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Re The moon landing hoax(or the plausibility thereof)
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2021 Oct 21, 7:46am 961 views 61 comments
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Automan Empire
2021 Oct 21, 12:22pm
Automan Empire
2021 Oct 21, 12:22pm
Bd6r says
Responding to this and a similar comment upthread. There was much gain from going to the moon. The Apollo missions took us past a point of diminishing returns from RETURNING to the moon over and over. The moon is a harsh environment to maintain a life support system upon, on top of the expense of getting people and things there in the first place.
We haven't gone back to the moon because there's nothing for us to DO there.
There was no gain for US in going to Moon,
Responding to this and a similar comment upthread. There was much gain from going to the moon. The Apollo missions took us past a point of diminishing returns from RETURNING to the moon over and over. The moon is a harsh environment to maintain a life support system upon, on top of the expense of getting people and things there in the first place.
We haven't gone back to the moon because there's nothing for us to DO there.
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Bd6r
2021 Oct 21, 12:29pm
Bd6r
2021 Oct 21, 12:29pm
Automan Empire says
Moon landings surely advanced SCIENCE! and engineering but that part falls by the wayside in case of faked landings.
In principle though, all of the SCIENCE! and a lot of engineering could have been done without even leaving orbit of the Earth, but the funding would not have been there (it was available because Soviets needed to be beaten).
Responding to this and a similar comment upthread. There was much gain from going to the moon. The Apollo missions took us past a point of diminishing returns from RETURNING to the moon over and over. The moon is a harsh environment to maintain a life support system upon, on top of the expense of getting people and things there in the first place.
Moon landings surely advanced SCIENCE! and engineering but that part falls by the wayside in case of faked landings.
In principle though, all of the SCIENCE! and a lot of engineering could have been done without even leaving orbit of the Earth, but the funding would not have been there (it was available because Soviets needed to be beaten).
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AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 12:30pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 12:30pm
Competition, folks.
Nothing with stagnate things faster than the end of the nation state and one world government.
Nothing with stagnate things faster than the end of the nation state and one world government.
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Automan Empire
2021 Oct 21, 12:52pm
Automan Empire
2021 Oct 21, 12:52pm
Bd6r says
Even if faked, the actual work done did advance science and engineering. I was alive then, and yes, I drank the Tang.
Moon landings surely advanced SCIENCE! and engineering but that part falls by the wayside in case of faked landings.
Even if faked, the actual work done did advance science and engineering. I was alive then, and yes, I drank the Tang.
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Ceffer
2021 Oct 21, 1:16pm
Ceffer
2021 Oct 21, 1:16pm
LOL! Some of the far outs say that aliens use the Van Allen belts to sterilize the human race from space travel because we are too primitive and murderous. NASA may have sent something or somebody up there, but most certainly what we saw and heard was theater. The modules are apparently tin can crates when you see them in real life, barely suitable for earth purposes much less outer space.
The propaganda, as usual, was too important to be left to the coldness, uncertainty and terror of outer space. NASA's purpose was to advance rocket and weapons technology under cover of exploration, and to keep the American taxpayer on board paying for the enterprise. Since NASA hierarchy were ratlined Nazis, you really think they had any regard for the truth?
One of the first things that the Chinese rover did was analyze surface and rocks, and none of the spectrometer readings agreed with stuff from the US expeditions. Also, moon rocks and martian rocks can be obtained from snows and ice from Antarctica. That was one of the reasons that Werner Von Braun was so hot and bothered about Antarctica. Pick up preserved fragments that landed here, and claim you went there?
Particle accelerators can pepper earth rocks and make them appear to be micro meteorite impacted moon rocks.
The propaganda, as usual, was too important to be left to the coldness, uncertainty and terror of outer space. NASA's purpose was to advance rocket and weapons technology under cover of exploration, and to keep the American taxpayer on board paying for the enterprise. Since NASA hierarchy were ratlined Nazis, you really think they had any regard for the truth?
One of the first things that the Chinese rover did was analyze surface and rocks, and none of the spectrometer readings agreed with stuff from the US expeditions. Also, moon rocks and martian rocks can be obtained from snows and ice from Antarctica. That was one of the reasons that Werner Von Braun was so hot and bothered about Antarctica. Pick up preserved fragments that landed here, and claim you went there?
Particle accelerators can pepper earth rocks and make them appear to be micro meteorite impacted moon rocks.
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richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 1:21pm
richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 1:21pm
PerfectlyFlawed says
Says who?
You know it's easy to make a claim and have it travel. Ever hear something like:
"17 atheists didn't do 9/11, a bunch of religious people did"
? Because I coined that, and saw it multiple times when I was a harsh atheist. That traveled a bit and for years.
To say something has been "proved"? Mmm. I doubt it. Samples from the moon will be returned I think this year from a robotic pickup. If the mission hasn't been cancelled, I think it's a Chinese mission.
