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WineHorror1 says

Update on my parents: Dad told me this morning he turned the corner on Covid. The only thing he has taken for Covid was Ivermectin, Tylenol and 1 IV (he was dehydrated). I just got off the phone with mom and she said she is feeling much better. All she has taken for Covid is HCQ, Mucinex and 1 IV. They are both 83 with many health issues. They are both VERY tired and LOW energy. I think they will have low energy for awhile yet.

Keep an eye on them. Just don't let them get the vax if they haven't already. Digging up info as best I can, but a prominent family friend passed away this month who was mostly healthy. Overweight, not obese. About 72-73 I believe. Healthcare was never an issue, he had the money to pay the best for whatever needed to be done. I'm interested to find out if he got one of the vaccines.

I may never find out, but my tin foil hat has me going other directions. 50% of people have no wealth. The people with wealth are boomers, even if it's just 20% of them. But it's a lot of wealth. This guy was $100M plus. Besides the houses he was a normal guy if you saw him in the supermarket. I'm starting to think the younger tech wealthy are offing the older wealthy so people spend the money. Long shot theory, but part me thinks it makes sense. Kill off the old people that maybe travel to expensive hotels, houses and restaurants, and get that money back into the hands of people that will spend it across the economy beside recreation and housing. Would be a total liberal train of thought given the leanings of the younger tech giants.

Patrick says

The level of lying by the WHO is nothing short of criminal.

The WHO is the single greatest threat to public health on earth.

No, they're just f*k_ing stupid, having forgotten all their undergrad immunology coursework.

They are the organizational version of the following geniuses ...

Monica Gandhi MD, MPH
@MonicaGandhi9
18h
Since this is largest study of re-infection (albeit with the 3 week Pfizer vax which probably has lowest antibodies) and shows that natural immunity confers strong protection from re-infection (& 1 dose helps), US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports
12:01 PM · Aug 26, 2021

Patrick says

US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports

As if the passports have ANYTHING to do with the disease.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101/rr-0

Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? ...

In contrast to this collective data demonstrating both adequate and long-lasting protection in those who have recovered from COVID-19, the duration of vaccine-induced immunity is not fully known - but breakthrough infections in Israel, Iceland and in the US suggests a few months. Before CDC decided to stop collecting data on all breakthrough infections at the end of April, 2021, it reported >10,000 breakthrough infections (2 weeks after completion of vaccination) in the US, with a mortality of ~2% (6). Booster COVID vaccine recommendations have been already announced in Israel and in the US proving vaccine failure within 6 months.

How should we use the collective data to prioritize vaccination? These new data support simple and logical concepts. The goal of vaccination is to generate memory cells that can recognize SARS-CoV-2 and rapidly generate neutralizing antibodies that either prevent or mitigate both infection and transmission. Those who have survived COVID-19 must almost by definition have mounted an effective immune response; it is not surprising that the evolving literature shows that prior infection decreases vulnerability. In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-covid-natural-immunity/

09/14/21
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Vaccinating People Who Have Had COVID-19: Why Doesn’t Natural Immunity Count in the U.S.?
The CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine.

https://www.ntd.com/unvaccinated-brazilian-president-eats-pizza-on-nyc-sidewalk-defends-pandemic-decisions_679689.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Some are criticizing Bolsonaro for not being vaccinated and for not locking Brazil down during the pandemic. The country, with over 200 million people, has not seen a single major lockdown since the start of the pandemic.

In a recent interview, he explained his decision.

“I said we have two problems we have to face: the virus, which can kill, and also unemployment, which can also kill,” said Bolsonaro.

He says Brazil is a rather poor country, and if people don’t go to work, they can’t eat.

According to Johns Hopkins, Brazil has one of the highest numbers of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. But its neighbor Argentina has almost the same numbers—and Argentina has been under lockdowns ever since the pandemic started.

To deal with the dangers of COVID-19, Bolsonaro believes in early treatment for the virus.

“I have come to the conclusion, together with many doctors, that if used early, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin can help to prevent or cure COVID,” Bolsonaro said.

He added that his antibody levels remain high because he had the virus before, so he has no need to get the shot.

Bolsonaro is absolutely right that he has no need whatsoever to get the shot. Natural immunity is far better than that from the vaxx.

