also support staff, like food service workers and cleaners — have been given until Sept. 27 to get at least their first vaccine shot in one of the nation's most aggressive plans to protect patients.

With just days left to go before the deadline, many still hadn't. That left the prospect of potentially thousands of health care workers being forced off the job next week.

With no sign of Gov. Kathy Hochul backing down, hospitals and nursing homes were preparing contingency plans that included cutting back on elective surgeries and, at one hospital, halting maternity services. Nursing homes were limiting admissions. The state's largest health care provider, Northwell Health, was keeping thousands of volunteers on standby.

"We would like to see some more time to be able to comply and implement the vaccine mandate, because at the end of the day it's a situation where we're very concerned about our ability to care for the patients," said Tom Quatroche, CEO of the Erie County Medical Center Corporation, which operates a busy 573-bed hospital in Buffalo.

It anticipates that about 10% of its workforce, or 400 staff members, might still not be vaccinated by Monday. Under a contingency plan, the hospital said it would suspend elective inpatient surgeries, temporarily stop accepting ICU transfers from other institutions and reduce hours at outpatient clinics.

Hochul, a Democrat, held firm on the deadline Thursday, telling reporters at a news conference that there were "no excuses" for those refusing to abide by the mandate, announced this summer.

"Every single person who is in your care has the right to know that there is no chance they will be infected by the person in charge of protecting them and their health," she said Thursday.

New York is not the only state to require health care workers to get vaccinated. But it has been especially aggressive in pushing for wider vaccinations to help limit the spread of the virus in a place that was once the center of the ongoing global pandemic.
A N.Y. Hospital Will Stop Delivering Babies As Workers Quit Over A Vaccine Mandate
Health


Earlier this week, a judge refused to halt New York City's plan to require teachers in the country's largest public school system to get vaccinated, a mandate that is also to begin Monday.

That looming deadline was also raising concerns about potentially thousands of teachers and school staff being suspended Monday.

United Federation of Teachers President Michael Mulgrew on Thursday asked the city to delay the rule, saying "our schools are not ready."

Mayor Bill de Blasio, a Democrat, said he was confident holdouts would get the shot this weekend rather than face a loss of pay. And if not, he said, "we have thousands and thousands of vaccinated experienced substitute teachers ready to go."
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/24/1040345626/ny-hospitals-worry-about-staff-shortages-as-monday-vaccine-deadline-approaches

COVID is so precious to the Elite that they are willing to go against the least whim of the Teacher's Union!

"Every single person who is in your care has the right to know that there is no chance they will be infected by the person in charge of protecting them and their health," she said Thursday.

Every pro jab argument is based on the totally false premise that the shot prevents Covid. The CDC even admits that the Covid shot does not stop the jabbed from catching, carrying, or spreading Covid. That should be the response every time some uninformed clown mentions the jab to stop Covid.

A relative is a teacher in NY. She's pregnant but still required to take the jab. She refuses and was fired 3 days ago.

WineHorror1 says

A relative is a teacher in NY. She's pregnant but still required to take the jab. She refuses and was fired 3 days ago.

She should sue the district and she'll 100% win. That is a no doubter. If the UK let in my SIL while pregnant and unvaccinated with their draconian rules, she has a case here in the states.

That's absurd to an expecting mother to take something that we have ZERO knowledge of long term effects. If she's healthy enough to carry a child she can handle getting covid. We simply have ZERO clue about the influence of a vaccine on an unborn child. There hasn't been enough data. Dystopia and twilight zone continue.

WookieMan says

WineHorror1 says

A relative is a teacher in NY. She's pregnant but still required to take the jab. She refuses and was fired 3 days ago.

She should sue the district and she'll 100% win. That is a no doubter. If the UK let in my SIL while pregnant and unvaccinated with their draconian rules, she has a case here in the states.

That's absurd to an expecting mother to take something that we have ZERO knowledge of long term effects. If she's healthy enough to carry a child she can handle getting covid. We simply have ZERO clue about the influence of a vaccine on an unborn child. There hasn't been enough data. Dystopia and twilight zone continue.

Seems I am wrong. I just received this text from my father in law...