Tha so-called 'moon rocks' were analyzed & proven to be petrified wood.
Says who?
You know it's easy to make a claim and have it travel. Ever hear something like:
"17 atheists didn't do 9/11, a bunch of religious people did"
? Because I coined that, and saw it multiple times when I was a harsh atheist. That traveled a bit and for years.
To say something has been "proved"? Mmm. I doubt it. Samples from the moon will be returned I think this year from a robotic pickup. If the mission hasn't been cancelled, I think it's a Chinese mission.
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richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 1:22pm
richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 1:22pm
Ceffer says
Of course they aren't suitable for Earth purposes. They were designed to operate in low G, and the main consideration was their mass and doing the minimum to keep the crew alive.
The modules are apparently tin can crates when you see them in real life, barely suitable for earth purposes much less outer space.
Of course they aren't suitable for Earth purposes. They were designed to operate in low G, and the main consideration was their mass and doing the minimum to keep the crew alive.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2021 Oct 21, 2:01pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2021 Oct 21, 2:01pm
Bd6r says
Bd6r says
There's is a tie-in here, and another reason. During the 60's black ops assassinated a number of high profile people with zero repercussions. Late 50's was also when they started to funnel money away from the visible economy. So the Moon landing could be considered one of their earliest successful propaganda campaigns to distract Americans from just happened. It also provided a good source for money-laundering(NASA). According to Catherine Austin-Fitts, the lack of accountability for the 60's era assassinations really widened the gap between them and us(in their minds). There was incredible contempt for the average American after they so easily go away with murder.
Listen to that speech in Network again. There's no USSR, there's no America, there's just banks, and globalists loyal to no country.
There was no gain for US in going to Moon, other than to rub it in on Soviets who won the space race.
Bd6r says
The fact that international banks funded RSDSP in 1917 has little if any bearing on events in 1960's.
There's is a tie-in here, and another reason. During the 60's black ops assassinated a number of high profile people with zero repercussions. Late 50's was also when they started to funnel money away from the visible economy. So the Moon landing could be considered one of their earliest successful propaganda campaigns to distract Americans from just happened. It also provided a good source for money-laundering(NASA). According to Catherine Austin-Fitts, the lack of accountability for the 60's era assassinations really widened the gap between them and us(in their minds). There was incredible contempt for the average American after they so easily go away with murder.
Listen to that speech in Network again. There's no USSR, there's no America, there's just banks, and globalists loyal to no country.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2021 Oct 21, 2:04pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2021 Oct 21, 2:04pm
Bd6r says
I disagree that they don't like it. Think about the ending to Animal Farm. They just don't want the masses to know. Like you said, anything that gets them ahead of the "capitalists".
Same on other side - Communists don't like this fact either.
I disagree that they don't like it. Think about the ending to Animal Farm. They just don't want the masses to know. Like you said, anything that gets them ahead of the "capitalists".
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komputodo
2021 Oct 21, 2:36pm
komputodo
2021 Oct 21, 2:36pm
Tenpoundbass says
No doubt
but the defense that too many people would squeal and reveal the hoax, has been debunked.
No doubt
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HeadSet
2021 Oct 21, 2:45pm
HeadSet
2021 Oct 21, 2:45pm
mell says
Why? The US put Viking 1 on Mars in 1976 that send back panoramic pics.
I think almost as remarkable as manned moon landing was the Russians landing a remote control rover on the moon with video feed in 1970.
Why? The US put Viking 1 on Mars in 1976 that send back panoramic pics.
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komputodo
2021 Oct 21, 2:47pm
komputodo
2021 Oct 21, 2:47pm
clambo says
And here I thought anything can be faked...as long as the MSM is on your side
Rocks were retrieved which are different from anything found on earth; they can’t fake those.
And here I thought anything can be faked...as long as the MSM is on your side
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richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 2:48pm
richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 2:48pm
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Not too far off.. They had 2K of ram, and it was magnetic core memory and ran at 2 Mhz and was discrete chips using RTL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
It's ridiculously primitive compared to even a toy computer by 1990.
I think I read they had 5K of RAM, VIC-20 equivalent.
Not too far off.. They had 2K of ram, and it was magnetic core memory and ran at 2 Mhz and was discrete chips using RTL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
It's ridiculously primitive compared to even a toy computer by 1990.
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PerfectlyFlawed
2021 Oct 21, 2:51pm
PerfectlyFlawed
2021 Oct 21, 2:51pm
richwicks says
https://phys.org/news/2009-09-moon-fake.html
NASA = Naieve Americans Squandering Assets
Let's face it - nobody goes anywhere in those Bradford White water heaters..
PerfectlyFlawed saysTha so-called 'moon rocks' were analyzed & proven to be petrified wood.