Bolsonaro must be a patnetter

There is no natural immunity!

All of us are dead, dead from the common cold, because our bodies failed to clear the infection years ago.

In effect, we're living in the '6th Sense' movie, we're dead but don't know it.

Where's Haley Joel Osment when we need him?

Patrick says

https://www.ntd.com/unvaccinated-brazilian-president-eats-pizza-on-nyc-sidewalk-defends-pandemic-decisions_679689.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Some are criticizing Bolsonaro for not being vaccinated and for not locking Brazil down during the pandemic. The country, with over 200 million people, has not seen a single major lockdown since the start of the pandemic.

In a recent interview, he explained his decision.

“I said we have two problems we have to face: the virus, which can kill, and also unemployment, which can also kill,” said Bolsonaro.

He says Brazil is a rather poor country, and if people don’t go to work, they can’t eat.

According to Joh...

What the hell took him and his Drs. so long to figure out they should start using HCQ and Ivermectin? Can we keep track of their Covid cases, deaths and hospitalizations now? Maybe they will have the same success as India?

Brazil is looking pretty good:



Anyone know if/when they started using ivermectin on the general public?

Ah, here it is:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified. ...

Further data supporting a role of ivermectin in decreasing transmission rates can be found from South American countries where, in retrospect, large “natural experiments” seem to have occurred. For instance, beginning as early as May, various regional health ministries and governmental authorities within Peru, Brazil, and Paraguay initiated “ivermectin distribution” campaigns to their citizen populations.48 In one such example from Brazil, the cities of Itajai, Macapa, and Natal distributed massive amounts of ivermectin doses to their city's population, where in the case of Natal, 1 million doses were distributed. The distribution campaign of Itajai began in mid-July, in Natal they began on June 30th, and in Macapa, the capital city of Amapa and others nearby, they incorporated ivermectin into their treatment protocols in late May after they were particularly hard hit in April. The data in Table ​Table11 were obtained from the official Brazilian government site and the national press consortium and show large decreases in case counts in the 3 cities soon after distribution began compared with their neighboring cities without such campaigns.

Patrick says

In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.

Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?

Onvacation says

Patrick says

In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.

Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?

You got big balls.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/MattWalshBlog/status/1442695304906694658#m

Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog
Sep 28
I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player? Is that why they should be compelled to inject something into their bodies?
3:38 AM · Sep 28, 2021

Onvacation says

Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?

I've heard that students actually do this.

Is it so unreasonable? For kids, the risk of any serious complication from Fauci Flu is lower than that of ordinary flu:

https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-08-21/politifact-check-desantis-says-covid-lower-risk-than-flu-for-kids

I would think the rates would again be similar for the college age crowd.

Patrick says

Matt Walsh:I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player?

To be clear, the Israeli study that definitively showed the superiority of natural immunity to the vaccines also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.

EBGuy says

Patrick says

Matt Walsh:I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player?

To be clear, the Israeli study that definitively showed the superiority of natural immunity to the vaccines also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.

That's bull since they just measure the antibodies which don't tell the whole story such as downregulation of innate immune responses and increase risk of ADE plus another immune trauma.The jab will make things much worse for the recovered. There isn't a single viral disease where vaccination is indicated following a full natural recovery

mell says

That's bull since they just measure the antibodies

No, from the the Israeli study (see PDF page 14):
In model 3, we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously infected and unvaccinated group.
I agree that we shouldn't be forcing folks who have natural immunity to get a jab, the fact of the matter is that it does accrue an additional benefit.

EBGuy says

mell says

That's bull since they just measure the antibodies

No, from the the Israeli study (see PDF page 14):
In model 3, we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously infected and unvaccinated group.
I agree that we shouldn't be forcing folks who have natural immunity to get a jab, the fact of the matter is that it does accrue an additional benefit.