"It hasn't happened yet. And she's not being fired.
She's being put on a voluntary, unpaid 'leave of absence' for one year, with health insurance.
A federal court is now reviewing the whole thing. This thing changes day by day, if not hourly. Stay tuned."

They're playing this game, worldwide, where they dance around actually "firing" people. In Italy the government is trying to force businesses to withhold pay from employees and prevent them from working under threat of fine. Just a pathetic, underhanded end-run around legalities.

The corruption, lies, and hypocrisy is so blatant that I have little to no respect for people who still refuse to see this after it is pointed out. They are completely lost.

WineHorror1 says

She's being put on a voluntary, unpaid 'leave of absence' for one year, with health insurance.

I don't like the "voluntary" part. Doesn't it prevent one from filing for UE? I think it does.

Eric Holder says

WineHorror1 says

She's being put on a voluntary, unpaid 'leave of absence' for one year, with health insurance.

I don't like the "voluntary" part. Doesn't it prevent one from filing for UE? I think it does.

I think that has been a rumor for the most part. Unless the employer writes them up for gross violation they get UE (same for SS).

WineHorror1 says

unpaid 'leave of absence' for one year

Semantics. She's been fired because she's concerned about an unborn child and doesn't want the vaccine which is 1,000% logical. I know you quoted leave of absence, but you're correct still, she's been canned. Such a shitty situation dude. I wish her the best and I hope she nails them to the wall.

With regards to UE, either way, it's less than she would get paid. She's pregnant for fucks sake and they toss her on the street so to speak. Fucking cowardly. I've dealt with something similar with my wife. It was contentious and her employer is fine now, but you. do. not. fuck. with. a. pregnant. woman.

9 months of nothing, booze, smokes, etc. and you've got a human in your gut. Seems pretty fucking miserable to me (not that you need those things, just can't have them at all) And then to get likely fired for not taking a vaccine with a human in you and have zero data on pregnant women being vaccinated and effects on unborn children is fucking insane. This comment pisses me off big time. I'm legit upset. So sick of this shit. You've had the worst of Covid Wine. I hope it gets better.

WookieMan says

That's absurd to an expecting mother to take something that we have ZERO knowledge of long term effects.

Remember Thalidomide!

It is insane to demand that pregnant women take another drug with no long-term studies.

Nuttboxer was right not to tell his employer about whether or not he chose to get the jab(s). And this mother is right to stand her ground and refuse the jab(s). But what I wonder is this, at what point does it become necessary for the rest of the people to start holding the bullies accountable for terminating innocent people, expelling innocent students, and perpetuating crimes against humanity by coercing people to take shots they don’t want?

PeopleUnited says

Nuttboxer was right not to tell his employer about whether or not he chose to get the jab(s). And this mother is right to stand her ground and refuse the jab(s). But what I wonder is this, at what point does it become necessary for the rest of the people to start holding the bullies accountable for terminating innocent people, expelling innocent students, and perpetuating crimes against humanity by coercing people to take shots they don’t want?

Somebody will snap and go postal on their asses. Which, of course, will be used as a pretext for more gun control.

Yeah, I'm speechless. America will never be the same. I've written off 10 out of 12 family members over this. They don't seem to understand the ramifications of allowing government total control over our lives.

The next letter will have four even more compelling reasons:
1. The gestapo won’t bust down your door in the middle of the night and vax rape you.
2. The school won’t expel you, and you can still have a chance to become a worker drone at the propaganda factory.
3. The firm won’t fire your mom and dad.
4. We won’t have to euthanize your grandparents (just kidding we are going to euthanize them regardless of how many times you get jabbed)

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/09/all-cause-mortality-rates-in-england.html

The UK Government's own data does not support the claims made for vaccine effectiveness/safety.

https://www.covidglobalnews.live/state-of-affairs/the-president-of-croatia-says-they-are-done-jabbing-they-are-not-going-to-do-it-any-more/

The president of Croatia Says They Are Done Jabbing. They Are Not Going To Do It Any More
September 25, 2021

WineHorror1 says

Yeah, I'm speechless. America will never be the same. I've written off 10 out of 12 family members over this. They don't seem to understand the ramifications of allowing government total control over our lives.