Says who?
You know it's easy to make a claim and have it travel. Ever hear something like:
"17 atheists didn't do 9/11, a bunch of religious people did"
? Because I coined that, and saw it multiple times when I was a harsh atheist. That traveled a bit and for years.
To say something has been "proved"? Mmm. I doubt it. Samples from the moon will be returned I think this year from a robotic pickup. If the mission hasn't been cancelled, I think it's a Chinese mission.
https://phys.org/news/2009-09-moon-fake.html
NASA = Naieve Americans Squandering Assets
Let's face it - nobody goes anywhere in those Bradford White water heaters..
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HeadSet
2021 Oct 21, 2:52pm
HeadSet
2021 Oct 21, 2:52pm
Tenpoundbass says
Are referring to that one time Buzz punched that guy who was up in his face while Buzz and wife were out to dinner? That had more to do with the guy bothering him and wife rather than any moon landing stuff.
Another point, is the parallels between how Lefties today get violent to defend the narrative when it is questioned, is like how Aldrin, Armstrong and other Apollo Astronauts would coldcock someone that suggested the Moon landings weren't real. Rather than just laughing at them, shrugging your shoulder and say... "Well believe what you want to believe".
Which is how, most rational achievement reachers react to their doubters.
Are referring to that one time Buzz punched that guy who was up in his face while Buzz and wife were out to dinner? That had more to do with the guy bothering him and wife rather than any moon landing stuff.
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stereotomy
2021 Oct 21, 4:32pm
stereotomy
2021 Oct 21, 4:32pm
PerfectlyFlawed says
That's right. As we all know, moon "rocks" would be made out of cheese.
And the earth is flat, suspended on the back of a turtle. And, no, you smartypants, what's under the turtle? It's turtles all the way down.
clambo saysThe moon landing happened.
There are satellite pictures of stuff left there, e.g. cars and the portion of the landing modules.
Rocks were retrieved which are different from anything found on earth; they can’t fake those.
Tha so-called 'moon rocks' were analyzed & proven to be petrified wood. As for satellites - I think you mean satelloons (NASA is the biggest consumer of helium).
That's right. As we all know, moon "rocks" would be made out of cheese.
And the earth is flat, suspended on the back of a turtle. And, no, you smartypants, what's under the turtle? It's turtles all the way down.
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Ceffer
2021 Oct 21, 4:52pm
Ceffer
2021 Oct 21, 4:52pm
The 'petrified wood' was an alleged moon rock given to Holland. They kept it as an exhibet in a glass case. I gather some observers looked at it askance, so they opened and analyzed it and found out it was petrified wood. That is pretty funny. "Thanks for the fake moon rock."
"Moon rock at Dutch museum is just petrified wood" https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/moon-rock-at-dutch-museum-is-just-petrified-wood-1.788375
"Moon rock at Dutch museum is just petrified wood" https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/moon-rock-at-dutch-museum-is-just-petrified-wood-1.788375
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richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 5:06pm
richwicks
2021 Oct 21, 5:06pm
HeadSet says
As always, we don't know the fully story.
If he was constantly being harassed, I don't blame him. The guy that got punched out was actually quite recalcitrant and didn't even attempt to press charges. I think he was an intelligence asset.
There's a common propaganda technique, known as "poisoning the well" in terms of logic, or "kookification" in propaganda. What they do is attempt to frame people who are doubtful of government claims as people who are crazy who (claim) doubt that government is telling the truth when they say water is wet. It's an attempt to cast people who are in the mindset of, say, "I don't think these vaccines are useful, safe, or effective" into the same group who claim "the earth is flat". It's done to dismiss ANY opinion that questions the government. They attempt to make the divide between "either you agree with everything the government claims, or you agree with all these people making unsupportable claims the government ALSO claims are false". They're making a false dichotomy.
Are referring to that one time Buzz punched that guy who was up in his face while Buzz and wife were out to dinner? That had more to do with the guy bothering him and wife rather than any moon landing stuff.
As always, we don't know the fully story.
If he was constantly being harassed, I don't blame him. The guy that got punched out was actually quite recalcitrant and didn't even attempt to press charges. I think he was an intelligence asset.
There's a common propaganda technique, known as "poisoning the well" in terms of logic, or "kookification" in propaganda. What they do is attempt to frame people who are doubtful of government claims as people who are crazy who (claim) doubt that government is telling the truth when they say water is wet. It's an attempt to cast people who are in the mindset of, say, "I don't think these vaccines are useful, safe, or effective" into the same group who claim "the earth is flat". It's done to dismiss ANY opinion that questions the government. They attempt to make the divide between "either you agree with everything the government claims, or you agree with all these people making unsupportable claims the government ALSO claims are false". They're making a false dichotomy.