So reinfection is determined by a positive pcr test? Apart from pcr being unreliable they don't detect illness just presence of viral frgaments. Many viruses that the body fought off during the acute phase don't fully vanish and occasionally reactivate, usually without symptoms. You can amp up the antibodies to avoid and detectable reinfection or reactivation but it doesn't mean it's a good thing for one's overall health. A mild reinfection is likely much healthier.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-natural-immunity-political-problem-regime

At this point, it would be embarrassing for the regime to admit what actual scientific inquiry has shown: that natural immunity is generally superior to receiving the vaccine. The regime doesn't like to be embarrassed, and neither do the countless doctors and nurses who have long toed the regime's political line. So expect more of the same.

https://babylonbee.com/news/scientists-reveal-the-true-immunity-was-inside-you-all-along

Scientists Reveal The True Immunity Was Inside You All Along

WORLD—People around the world are inspired as scientists recently revealed that the immunity we've all been searching so hard for was inside of us all along.

"If you've already recovered from COVID, you have a natural immunity that is more effective and longer-lasting than Pfizer's vaccine," said one Israeli scientist. "As it turns out, the very thing we desired with all our hearts was right in front of us the whole time, and we didn't even know it. Actually, inside of us. It's called the immune system. We totally forgot that was a thing."

Experts now believe no one took the time to notice the inner strength contained in their immune systems, because it was dorky and shy and wearing glasses and had its hair in a bun. Then one day, it took off its glasses and let down its hair and everyone realized natural immunity was actually super hot.

"For so long, I've looked for strength and confidence in the arms of Pfizer and Moderna," said local COVID survivor Matt Frunkle, "but now I realize I have everything I need, right here inside me," he said, pointing in the general direction of his primary lymphoid organs. "I've never felt so powerful."

A spokesperson from Pfizer responded by saying "You'll regret saying no to us! If we can't have you, no one will!"

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/joe-donlon-hooman-noorchashm-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-natural-immunity/?itm_term=home

10/08/21
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COVID › VIEWS

Biden’s Failure to Acknowledge Natural Immunity Is ‘Tearing This Country Apart’
In Thursday’s segment of the “The Donlon Report,” anchor Joe Donlon interviewed immunologist and public health advocate Dr. Hooman Noorchashm, who said President Biden’s COVID vaccine mandate policies ignore about 100 million Americans who are already immune.

https://rationalground.com/your-natural-immunity-cheat-sheet/

Quick references and tweet threads you can use in the debate of natural immunity vs. vaccines.

No money in natural immunity.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

No money in natural immunity.

Same reason pharma companies were part of the business consortium actively supporting and funding marijuana eradication efforts in the 80s and early 90s. Tobacco and alcohol interests were other big players.

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2021/10/natural-immunity-is-real-act-introduced-in-congress/

In an effort to get the U.S. government to recognize the value of natural immunity in providing effective protection against COVID-19, U.S. Representative Diana Harshbarger of Tennessee introduced the Natural Immunity Is Real Act in the House of Representatives on Oct. 18, 2021. The bill, H.R. 5590, requires U.S. federal agencies to take into account naturally acquired immunity from previous COVID infection when issuing any rules or regulations aimed at protecting from the disease.

Patrick says

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2021/10/natural-immunity-is-real-act-introduced-in-congress/

In an effort to get the U.S. government to recognize the value of natural immunity in providing effective protection against COVID-19, U.S. Representative Diana Harshbarger of Tennessee introduced the Natural Immunity Is Real Act in the House of Representatives on Oct. 18, 2021. The bill, H.R. 5590, requires U.S. federal agencies to take into account naturally acquired immunity from previous COVID infection when issuing any rules or regulations aimed at protecting from the disease.

Fucking donkeys won't let it pass.

Kinda crazy that we're still relying on the comedians to speak truth...
Comedian Bill Maher forced Democratic Delaware Sen. Chris Coons to admit that those with natural immunity to Covid-19 shouldn't be fired from their jobs for refusing to get vaccinated.
"The world recognizes natural immunity," Maher said during a Friday night "Real Time" panel discussion, which also included Atlantic staff writer Caitlin Flanagan. "We don't, because everything in this country has to go through the pharmaceutical companies. Natural immunity is the best kind of immunity. We shouldn't fire people who have natural immunity because they don't get the vaccine. We should hire them. Yes?"
"If someone tests as having antibodies, sure," Coons admitted.

EBGuy says

We shouldn't fire people who have natural immunity because they don't get the vaccine. We should hire them.

Excellent point.

People with natural immunity should be given priority in everything, especially if they are unvaxxed.