My mom is a covid Nazi. We're totally good, but I'm shocked at how stubborn she is about listening to reality. A lot of people have shocked me really that I thought were critical thinkers.

The data is out there. Masks haven't and don't work. That's the easy one. Vaccines don't work as we've just had a spike with supposedly 50-60% of the population vaccinated. How the hell does that happen if what you're preaching works? This isn't complicated. It's a mundane virus for the vast majority. Let it spread and protect the elderly if they so choose.

WookieMan says

My mom is a covid Nazi. We're totally good, but I'm shocked at how stubborn she is about listening to reality.

Does your mother support vax mandates?

Patrick says

https://www.covidglobalnews.live/state-of-affairs/the-president-of-croatia-says-they-are-done-jabbing-they-are-not-going-to-do-it-any-more/

The president of Croatia Says They Are Done Jabbing. They Are Not Going To Do It Any More
September 25, 2021

The question is, will he be Epsteined or JFK’d?

FuckCCP89 says

PeopleUnited says

Nuttboxer was right not to tell his employer about whether or not he chose to get the jab(s). And this mother is right to stand her ground and refuse the jab(s). But what I wonder is this, at what point does it become necessary for the rest of the people to start holding the bullies accountable for terminating innocent people, expelling innocent students, and perpetuating crimes against humanity by coercing people to take shots they don’t want?

Somebody will snap and go postal on their asses. Which, of course, will be used as a pretext for more gun control.

I’m concerned about this happening too, I sure hope not. But what I think we do need is 300 or 30,000 unarmed people mobbing the homes of leaders and businesses that are guilty of implementing these horrific mandates.

PeopleUnited says

But what I think we do need is 300 or 30,000 unarmed people mobbing the homes of leaders and businesses that are guilty of implementing these horrific mandates.

I do think this is exactly why we have the Second Amendment. To have some hope of fighting tyranny.

PeopleUnited says

But what I think we do need is 300 or 30,000 unarmed people mobbing the homes of leaders and businesses that are guilty of implementing these horrific mandates.

They will be gassed and shot with rubber bullets.... Now if 30,000 PEACEFUL but armed protesters showed up...

That's why it's excellent news that BLM is doing something good for a change:

https://reclaimthenet.org/blm-claims-vaccine-passports-are-being-used-to-propagate-racism/

I will immediately join any BLM protest against mandates.

Patrick says

I will immediately join any BLM protest against mandates.

Me too. I can do burn and loot part, but murder is a bridge too far for me though.

Well, there is a time and a place for everything, but I do think the initial attempts to encourage the “powers that be” to cease and desist with any mandates should be unarmed and peaceful.

Jeez, according to this if you get your D levels above the easily achieved 50 level YOU JUST WON’T DIE OF COVID.
Pfauci and the Godzillionaire Gates avoid the topic of actual public health at any cost.

“COVID-19 mortality risk correlates inversely with vitamin D3 status, and a mortality rate close to zero could theoretically be achieved at 50 ng/ml 25(OH)D3: Results of a systematic review and meta-analysis”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.22.21263977v1

WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

My mom is a covid Nazi. We're totally good, but I'm shocked at how stubborn she is about listening to reality.

Does your mother support vax mandates?

I try not to get into it too much. She's actually respectable in conversing about it, but she likely is a vax mandate person. She's almost 70. She's a huge mask person and will and does bitch publicly about people not wearing them. She's gotten the jab(s). I legit just tell her I don't fucking care, which is the truth and she knows it, so we don't fight on the topic.

As much as I love my mom, she is a simpleton. Not dumb as she was a teacher and got her masters. Book smarts isn't street smarts though. I'm honestly shocked how people will just blindly follow something. I'm an elected official. I attend other board meetings. I see the personalities. The federal government and state government are just bloated versions of that.

Nobody pays attention in most places or knows what it going on. Sure people listen to the news, but do you know your Congress critter? Likely no. You need $$$$ to get access. I've met my House Rep once. I'll never get close to Durbin or Tammy Fuckworth (senators). 80% of people have no care in the world to even meet or talk to these people that have the ability to make pretty big decisions regarding your life and even body.