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AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 5:08pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 5:08pm
Ceffer says
Van Allen Belt is not a monolithic thing. It ebbs and flows and there are "gaps" in it easily mapped out with 1950s radio technology.
LOL! Some of the far outs say that aliens use the Van Allen belts to sterilize the human race from space travel because we are too primitive and murderous
Van Allen Belt is not a monolithic thing. It ebbs and flows and there are "gaps" in it easily mapped out with 1950s radio technology.
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AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 5:11pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 5:11pm
HeadSet says
And the Russians had the Venera probes that were the only landings on Venus. They are unlucky on Mars, but lucky on Venus. Until recently, we had the opposite issue.
The pressure on Venus is unbelievable - far more hostile than the Moon which is pretty much the same vacuum as the rest of space except for the most trace 'atmosphere. And the distance much further. If you can land a pressure resistant probe on Venus that can actually broadcast back to Earth, you can put men on the Moon and bring them back.
Why? The US put Viking 1 on Mars in 1976 that send back panoramic pics.
And the Russians had the Venera probes that were the only landings on Venus. They are unlucky on Mars, but lucky on Venus. Until recently, we had the opposite issue.
The pressure on Venus is unbelievable - far more hostile than the Moon which is pretty much the same vacuum as the rest of space except for the most trace 'atmosphere. And the distance much further. If you can land a pressure resistant probe on Venus that can actually broadcast back to Earth, you can put men on the Moon and bring them back.
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AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 5:13pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Oct 21, 5:13pm
Ceffer says
They have kilos and kilos of Moon rock and samples have been distributed to universities and some K-12 schools.
Pretty sure Russia and China have done sample returns from there as well. It would be trivial for somebody to compare them and detect an immediate difference. Oxygenated atmospheres change the lithosphere to an incredible degree.
The 'petrified wood' was an alleged moon rock given to Holland. They kept it as an exhibet in a glass case. I gather some observers looked at it askance, so they opened and analyzed it and found out it was petrified wood. That is pretty funny. "Thanks for the fake moon rock."
They have kilos and kilos of Moon rock and samples have been distributed to universities and some K-12 schools.
Pretty sure Russia and China have done sample returns from there as well. It would be trivial for somebody to compare them and detect an immediate difference. Oxygenated atmospheres change the lithosphere to an incredible degree.
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komputodo
2021 Oct 22, 9:21am
komputodo
2021 Oct 22, 9:21am
Has anyone heard of LUNAR METEORITES? Basically moonrocks here on earth.
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HeadSet
2021 Oct 22, 11:22am
HeadSet
2021 Oct 22, 11:22am
komputodo says
I never believed that nor the bit about Martian rocks here on Earth. To get here from Mars, something would have to knock a piece of Mars into escape velocity, then it would have to wander the incredible vastness of space between the planets and by chance hit Earth, then not burn up in re-entry.
Has anyone heard of LUNAR METEORITES? Basically moonrocks here on earth.
I never believed that nor the bit about Martian rocks here on Earth. To get here from Mars, something would have to knock a piece of Mars into escape velocity, then it would have to wander the incredible vastness of space between the planets and by chance hit Earth, then not burn up in re-entry.
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Tenpoundbass
2021 Oct 22, 11:59am
Tenpoundbass
2021 Oct 22, 11:59am
HeadSet says
Not only that, what sample would we compare it to?
It's a rock from Pulledofmyassafornia!
To get here from Mars, something would have to knock a piece of Mars into escape velocity,
Not only that, what sample would we compare it to?
It's a rock from Pulledofmyassafornia!
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Rin
2021 Oct 22, 12:33pm
Rin
2021 Oct 22, 12:33pm
HeadSet says
I think Viking was nearly a billion dollars in '76 dollars.
The US put Viking 1 on Mars in 1976 that send back panoramic pics.
I think Viking was nearly a billion dollars in '76 dollars.
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One of the biggest arguments against the Lunar hoax was always. "It's the Government, you can't have a hoax perpetuated on the level it takes to pull of a Moon landing, and expect everyone involved to keep quiet."
Well the Scamdemic has proven, that even if those in the government do speak out and blow the whistle. If they get fired and rebuked by the media, and ridiculed, the public will also label that person a disgruntled crackpot.
So the way every Establishment, Government, Agency and Media has gone lockstep to push the myriad of false narratives surrounding the Corona Virus, the masks, the wash your hands, the vax, the social distancing, the snuffing out hospital patients to claim they were Covid casualties. It all exposes the Moon landing hoax in great detail.
btw, I have also always maintained that even if the Moon landing was hoax, the technology we gained from the space program was invaluable. And in those times during the cold war, Americans would not have wanted tax trillions spent, on sending shit in space to race the Russians in an Orbit sprint.
I'm still at 50/50, but the defense that too many people would squeal and reveal the hoax, has been debunked.